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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 8 2016, 04:38 AM (372 Views) | |
| merlins | Jun 8 2016, 04:38 AM Post #1 |
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Mustafa Khalil Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Arab Republic of Egypt The Non-Aligned Movement is risking losing relevance if it is to continue a policy of disinterest in global matters. We would like to point out on the stalemate in regard to Libya’s invasion of Chad. An unprovoked aggression. It is matters like these that require the immediate reaction of the Non-Aligned Movement to ensure that the principles of the United Nations Charter are being upheld and that our members do not become trapped in great power struggles. |
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| Eryk | Jun 11 2016, 08:55 AM Post #11 |
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Ali Akbar Velayati Minister of Foreign Affairs Islamic Republic of Iran The Pakistani Foreign Ministry never ceases to amaze. It is Iran that trivializes Muslim life because we acknowledge that under international law the Soviet Army is legally present in Afghanistan. But when Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and other Arab and Sunni Muslim states - including Libya - support the illegal invasion of Iran and continued Iraqi aggression, that is not a trivialization of Muslim life. When Iraq floods two major cities and causes a million Muslim men, women, and children to lose their homes and all of their possessions, that is not a trivialization of Muslim life because of course, according to you, they are not the right kind of Muslim. I gave you too much credit Mr. Shahi. There is no consistency, just Pakistani acquiescence to being the propaganda mouth of the Sunni onslaught against Iran. We find absolutely no reason to reward Libyan aggression through any demilitarized zones which compel only Chad to provide territory towards such zones. We welcome the French intervention on behalf of Chad, and hope that the conflict is brought to a swift end. |
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| Capo | Jun 11 2016, 09:24 AM Post #12 |
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Agha Shahi Minister of Foreign Affairs The Government of Pakistan International law is not something the Iranian delegation has expressed an explicit understanding of, given their support for the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan, which was post-facto justified by the installed government of the terrorist Karmal only after Soviet forces murdered President Amin, himself a coupist responsible for the overthrow of the legitimate government of Afghanistan years prior. Of course, Iran's support for insurgency in virtually all of its neighbors, including the al Zulfiqar movement in Pakistan, and Iran's responsibility for last year's embassy attack in Islamabad, calls into question whether your regime understanding of any form of law, morality, or common decency. |
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| Eryk | Jun 11 2016, 04:06 PM Post #13 |
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Ali Akbar Velayati Minister of Foreign Affairs Islamic Republic of Iran The Pakistani Foreign Minister is throwing stones in a glass house. Would you care to inform the entirety of the Non-Aligned Movement of the extensive infiltration attempts that Islamabad has undertaken in an attempt to undermine the Islamic Republic? We are amused at the muteness of Mr Shahi when Iraqi war crimes are mentioned - now that even the United Nations is indicating that Iraq is utilizing weapons of mass destruction against Iranian defenders in its illegal attempt to conquer Khuzestan he still cannot bring himself to at least complete silence at the matter. You have no doubt chosen your side. You have chosen to associate yourself with a state that has actively and repeatedly engaged in criminal activity of the sort that the international community was supposed to have said "never again" to in 1945. |
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| Capo | Jun 11 2016, 06:06 PM Post #14 |
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Agha Shahi Minister of Foreign Affairs The Government of Pakistan If Iraq is using chemical weapons - something which the United Nations will investigate, I'm certain - they do so in violation of international law, and at such a time we would support, as we hope any decent nation would, appropriate sanctions aimed at securing the destruction of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons stockpiles, should they exist. If the reports are true, the people of Iran have our greatest sympathy, and we hope that international action can be levied to bring an end to the use of these weapons. At the same time, Iraq's use of chemical weapons does not invalidate earlier Iraqi claims of Iranian aggression, and cannot justify, post-facto, Iranian aggression against Iraq, which Pakistan believes to