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| Pjgg78 | Feb 18 2013, 02:04 PM Post #1 |
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![]() I would like to personally welcome Mr. Raul Castro and the Cuban Delegation to Brazil and the city of Rio de Janeiro, it is with great pleasure that we host this meeting. It is our hope that in this meeting we can discuss matters of mutual benefits to both our nations in such areas as trade and security and increase bilateral trade, aid and cooperation in the aforementioned areas between Brazil and Cuba. We also hope that the spirit of mutual aid, cooperation and solidarity that both our governments are aiming to achieve through this meeting at a bilateral level may be achieved at a wider multilateral level in Latin America in the future. |
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| Pjgg78 | Feb 21 2013, 11:55 AM Post #11 |
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The idea is not to scrap the original design, the idea is just to modify or make whatever necessary updates to the design to bring it up to current MBT standards, like an updated gun, updated gun turret, updated secondary armament, updated armor, updated engine and transmission and updated sensors. The best world MBT's like the Israeli Merkava series, the US Abrams series and the German Leopard series are designs from the late 70´s or early 80's modified and upgraded as needed, that would be the idea to apply to the EE-T1 Osorio design. If more nations are in fact interested in the project it would definately make the project even more viable. We would welcome those battalions to receive the Jungle Warfare Training Course here in Brazil if want. |
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| Patria O Muerte | Feb 21 2013, 01:49 PM Post #12 |
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From our sources in the vehicle's history, we determined that engesa spent a mere $50,000,000 in overall development, it was also reported from their internal sources that the Osorio cost merely $1.2m to produce, this is a huge advantage to grow the project on. The modernization programme would be more expensive then this of course, but most of the tank's design is complete of course, it is merely now determinant on sourcing systems that are outdated. Cuba would be willing to contribute between $20-50m. Our one stipulation would be that no American components be used so as to evade the embargo. NATO allies should also be vetted if it would be permissible to export these vehicles to Cuba, even though they use European components. |
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| Pjgg78 | Feb 23 2013, 09:02 AM Post #13 |
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The current specifications for the Osorio only include German technology nothing American. |
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| Patria O Muerte | Feb 23 2013, 03:00 PM Post #14 |
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Then we agree in principle to begin serious co-operation on this contract. For now though the Cuban MGR, which has received a lot of attention from the FAR budget this year with a current generation corvette from Russia would like to inquire if the Brazilian navy is looking to retire any ships soon? Our main fleet is too small to properly patrol our expansive coast against new narco-trafficking submarines, and we would be interested in looking into green water ships of an ASW role. |
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| Pjgg78 | Feb 23 2013, 03:25 PM Post #15 |
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We will retire our current 10 frigates and replace them for more modern ships that will play the role of escorts of the 2 future aircraft carriers, it will however only happen in a few years and not in a short term. |
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| Patria O Muerte | Feb 23 2013, 07:03 PM Post #16 |
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The Republic of Cuba would be extremely interested in acquiring several of these such vessels, as we wish to expand our capacity to contribute to planned ALBA led initiatives on anti-narco trafficking in the Caribbean and the Pacific oceans; whilst also giving us a greater capacity to aid the world in UN anti-piracy missions. While we understand your naval procurement plans will take several years, we could perhaps begin familiarizing Cuban sailors with these ships by hosting joint training exercises with Cuban crews under Brazilian instructors.
Edited by Patria O Muerte, Feb 23 2013, 07:15 PM.
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| Pjgg78 | Feb 24 2013, 08:05 AM Post #17 |
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We see no problem with that option, we can arrange for such an exchange to happen in the near future, in fact in the very first joint exercise that Brazil joins. |
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| Patria O Muerte | Feb 24 2013, 11:57 AM Post #18 |
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Has the government of Brazil given any thought on how to best implement our ethanol endeavor? |
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| Pjgg78 | Feb 24 2013, 02:03 PM Post #19 |
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First things first we have to evaluate Cuba's available arable land area, calculate the productive capacity of sugar cane and if it is enough to meet Cuba's ethanol needs. If it is enough for Cuban needs and exceeds it we believe that for the initial phase we should plan its size for a production capacity that meets the needs of Cuba alone and expand to meet increasing demand on that level only. In the future if more nations show interest in joining the project or in introducing ethanol into their fuel then we would plan on expanding the production capacity according to the increase in demand. |
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| Pjgg78 | Mar 10 2013, 06:41 AM Post #20 |
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Are there any other matters that the Cuban delegation would like to discuss? |
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