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| Situation with Venezuela and Guyana; Discussion | |
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| Maze | Jul 20 2015, 01:04 AM Post #1 |
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![]() Frans Timmermans Permanent Representative for the Netherlands to the United Nations The Netherlands, among many in the United Nations today, is very concerned about the situation between Venezuela and Guyana. While the Netherlands is not currently on the Security Council, it wishes to convey its' highest concern to the general assembly that the bickering and nonsense between these two countries must stop. The Netherlands has seen much recent aggression from South American countries, and would like to call on the general assembly for their opinions on the situation. |
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| Gabe | Jul 20 2015, 10:56 AM Post #11 |
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Antonio Patriota Permanent Representative of Brazil to the United Nations I've said it before and I'll say it again for those for who may be hard of hearing. Brazil was wrong to attack Uruguay and the President issued an official apology right after he was elected into office. Brazil is in the opening stages of talks with Uraguay for reconciliation. But none of that matters right now. What matters is Venezuela acting in a hostile manner to Guyana right after trying to take land from Brazil. After all for those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. |
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| Rezim | Jul 20 2015, 11:00 AM Post #12 |
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His Majesty King Carol I
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![]() Rosemary A. DiCarlo Permanent Representative to the United Nations United States of America It appears that while the Russian ambassador speaks some sense, he is still somewhat delusional. The United States is not working with Brazil in any capacity on this matter at this point, and was the first nation to call upon a UNSC resolution to place an arms embargo against Brazil following the invasion of Uruguay. The United States also put in place its own arms embargo on Brazil, something we do not recall Russia doing. While Ambassador Churkin may feel that this is some sort of contest as to who can score the most on talking points, the United States has no interest in such childish behavior in these chambers, and instead is focused on the task at hand. The United States agree's with our German, Dutch, and Canadian friends in this assembly regarding how to proceed in the future with regards to the matter of Venezuela's aggressive stance - both in terms of its rhetoric and its military actions. That said, we too do not support an arms embargo on Venezuela as no action has been taken against Guyana at this time, and there is a ceasefire in place between Brazilian and Venezuelan forces. While it is important to note that Venezuela has gone to the ICJ regarding its greivances with Guyana, it is even more important to note that Venezuela's demands of the ICJ are not only wholly unrealistic, but completely undiplomatic. The Venezuelan delegation was warned for its lack of decorum in those chambers, and I myself have tried to reason with the Venezuelan delegation on the matter. We will support arbitration between Guyana and Venezuela, but it appears that at least one party has no interest in negotiating in good faith. Until that is resolved, we fear that a solution to this issue may not come about. If anything is to be proposed, the United States would support a UNGA resolution that would call upon Venezuela to be a willing participant in negotiating in good faith, instead of attempting to rob and bully a smaller nation. If any delegates are interested in cooperating on a resolution that would call upon negotiations and arbitration to solve the matter between Venezuela and Guyana, the United States would be supportive of such action. |
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| Degen83 | Jul 20 2015, 11:09 AM Post #13 |
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Vitaly Churkin Permanent Representative to the United Nations Russian Federation Ms DiCarlo, Russia has ended all military cooperation with Brasil including joint projects, and there is currently an economic embargo between Brasil and Russia. You are mistaken that Russia has not taken actions against Brasil to show our displeasure. While there may not be an official arms embargo on Brasil from Russia, there is a de facto one. Brasil is not receiving any Russian military assistance, any spare parts, any assistance, or any military units or munition from Russia until relations are normalized. That is a de facto arms embargo even though we did not call it as such. I could agree to a UNGA resolution for Venezuela to negotiate with Guyana in good faith to diplomatically resolve their differences, however I do not see this situation to be one in a vacuum. Brasils initial invasion of Uruguay played a large role in setting the tone here in South America, and I would much rather support a resolution dealing with Brasil, Uruguay, Venezuela, and Guyana all at once to restore a sense of normalcy to the region, rather than have the UNGA or UNSC pick sides and which conflict to act upon. Mr Patriota, you say your countries actions were under the previous leadership and you should not be held responsible for them. However in talks with the Russian government you are not prepared or willing to extend us the same curtesy of even restoring relations. You continue to hold us responsible, every one of us, with your anti Russian vendetta. How can you preach that you should be held blameless when your government places blame on foreign governments and continues to hold the blame despite attempts at reconcialation? Until your war with Uruguay and Venezuela is resolved, that continues to set the tone in South America for further military conflict. I propose we work together, the UNSC and UNGA, to resolve the Brasil/Uruguay war, the Brasil/Venezuela war, and the Venezuela/Uruguay conflict. Leaving any one of these unresolved will lead to it continually being a focal point for renewed agression and hostilties at a later date. |