be the root cause of this conflict. As for allegations of Pakistani "infiltration" of the Islamic Republic of Iran: yes, Pakistan has engaged in clandestine activity, including the use of intelligence assets within Iran's sovereign territorial borders, as a response to Iran's collaboration with the al Zulfiqar terrorist group, which led to the December 1979 attack on the American embassy in Islamabad. In response to Khomeni's alleigance with domestic terrorists in Pakistan, the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence has undertaken every endeavor to ensure that, should Iranian belligerence threaten Pakistan again, we are able to receive warning and appropriately counteract it. This activity is not particularly uncommon or controversial, and we will not be forced to apologize for defending the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Pakistan against Khomeni and the vicious gang of thugs he calls a government. Furthermore, it is wholly a response to previous Iranian meddling in Pakistan, which connects nicely with your statement on "glass houses," Minister. |
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| Eryk | Jun 11 2016, 07:22 PM Post #15 |
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Ali Akbar Velayati Minister of Foreign Affairs Islamic Republic of Iran We have our reservations regarding the functionality of the United Nations when it is filled with states that have the same attitude as Pakistan. The points indicating that Pakistan is willing to, and essentially does, support of the killing of Shia Muslims because they are of a different sect go unrefuted. Islamabad condemns Soviet actions in Afghanistan, yet willingly collaborates first with Iraqi attempts to destabilize the Islamic Republic, and then continues to lend moral - and perhaps even continuous clandestine and material support - when the crazed Baghdad regime seeks to realize its territorial ambitions. There was never any Iranian aggression against Iraq. That much has been recognized by at least some nations in this organization. For all the proof-seeking and investigative proposals which Islamabad preaches, it has settled on simply accepting the narrative of the Baghdad regime. Why? Pakistan continues to infect this organization's integrity with its contradictory and nonsensical approaches to crisis handling. Libya requires "further investigation," to confirm what in fact occurred on the Libyan-Chadian border, but Iran is "absolutely" responsible for any and all conflict with Iraq. Please, save us all your foolishness. As for Pakistani attempts to destabilize Iran, we are quite glad to see your admission on illegal attempts to support and fund counter-revolutionary activities throughout Iran. Of course, the only problem in your narrative is that Iran has absolutely no relation to Al-Zulfiqar. Iran's relation to the 1979 US embassy disaster is only thus; that Grand Ayatollah and Supreme Leader Khomeini declared his belief that the United States was responsible for terrorist attack in Mecca. The extent to which this had any impact on Pakistan's fragile domestic situation will never be known, but blaming Iran for a spontaneous local reaction is ridiculous. You ought to find a better cover story for your cooperation with the Baghdad regime, Mr Shahi, because this one isn't good enough. |
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| Capo | Jun 11 2016, 08:32 PM Post #16 |
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Agha Shahi Minister of Foreign Affairs The Government of Pakistan An interesting narrative, but one which ultimately lacks any real truth. Pakistan is home to one of the world's largest Shi'a Muslim populations; Pakistan's founder, Muhammed Ali Jinnah, was a Shi'ite. Claiming that Pakistan supports the eradication of Shi'a, or any Muslim sect, is so facially absurd that it makes me question whether or not you're even sober, Mr. Velayti. Instead, Pakistan has stood by Iraq in the face of documented Iranian aggression along the border; Iran has failed to present any form of meaningful evidence to back their narrative, while Iraq has been open and transparent with Pakistan and the rest of the international community regarding the status of their forces along the border. What you ask us to believe is that a regime which has openly called for revolution in every single one of its Muslim neighbors committed virtually no acts of aggression, when documented acts of aggression against Pakistan exist. The base nature of your diplomatic posture regarding the Iraq conflict is offensive in such that it treats the international community like children or fools, and your continued diplomatic belligerence against Pakistan undermines your repeated appeals to victimhood. What is fact, however, is that captured members of al-Zulfiqar taken into custody following the embassy attack have confessed involvement with Khomenist factions, specifically, high ranking members of the Iranian Hezbollahi militia, which we believe to have been carried out on the explicit orders of Ayatollah Khomeni. No amount of whitewashing can delete this from our memory, and continued denial only further cements in our mind the view of Khomeni as a radical terrorist rather than an Islamic revolutionary. |
