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| Litos | Jul 5 2015, 10:37 PM Post #1 |
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Frank-Walter Steinmeier Foreign Minister Germany condemns the attack on European economies by the Russian govnermnet in imposing its new measures which restrict free trade, movements, and the proprieties of European citizens within Russia, with a destabilizing effect on the worldwide economy, bound to create a further collapse in commodity prices from which Russia will be a primary loser in the economic situation. We call for all parties and major economic powers to discuss restructuring vis a vis a resolution to the debt crisis n Ukraine and the recent Eastern European tensions which threaten the balance of currency and trade and will no doubt combine with previous events such as the worldwide rush to militarization to produce high inflation levels and economic catastrophe. We suggest an immediate ratification fo accords giving de facto autonomy to the separatists, unthinkable in the past, but necessary due to the sovereign default of Ukraine, and an aid package spearheaded by the EU and thus-far-languishing IMF to prevent a collapse of the Ukrainian financial system, with a corresponding normalization of Russo-EU relations and joint bond buying packages to signify good will. Edited by Litos, Jul 6 2015, 12:18 AM.
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| Longhorn | Jul 7 2015, 06:20 AM Post #31 |
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Timo Soini Finnish Foreign Minister Will this return Crimea to Ukraine? Or will territory continue to be stolen and ignored? |
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| Jos1311 | Jul 7 2015, 06:27 AM Post #32 |
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Finland: Domestic popularity: -2.00% International popularity: -5.00% Let this be a very stern warning that this absolutely does not fit into the manner how Finland portrays itself in international politics. Finland does not take such a non-constructive stance towards Moscow for a variety of reasons, why I will allow you to be more critical than IRL, I will not allow you to disrupt the realistic play that is being carried out. |
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| Eryk | Jul 7 2015, 11:54 AM Post #33 |
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Міністр закордонних справ України | Minister of Foreign Affairs As previously stated, unless the arms embargo encompasses absolutely all sides of the conflict, including the Russian Federation given the Kremlin's own admission that it has directly participated and launched an invasion of Ukraine, we see no reason to adhere to such lopsided preconditions. Ukraine has done nothing wrong and is most certainly not to blame for the current war. The responsibility rests squarely on Russian shoulders. |
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| Degen83 | Jul 7 2015, 06:15 PM Post #34 |
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Sergey Lavrov Minister of Foreign Affairs Russian Federation Mr Klimkin, there will be no arms embargo on Russia since it is not Russia who is fighting Kiev, but rather the separatists. We are willing to ensure no arms reach the separatists from the Russian border for the duration of this cease fire, if no arms find their way into Kiev's arsenal. No new arms into Ukraine for either side for this duration. But an arms embargo on Russia is out of the question. I trust the EU is watching to see just what types of hoops Kiev desires Russia to jump through in order to secure even negotiations, much less a peace. We have been more than reasonable here, and Kiev responds with unreasonable demands. If we did comply with such a ridiculous notion, what else would Kiev demand of us before they entered talks? And like it or not, the USA, Germany, and the world does need to recognize that Kiev re-started the conflict by tearing up the agreement and deploying forces to regions not under their de facto control. While Russia is willing to negotiate with Kiev to get a peace, and is willing to work with the European Union as well, we cannot ignore the actions Kiev has taken to restart and maintain this conflict for the past 2 years despite our numerous attempts to find a peaceful solution. Mr Soini, I find your tone amusing but your words bore me. Please take some time off, take some deep breaths, and come back when you are calmer. It appears right now as if you want to provoke a Russian response. Russia has no designs on Finland. Edited by Degen83, Jul 7 2015, 06:23 PM.
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| Rezim | Jul 7 2015, 06:28 PM Post #35 |
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![]() Colin Luther Powell Secretary of State for the United States of America Mr. Lavrov, you have just curtailed once again a legitimate chance at multiparty negotiations for the possibility of a peace in Ukraine. An Arms Embargo on Russia is effectively already in place by the European Union, Canada, and the United States. Such an arms embargo would only include other states to not send any equipment to any parties involved in the conflict for the duration of the negotiations. Considering Russia already has a self-sufficient arms industry, an arms embargo on Russia would not be a back-breaking condition to accept. Additionally, your insistence on twisting the truth of the matter regarding the agreement and the actions following its revocation is annoying at best and damaging at worst. As I have stated previously - did Ukraine repeal the Minsk Agreement? Yes. Did they launch an unprovoked attack against separatist forces in the Donbas? Absolutely not. Separatists backed by your government attacked the moment that the agreement was nullified, without even a second thought as to try and ensure a truce for continued peace. Naturally, the Ukrainian government and military responded by deploying to the region, but only after they were already attacked. If peace is to be established, the conditions have been set and it will be up to the Russian Federation on whether or not they wish to attend these negotiations and begin working towards a real peace. |
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| Eryk | Jul 7 2015, 06:34 PM Post #36 |
