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| Monica | Feb 24 2013, 08:21 PM Post #1 |
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![]() María Perceval Permanent Representative of Argentina to the United Nations Mr. President, Fellow Representatives ; I have come before you again at the request of my government to speak on a Issue that has continued to serve as a Issue of instability for Argentina's International Relations as well as a Issue that has served to hurt stability and relations regionally. A dispute that has so far cost thousands of lives and was responsible for costly war. The Issue of Las Malvinas or known as the Falkland Islands to the government in London, has continued to dog bilateral relations between Argentina and the United Kingdom. This dispute represents not only a territorial claim by Argentina but a Issue that continues to exist in a Modern world which has no more place for it. In a modern world & society which has broken free from the shackles of colonialism this Issue stands as a sore thumb in the path for a truly equal world where colonialism no longer exist. We have continued to reach out to the government in London time and time again, we have been rejected by a government which has refused to even view the Issue. To forcefully evict a indigenous population only to colonize a land with ones own population is a most serious crime in violation of International law which this Organization has time and time again passed. My government has vowed not to use military force in this conflict and we continue to stand by this ideal, a return of rightful Argentine territory can be achieved through peaceful means. However; I ask that this community of nations which stands for International peace and cooperation join me in a International call to London that sends a clear message we demand a end to the unjust policy of colonialism. Join me in urging the United Kingdom to come to the negotiations that will allow for relations to Improve and begin the steps needed for a peaceful dialogue. I yield. Edited by Monica, Feb 24 2013, 08:22 PM.
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| PolishPrince | Feb 26 2013, 02:47 AM Post #21 |
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Sir Mark Lyall Grant.Permanent Representative to the United Nations - - - I appreciate that Argentina is a fan of rewriting history to meet her own ends. The Islands experienced a turbulent colonisation period that lasted approximately 70 years, and in that time it was colonised by many nations; most notably Britain, France and Spain. The Argentinian claim to ownership stems from prior Spanish colonial ownership, but that ownership came with a blood price. France first colonised the East Falklands in 1764, and Britain the West in 1765. However, the French abandoned the Islands in the year 1766 at the request of the Spanish; who considered the Island a colonial possession. It wasn't until 1767 that Spanish troops assumed military control of the Eastern Falklands. As the heirs and successors of Spain, by virtue of the Argentinian war of independence. Spain went on to abandon the Islands in 1811, which due to the war which saw Argentina gain independence... If we assume that your claim to the Islands comes by virtue of you succeeding Spain, correct? If we consider your view, that you are the rightful owners by virtue of gaining independence, we must highlight the sheer hypocrisy of entire argument and claim. For the Spanish did control the Islands from around 1780, but that total control came because Spain conquered the Islands in 1780 using ships and troops that were raised in Argentina. If we are to say that your claim comes from that conquest, from Spanish colonial ownership, then you must also surely accept responsibility for the 1780 eviction of the British settlers and sealers who were forcefully rounded up and evicted from the Islands. Which means, by default, you are guilty of evicting British citizens who lived on the Islands before Argentina or Spain had settled it... Should the feelings of their descendants also be taken into account?
This Government has done nothing to 'stir up' anything. We are not the ones contacting standing before the United Nations demanding justice for the British colonists who were evicted by Spain, and by default you as their heir and successor, in 1780. We could, I suppose, do that but to us the issue is long dead and raising is petty and pointless. Now if Argentina wants the issue laid to rest, and stop the surge of nationalism that the UK feels whenever this topic is raised in the UN, we politely suggest you drop the matter and move on from this ridiculous notion that the Islands are the rightful possession of Argentina. As I have repeatedly iterated throughout this debate, the Islanders will decide their own future. Edited by PolishPrince, Feb 26 2013, 03:01 AM.