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| Litos | Jun 11 2016, 09:20 PM Post #17 |
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Sa'dun Hammadi Minister of Foreign Affairs It should be noted that the attack on Iraq is video recorded fact before the outbreak of large scale hostilities and while Iran said they had evidence to prove it was not the case, nothing has been released. Iran has attacked tankers, lost ground, scuttled one peace initiative after another, and it is clear from the horde it amasses to charge our lines that Iran is the aggressor party in this war. Furthermore, proven documents indicate Iran plans a genocide of Arabs and any and all Sunni muslims in its borders by the year 1985, stopped only by our intervention for humanitarian purposes. Iran has already prepared mustard gas, as well as 200 tons of Zyklon-B for this purpose, and 2,000 km of barbed wire fencing purchased in December of 1980. Once our intelligence services found out about this plan, we immediately acted upon the information and considered the possibility of humanitarian intervention to save millions. The Iranian operation, codenamed Operation Ramadan, was to be carried out regardless of circumstances. Iraq calls for a peaceful resolution to this conflict, but urges Iran not to derail this conversation with its long-winded allegations of Pakistani-Iraqi conspiracy. We suggest international tribunals be given authority to mediate over disputed territories. Edited by Litos, Jun 11 2016, 09:21 PM.
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| Capo | Jun 11 2016, 09:58 PM Post #18 |
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Agha Shahi Minister of Foreign Affairs The Government of Pakistan The allegations levied by Iraq are truly troubling; not since Hitler has the world know such a dastardly and evil plot, one that makes sense given Iran's actions to date and expressed preferences regarding Sunni Muslims in Afghanistan vis a vis their eradication by the Soviets. |
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| Eryk | Jun 12 2016, 06:35 AM Post #19 |
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Ali Akbar Velayati Minister of Foreign Affairs Islamic Republic of Iran Iraq claims documentation, yet no documentation has been released by the Iraqi side or analyzed by neutral parties. All that has occurred is that the Baghdad regime has claimed it has proof of Iranian aggression, without in fact having such proof. We find continuous allegations of Iranian aggression laughable. If Iran was the aggressor, why is it Iraq that has fully mobilized for war? Why does Iraq continue to carry out offensive attacks against Iranian military and civilian installations, and attempt continuous economic sabotage? Why does it deliberetly stage false-flag incidents by attacking Kuwaiti shipment in order to then attempt to accuse Tehran of doing so? Most importantly, if Iran was planning any sort of invasion, where were the troops? Iraq has penetrated tens of kilometers into Iranian territory precisely because there was no mobilization or call for war up until now. The Baghdad and Islamabad puppets expose their own plot themselves. If Iran had any such plans for its Sunni population, why was this not mentioned initially when Iraq illegally attacked and invaded Iranian territory? The excuse then was that Iran had supposedly bombarded Basrah with phantom artillery guns. Now it is that it is a humanitarian invasion consisting of flooding a million people out of their homes and killing fellow Muslims, including many patriotic Iranian Arabs that have opposed the invasion from its onset. What so you to those clear facts? If the excuse changes by the day, it is clear this is not a war of defense but a series of lies and false flag incidents concocted to justify blatant aggression and Iraqi attempts to annex Khuzestan. Indeed, it is the Iraqi regime that prepared chemical weapons deployment, and whose use was confirmed by United Nations operatives in the area. Believe us when we say that if we had chemical weapons, we would not be using them against our own troops but the Arab horde that has come to rape and pillage. It is a well documented fact that Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a Sunni Muslim, and the entirety of the Pakistani state is based on the oppression and destruction of the Shia Muslim conscious. Pakistan, through its terrorist proxies in Afghanistan, has itself committed crimes against humanity through mass executions of Shiite villages which refused allegiance to Islamabad but instead sought an independent Afghanistan free of Soviet and Pakistani influence. Whatever fabrications you have fooled yourself into believing is your prerogative. The facts are unambiguous in that the Supreme Leader had no influence over the actions of Pakistani civilians. If you still cannot control your own country, perhaps you should turn the remainder of the Pakistani rump state over to India for administration too. East Pakistan seems to be doing quite well without murderous tyrants. |