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Міністр закордонних справ України | Minister of Foreign Affairs The Russian representative keeps babbling nonsense - only he seems to believe what he is saying. The truth has been laid bare. The Verkhovna Rada refused to enact the Minsk Accords, and in response the separatists attacked Ukrainian servicemen in Donestsk Airport. Only then did Kiev order a military deployment back to the Donbass. We are prepared to release classified military documents to prove that so much is true, however impartial news sources have already confirmed our narrative. The reports from the front line by international journalists are not falsehoods conjured up on a whim. Russia cannot continuously spread the untruth and expect any sort of constructive attitude from our side. I don't quite understand how you can sit here yet again, and tell us that we are being ridiculous, when we ask you to adhere to the same standards which you ask us to adhere to. You wish for there to be an arms embargo on the Ukrainian state - fine, but by your own admission you are a combatant in this war. Russian soldiers have fought and constitute the majority of the manpower deployed by the 'separatists' which themselves are led by former Russian military men. Do not set up hoops for us to jump through in order to negotiate if you will not jump through them with us. You spoke of building trust, perhaps this is the time to begin rebuilding it by adhering to the same standards which you expect Kiev to follow. |
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| Degen83 | Jul 7 2015, 06:47 PM Post #37 |
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Sergey Lavrov Minister of Foreign Affairs Russian Federation Mr Powell, your repeating Kiev lies does not make them true. Kievs actions in December 2016 tore up the peace and it is Kiev who suddenly decided to reject the peace that was then in place. Your statements backing Kiev version of events are akin to your administration backing the words of the Saarkhsvili administration in Georgia when they attacked our peace keepers in 2008. Refusing to see the truth and adopting an anti Moscow stance that is utterly in defiance of the facts is your right, but expect for us to correct your lies. Russia will not accept an arms embargo placed on Russia for the duration of these talks. Have you noticed how Kiev is moving the goal posts every time Russia makes a reasonable offer? Their puppet masters in Washington backing their every move? Given Washingtons delusions and Kiev lies, this stands a very real change at derailing the talks before they even start. Russia is being the only reasonable party here. Our position will not remain thusly forever. Mr Klimkin, again you refuse to acknowledge how there was peace and then through Kiev's unilateral action Kiev broke the peace. Your refusal to see this, and Mr Powells blind obediance to the Kiev version of events is troubling and is absolutely not conducive to enter negotiations. One might accuse Washington of stalling this arms embargo so they could deploy or sell you additional arms for your fight and then stall peace once you use them to attack the separatists. I hope that is not what your game here is, because if that is the case than Moscows patience with the Kiev regime will be at an end. |
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| Eryk | Jul 7 2015, 07:35 PM Post #38 |
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Міністр закордонних справ України | Minister of Foreign Affairs I do not care for "Moscow's patience," or your version of events. The facts cannot be changed. Yes, the Verkhovna Rada refused to ratify the Minsk Accords. Whereas in the Kremlin's world of strong arm tactics, invading neighbors, and annexing the sovereign territory of other countries this may be akin to ending the peace, Ukraine was prepared to come back to renegotiate a new agreement which wouldn't infringe upon our rights as a sovereign state. There were also concerns regarding implementation of the agreement on the separatist side - all valid concerns and reasons to seek renegotiation. It was the separatists which attacked Ukrainian soldiers at Donetsk Airport after which the Ukrainian Armed Forces responded by reinforcing the area. If Kiev was responsible for an attack, such an attack would be part of an offensive. Instead we saw the exact opposite; we saw Ukrainian forces scrambling to defend Donetsk airport and other areas from Russian-supported terrorists which launched their offensive in response to the Ukrainian refusal to implement the Minsk Accords. Events on the ground even disprove your point, yet you continue to argue over this issue as if it is conducive to any negotiations. It is Moscow that set the goal posts. Ukraine has said previously - and continues to maintain this position - that we will negotiate without any preconditions. That means no arms embargo because we have violated no international laws, and have done no wrong to accept such an embargo. If Russia insists on an embargo, then we expect it to apply the same standard to itself as it applies to Ukraine given that it invaded Ukraine and is regarded by everyone as a belligerent party in this conflict. Ukraine, as a sovereign nation, has the right to eradicate terrorism within its land. We have a right to purchase weaponry if we so please because we have done nothing wrong. The parallels to Chechnya are quite great - except the fact that Chechnya was a home-grown rebellion with genuine aspirations, whereas the war in Donbass is a Russian creation with Russian military officers, Russian soldiers, and Russian military equipment. |
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| Degen83 | Jul 7 2015, 07:46 PM Post #39 |
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Sergey Lavrov Minister of Foreign Affairs Russian Federation Mr Klimkin, EU representatives, Mr Powell, Russia offered a Russia arms embargo on the separatists in Ukraine. Ukraine and USA respond with demanding an arms embargo on Russia. That is not acceptable. What good is peace talks when the Kiev government restructures its military and implements new weapons to attack the separatists under the guise of peace talks? What Kiev must realize is there is no goodwill between us, no goodwill or trust between the separatists and Kiev. If the flow of arms and Kiev's military maneuvers are not stopped for these talks, than Russia will appose to any such restrictions on the separatists for this duration. |
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| Eryk | Jul 7 2015, 08:29 PM Post #40 |
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Міністр закордонних справ України | Minister of Foreign Affairs And there, once more, Russia exposes its complete and utter lack of interest in preserving the integrity of Ukraine. Russia is a participant in the conflict. A majority of the forces of the so-called 'separatists' are not ethnic Ukrainians but Russians - Russian servicemen. Once again Russia is demanding that it either has its way or it will continue invading our country. We will not waver in the face of aggression. We will continue to defend our homeland from Russian-funded and executed terrorism, trying to force the Ukrainian people into submission! |
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