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| Litos | Jul 5 2015, 10:37 PM Post #1 |
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Frank-Walter Steinmeier Foreign Minister Germany condemns the attack on European economies by the Russian govnermnet in imposing its new measures which restrict free trade, movements, and the proprieties of European citizens within Russia, with a destabilizing effect on the worldwide economy, bound to create a further collapse in commodity prices from which Russia will be a primary loser in the economic situation. We call for all parties and major economic powers to discuss restructuring vis a vis a resolution to the debt crisis n Ukraine and the recent Eastern European tensions which threaten the balance of currency and trade and will no doubt combine with previous events such as the worldwide rush to militarization to produce high inflation levels and economic catastrophe. We suggest an immediate ratification fo accords giving de facto autonomy to the separatists, unthinkable in the past, but necessary due to the sovereign default of Ukraine, and an aid package spearheaded by the EU and thus-far-languishing IMF to prevent a collapse of the Ukrainian financial system, with a corresponding normalization of Russo-EU relations and joint bond buying packages to signify good will. Edited by Litos, Jul 6 2015, 12:18 AM.
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| Degen83 | Jul 7 2015, 08:34 PM Post #41 |
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Sergey Lavrov Minister of Foreign Affairs Russian Federation Russia began these talks with the goal of negotiating with Kiev to get peace. I can see Kiev is not interested at all in negotiating with Russia. I am at a loss how anyone can claim it is Russia stalling negotiations. Edited by Degen83, Jul 7 2015, 08:35 PM.
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| Sadar | Jul 7 2015, 10:13 PM Post #42 |
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France An arms embargo over Russia makes no sense. The arms embargo will be applicable over Ukraine entirely, including both parties and thus applicable to arms suppliers such as Russia. As per th debt issue, France does not forsee loosing any money from Ukraine and thus there are talks ongoing within the EU. As soon as a proposal is voted we will announce the solution that we propose. Edited by Sadar, Jul 7 2015, 10:13 PM.
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| Litos | Jul 8 2015, 12:28 AM Post #43 |
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Frank-Walter Steinmeier Foreign Minister AN arms embargo on the world's second most prominent arms supplier is a needless insult that will poison negotiations. We suggest no embargo at all since it's clear that many sides will cheat the agreement. We see no reason that Russia would move its troops out of separatist controlled areas of Ukraine simply because the Ukrainians had no more arms. If Russia truly stopped supporting the separatists, they would collapse in days. Conversely, Ukraine has its own arms industry. |
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| Eryk | Jul 8 2015, 09:02 AM Post #44 |
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Міністр закордонних справ України | Minister of Foreign Affairs Both countries have extensive arms industries. It is the principle of the matter, and something we will stick with. If the same is not going to apply to Russia when it applies to Ukraine, then we have begun with punishing the wrong country. It is Russia who invaded Ukraine - not the other way around. We are not going to have our strategic and military capabilities restricted because Russia is interested in strengthening the positions of the separatists - aka known as Russian troops - in the Donbass by weakening our ability to procure arms. We are a sovereign state which has broken no international laws which is fighting a Russian-created, backed, and fueled insurgency in a sector of our country. We have the right to procure arms. What Russia does not have a right to do is sell such arms and provide it to a rebellion it itself created our country's East. If we are going to be applying double standards and having the untruth prevail over the truth before negotiations begin, negotiations thereafter are doomed to failure. If Russia cannot bring itself to recognize the truth that the separatists reignited the war we see no possible agreement which can avoid that fact being addressed. |
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| Degen83 | Jul 8 2015, 10:11 AM Post #45 |
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Sergey Lavrov Minister of Foreign Affairs Russian Federation If the flow of arms is not restricted to Kiev then the flow of arms will not be restricted to the separatists. Kiev appears to have the precondition of only negotiating with others if they adhere to Kievs version of events. Kiev fails to realize is that when they tore up the Minsk accords they tore up the ceasefire at the same time because those deals were one and the same. We can either spend months debating this while you stall the peace process so you can attack Donbass, or you can drop your precondition and begin peace talks. Russia is willing, but we are growing impatient with Kiev and Washington stalling and then blaming Russia. |
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| Longhorn | Jul 8 2015, 10:30 AM Post #46 |
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Timo Soini Foreign Minister So long as Russia illegally occupies Crimea in violation of international law we will provide any and all weapons to Kiev that they want and there is nothing that Russia can do about it other than to withdraw from Crimea completely. |
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| Eryk | Jul 8 2015, 10:42 AM Post #47 |
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Міністр закордонних справ України | Minister of Foreign Affairs This is precisely the sort of conduct we have come to expect from Russia, which has become nothing short of an international pariah. You started a war, and you sought to tear our country apart. You failed because you expected us to lie down and not fight back. Now you want to insult us, and bring us down to the level of your terrorist clique staffed by active-duty Russian officers and soldiers? No, we will not accept the same restrictions which ought to be placed on this Russian-supported terrorist organization because we have done nothing wrong. We have broken no international laws, no treaties, no agreements. The same cannot be said for the Russian Federation and its illegal creation of a so-called 'separatist' movement which is nothing more than divisions upon divisions of Russian soldiers pretending to be native Ukrainians to achieve the wider geopolitical goals of the Kremlin. If Russia has no interest in following the rule of law, we have no reason to believe that it will adhere to any agreement reached. |
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| Longhorn | Jul 8 2015, 11:13 AM Post #48 |
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*Entire group of Finnish diplomats stand and applaud loudly* |
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| Degen83 | Jul 8 2015, 11:48 AM Post #49 |
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Sergey Lavrov Minister of Foreign Affairs Russian Federation And yet here Russia is, attempting to negotiate and it is Kiev who is refusing until we adhere to their preconditions. |
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| Eryk | Jul 8 2015, 11:52 AM Post #50 |
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Міністр закордонних справ України | Minister of Foreign Affairs We never set any preconditions, you did. Now you're threatening that unless those preconditions are met, you will continue with your invasion and provide more arms to your soldiers in the Donbass. You're not attempting to negotiate; you attempting to make it seem as if you're interested in any genuine compromise. If there was any sort of goodwill on the Russian side the Kremlin would solidify the current ceasefire, stop the flow of arms, and come to the table with the understanding that the separatists resumed the conflict. What sort of peace does Russia envision if the very foundation of it are based on lies? If this is the Russian goal, it is clear the Kremlin is not interested in peace at all. |
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