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| Capo | Jun 12 2016, 07:03 AM Post #20 |
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Agha Shahi Minister of Foreign Affairs The Government of Pakistan This is the first we've heard of Iranian plans for genocide; to accuse us of attempting to manufacture them is, like most of what you've said in these chambers to date, facially absurd. However, given the totality of extant evidence and the sum of Iran's behavior in the last two years, these allegations are at the very least plausible, and a cause for concern, especially given the strong ties between Iranian and Pakistani Baloch communities. If Iran carries out its genocide, family and friends of Pakistani Baloch would likely suffer the same fate as the Khuzestan Arab; this is not something we are willing to accept, Mr. Velayti. Reports of concentration camps run by Iran or it's paramilitary militias in Sistan and Baluchistan represents a red line which will ensure a Pakistani response, and we will do whatever it takes to safeguard the lives and livelihood of Iran's Baloch, as we do Pakistan's. Furthermore, Mr. Velyati lies concerning the religious affiliation of Mr. Jinnah, who was a well-documented Twelver Shi'a; in fact, after Mr. Jinnah's unfortunate passing, his sister Fatima filed the appropriate legal documents necessary for his properties to be dispensed according to Shi'a tradition - these documents are still on file in Karachi and are available to anyone, including Iranian clandestine agents, free of charge should they make the visit and fill out the appropriate requisition forms. Shi'a are disproportionately represented within Pakistan's political and economic elite compared to their share of the general population, making up the majority of the Pakistan People's Party and having supplied numerous Presidents and Prime Ministers to Pakistan, despite consisting of less than a quarter of her people. The claim that Shi'a in Pakistan face any form of discrimination is simply untrue, and an attempt to establish groundwork by Iran for an attempt at a coup or revolution, likely aimed at installing fellow Twelver Shi'a radicals from the al Zufliqar faction in power. As for al Zulfiqar, the Iranian delegate, if you can call a skin-sack of lies, vitriol, and bile a "delegate" in the traditional sense of the term, claims that the Ayatollah has no sway over Pakistan's civilians, but the embassy attack was not carried out by a civilian mob in Pakistan, but was instead carefully coordinated terrorist activity carried out by clandestine actors funded and supported by Iran and other foreign powers. Had Iran not actively engaged in the export of terrorism starting the moment the Shah was overthrown, no crowd would have been assembled, as Iranian agents and saboteurs would not have been present in Pakistan and therefore would have been incapable of assembling al Zulfiqar's forces for the attack. It's really a simple concept, though perhaps it's unsurprising that an illiterate Khomenist might be unable to grasp it, so I'll try to rephrase it in relatively small word: Iranian militia gives terrorists money, guns, and orders - terrorists use money and guns to carry out orders. At no stage does the Pakistani general public become involved, until they fall under attack by Iranian-backed insurgents. Lastly we see that, much like India in earlier months, Iran has taken to repeating verbatim the propaganda released by Moscow, used to justify their poor performance against the mujahideen of Afghanistan. I am not certain why the Soviet Union believes it can fool the international community into believing that Pakistani troops are in Afghanistan, but the Soviet's continued presence in Afghanistan discredits that claim; if the Pakistani military were involved, the Soviets would have been forced to withdraw by now. Since they're still in Afghanistan, committing mass murder of those that Iran is just as happy to see dead, given that it fits within their larger, revealed plans. Lastly, the United Nations has confirmed that chemical weapons has been used, not which side used them. Until such a time that the United Nations' investigation is complete, Pakistan is compelled to believe that Iran used the gas in an attempt to rally international support for their cause. If this is not the case, and Iraq was responsible for the use of weapons of mass destruction, appropriate international action must be taken in response. However, should this indeed be a false flag operation by Iran, what little international prestige the country has will dissipate, and at that time, Pakistan will call for Iran's immediate suspension within the Non Aligned Movement. |
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