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| Koning | Jul 20 2015, 11:32 AM Post #14 |
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Uche Joy Ogwu Permanent Representative of the Federal Republic of Nigeria to the United Nations Actually this entire discussion is turning the United Nations General Assembly into a farce with the Eastern and Western blocs sparring over minutia for the sake of appearances. Nigeria desires to see this entire matter tabled and so moves for the matter to be tabled. |
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| Gabe | Jul 20 2015, 11:35 AM Post #15 |
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Antonio Patriota Permanent Representative of Brazil to the United Nations Brazil seeks not to normalize it's relations with Russia for many reasons. First and foremost after the new President was elected he went through all communication with Russia and found that the real reason Russia pulled its support of Brazil is because Brazil withdrew from Uruguay! Russia has done nothing more then work towards destabilizing South America and we will not hold official diplomatic ties to a nation that has destabilizing South America in mind. The embargo against Russia will stand. |
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| Balampalampam | Jul 20 2015, 11:38 AM Post #16 |
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Yashar Aliyev Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary from Azerbaijan to the UN We agree with Nigeria that this has gone on far too long and we second the motion to table this discussion. |
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| Koning | Jul 20 2015, 11:41 AM Post #17 |
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Uche Joy Ogwu Permanent Representative of the Federal Republic of Nigeria to the United Nations With a second I believe it is up for a vote of all nations in the General Assembly as to whether or not the matter should be tabled. Edited by Koning, Jul 20 2015, 11:44 AM.
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| Rezim | Jul 20 2015, 12:54 PM Post #18 |
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His Majesty King Carol I
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![]() Rosemary A. DiCarlo Permanent Representative to the United Nations United States of America We find it amusing at how a de facto arms embargo should be treated as the same as an official one with regards to one state but not another. Interesting indeed. That said, we would be willing to cooperate with the Russian delegation on composing a resolution on the matter, and do not support tabling of this discussion. Just because it is not about the Nagorno-Karabakh issue does not mean that this discussion should be tabled; if you do not like it, do not participate and do not attempt to prevent discussion on the matter. |
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| Maze | Jul 20 2015, 01:00 PM Post #19 |
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Frans Timmermans Permanent Representative for the Netherlands to the United Nations The Netherlands does not support this motion; and would like to include the message that this topic was brought up to discuss the situation between Venezuela and Guyana, which is the original purpose. This is not something we believe the United Nations should shelve. The Netherlands urges the General Assembly to allow freedom of discussion on this topic, and not to shelve it away like the Ambassadors from Nigeria and Azerbaijan seem to want to do. In addition, the Netherlands agrees with the United States', Canadian, and German ambassadors in that an arms embargo should only be placed if at all necessary to protect South America, and as a last resort. Finally, we will quote from the Russian Ambassador, "I propose we work together, the United Nations Security Council and United Nations General Assembly, to resolve the Brasil/Uruguay war, the Brasil/Venezuela war, and the Venezuela/Uruguay conflict. Leaving any one of these unresolved will lead to it continually being a focal point for renewed agression and hostilties at a later date.". If we do not solve this now, we will never solve these issues, but please understand this topic is only about Venezuela & Guyana. Edited by Maze, Jul 20 2015, 01:03 PM.
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| Degen83 | Jul 20 2015, 01:28 PM Post #20 |
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Vitaly Churkin Permanent Representative to the United Nations Russian Federation Russia does not support shelving this issue. There has been too much shelving of issues, like when we shelved the issue of the Brasil/Venezuelan war and the Brasil/Uruguay war. Now look at South America, yet another crisis looms because none of the prior ones in the past year have been resolved. Mr Patriota, the Russian position on the Brasil/Uruguay war is that it was a mistake. Russia is prepared to work with the USA, the EU, and other governments to achieve peace in South America. But the path to peace is not to issue a one sided decree against only one party who has performed actions to destabilize the region. Brasil must be held accountable for their part in this as well. We cannot only point our fingers at Venezuela. Brasil has played a major part in destabilizing the region. Brasil's actions will need to be addressed, if not now, then soon, before a lasting peace can be found. |
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