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| Monica | Feb 26 2013, 03:25 PM Post #22 |
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![]() Hector Timerman Foreign Minister of Argentina And again the United Kingdom brings up this laughable attempt to make it as though Argentina was a colonial power in 1780 because it was under the rule of another colonial empire Spain. As though Argentina is to be blamed at a time when the cold colonial powers of Europe used the people of far away lands like chess pawns. I remind this chamber that Argentina did not come into existence until 1816 so any claim that we were acting as a colonial power is completely fact-less. I remind the community that this chamber again that before; during the whole process of trading between the Colonial powers the Buenos Aryean Gauchos who had been settled there the entire time had no say so it what was going on. Though; the Gauchos have always had the largest population on the Islands before and after the Spanish colonial population. It was the British who sent colonizers to the Islands, not the other way around and It was after the Spanish left that Argentina and the population on the Islands were subjected to forceful eviction from the Islands in favor of a British Governor! Your are stating that the Spanish gained control of the Islands in 1765 and yet you also say that the Spanish conquered them with Ships and men raised in Argentina in 1780? Which is it Ambassador? Your distorted facts are contradicting themselves. Your claim that the "rightful" British residents were evicted is completely ridiculous and it was because they evicted Gauchos and other residents of South American descent that you retain administrative control over the Islands. Accept responsibility for the 1780 eviction of British settlers? Even if there had been a eviction which the British side has come to believe through repeating fictional lines to itself, we fail to see how a state that did not come into existence until almost 40 years later could claim responsibility. It was not the Argentine government that acted because it did not exist. That is simple diplomacy. So the continued military provocations on the Islands, building new military forts, sending down new ships and dispatch a Prince to the Islands is in no way be provocative? If Britain thinks that it can still hold on to colonial possessions 200 years later and everything will go fine and smooth it is far from the truth. |
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| Jos1311 | Feb 27 2013, 01:09 AM Post #23 |
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![]() Permanent Representative to the UN _____ Berlin again urges both Argentina and Britain to adopt a more constructive approach to the entire debate. This is a matter that bot Buenos Aires and London will need to address through bilateral dialogue, and we therefore urge Britain to at least discuss the matter with Argentina. |
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| PolishPrince | Feb 27 2013, 02:14 AM Post #24 |
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Sir Mark Lyall Grant.Permanent Representative to the United Nations - - - If you had listened Mr. Timerman, you would have heard that I stated Britain took possession of the Western Falkland territories in 1765, and that Spain took control of the Eastern territories in 1767. They then launched an invasion of the Western territories in 1770... We, as a nation, tend not to take kindly to such hostilities, as you may recall from your own invasion, and re-established a presence in in 1771. We demilitarised our colony in 1776, but left a plaque stating our continued Sovereignty and continued to support the Islanders as best we could. In 1780 those Islanders were rounded up and those who weren't butchered were expelled from the Islands, their homes were destroyed and their lives left in ruin. Now so far as we can see, the root of the Argentinian claim comes from the logic that 'We beat the Spanish, we took over this beautiful land we now call Argentina and so the Islands, as a nearby Spanish possession, now belong to us'... If there is some other reason for your claim, I do wish you'd enlighten us to it because the root of it; the very soul of your claim, seems to be that you want it because Spain controlled it. As a small reminder, while your nation did not assume the name Argentina until the 1816; you were the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata from around 1810. Your newly formed nation, Argentina, was led by many of the same individuals who led the United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata and who, before that, had worked for the Spanish Crown. You've rather hit the nail on the head though, two hundred years later. Your claim is based on the tenuous assumption that you are entitled to former Spanish territories. It always has been, and it is entirely faulty. The Falklands shall remain British for so long as the Islanders wish to be British. There is no question of that, there is no debate to be had and there is no chance of negotiation. |
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| Monica | Feb 27 2013, 12:17 PM Post #25 |
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![]() Hector Timerman Foreign Minister of Argentina The response of Britain says it all. Further debate in this chamber on this matter serves no one. The United Kingdom's version of how the nations that suffered under the colonial powers were in fact the actual colonial powers of this time, I do not need to say is absurd. We shall seek alternative measures until the United Kingdom is ready to adhere to the International call for them to enter into peace talks. |
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| Circo | Mar 2 2013, 02:16 PM Post #26 |
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Ambassador to the United Nations Whilst we are disappointed to hear that the dispute of Las Mavinas/the Falkland Islands continues without signs of comprise from the United Kingdom, we ask when Downing Street intends to hold the referendum and who shall be conducting it. With the referendum appearing to be the deciding matter for the United Kingdom to enter talks with Argentina, we feel a prompt and neutral party conducting the referendum will allow the dispute over the Islands to be resolved soon without any reason to cast doubt upon the results of the referendum. |
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| PolishPrince | Mar 2 2013, 02:47 PM Post #27 |
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Sir Mark Lyall Grant.Permanent Representative to the United Nations - - - The Falkland referendum will be carried out by the legitimate government of the Falkland Islands, and the results are due imminently. The government of the Falkland Islands, which has been democratically elected, has the full support of the United Kingdom - regardless of the outcome. The islanders will be asked whether they support the continuation of their status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom in view of Argentina's call for negotiations on the islands' sovereignty.[5] Should the islanders reject the continuation of their current status, a second referendum on possible alternatives will be held.[5] The proposed question is "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?" As for observers, it is entirely acceptable to us that just about any nation can observe the voting/counting process, to ensure that the entire affair is conducted in a fair manner. Edited by PolishPrince, Mar 2 2013, 02:50 PM.
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