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200 Point Kill Team List; My first proper game in 4 years
Topic Started: Feb 22 2014, 02:20 AM (755 Views)
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Hi guys,

I just wanted to ask your opinions on a 200pt Killteam list. I've been toying with the idea of taking a unit of death marks, wraiths and fill in the rest with what ever.

But I don't know how this will hold up, got a tourney kind of thing coming up. I know this isn't a pure cheese list, but I haven't played in over 4 years, so this is something that will get me back into the gaming scene easier than a full on 2000pt game where I have no idea whats going on.

The rules are

Force org chart of 200pts
0-1 Elite
0-2 Troops
0-1 Fast Attack

Must have at least 3 models, no models with more then 2 wounds, no flyers, creation of units will not work, no vehicle with armor value combined over 33 and no 2+ saves.

Let me know your thoughts!

Cheers

Jay
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I am also doing a 200 point kill team list, I am trying 5 Immortals and 3 Wraiths (one with whips). The next week this list goes up to 500 points, then 750, and the final week is 1000 points.
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Hi dude,

Yeh I don't know what I'm gonna do yet. Hence why i posted, but unfortunately mine just stays at 200pts :P I don't think its gonna be a long run tourney though 2 gaming sessions. I should scope out the enemy and see what armies I am up against really!

Cheers

Jay
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Well the deathmarks will really depend on if they allow the hunters mark special ability, that would be devastating in a kill team situation.
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Not really because the Kill Team Rules state that every model acts as a "squad unto themselves" therefore the Deathmark's special rule for marking would only apply to 1 model in your opponents Kill Team, not the whole unit.
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Feb 26 2014, 11:32 AM
Not really because the Kill Team Rules state that every model acts as a "squad unto themselves" therefore the Deathmark's special rule for marking would only apply to 1 model in your opponents Kill Team, not the whole unit.
If every model acts as a squad unto themselves then surely that would mean you get to mark 5 different targets? As each DM would be 'Its own squad' :wraith:
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Feb 26 2014, 11:45 AM
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Feb 26 2014, 11:32 AM
Not really because the Kill Team Rules state that every model acts as a "squad unto themselves" therefore the Deathmark's special rule for marking would only apply to 1 model in your opponents Kill Team, not the whole unit.
If every model acts as a squad unto themselves then surely that would mean you get to mark 5 different targets? As each DM would be 'Its own squad' :wraith:
I fear Secundum will be weighing in on this at some point, and I think I can sense his response!

As much as letting 5 separate Deathmarks "MARK" 5 different targets would be truly OP, I doubt it'll work that way. Kill Team rules are different for sure, so maybe ask the event organizer.
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Feb 26 2014, 09:09 PM
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Feb 26 2014, 11:45 AM
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Feb 26 2014, 11:32 AM
Not really because the Kill Team Rules state that every model acts as a "squad unto themselves" therefore the Deathmark's special rule for marking would only apply to 1 model in your opponents Kill Team, not the whole unit.
If every model acts as a squad unto themselves then surely that would mean you get to mark 5 different targets? As each DM would be 'Its own squad' :wraith:
I fear Secundum will be weighing in on this at some point, and I think I can sense his response!

As much as letting 5 separate Deathmarks "MARK" 5 different targets would be truly OP, I doubt it'll work that way. Kill Team rules are different for sure, so maybe ask the event organizer.
I'd be interested to hear Secundum's take on it. I feel that every Deathmark would gain their own 'Mark' which only they wound on a 2+.

After all is a characteristic/ability as much as Vanguard Veterans having the Heroic Intervention or Tau FW having supporting fire. Presumably it must allow each model to benefit from its own rules?

My kill team at the mo for a 200pt game coming up is 5 Deathmarks and 3 Wraiths which comes to exactly 200pts.
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Hi guys,

This is exactly what I was thinking, if I take a squad of these, this means I would have no worries. Jedziah the list you mentioned deathmarks and wraiths is exactly what i was thinking! The boards will be tiny with a larger amount of terrain so the wraiths will do me well.

Didn't think my post would attract so much attention!

Thanks for the replies, got a few more days yet till the kill teams start so I will email the organiser and let you know

Thanks again

Jay
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Feb 27 2014, 04:27 PM
Hi guys,

This is exactly what I was thinking, if I take a squad of these, this means I would have no worries. Jedziah the list you mentioned deathmarks and wraiths is exactly what i was thinking! The boards will be tiny with a larger amount of terrain so the wraiths will do me well.

Didn't think my post would attract so much attention!

Thanks for the replies, got a few more days yet till the kill teams start so I will email the organiser and let you know

Thanks again

Jay
If HfH works as it should do for the Deathmarks I cannot see a list that can easily defeat this.

Especially if you give your lead Specialist Deathmark Ignores Cover with his weapon. That's pretty much a guarantee to kill anything!

Tis a shame that Whip Coils cannot be squeezed on but the list seems awesome as is!

Good luck and let me know how it goes.

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I just check on the deathmark hunters mark rules for kill teams last night at the GW store for my kill team. It works like this, the deathmarks deploy as a unit and so do the other kill team units, so on deployment you pick a unit to get the mark. Then when it actually splits into individual models they still have the mark on them and every member of the original deathmark unit gets the +2 wound against any of those models. Very nasty.
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Feb 27 2014, 07:54 PM
I just check on the deathmark hunters mark rules for kill teams last night at the GW store for my kill team. It works like this, the deathmarks deploy as a unit and so do the other kill team units, so on deployment you pick a unit to get the mark. Then when it actually splits into individual models they still have the mark on them and every member of the original deathmark unit gets the +2 wound against any of those models. Very nasty.

Each model is a singular unit, therefore they deploy one model at a time, not as a unit of 5-10 models or however many that's in coherency. That's what I've been told by other players.

Still, I couldn't agree more... Very Nasty indeed!!!

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Found the BEST explanation everyone!!!! It specifically mentions our beloved Deathmarks!!!

https://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2600141a_Kill_Team_FAQ.pdf

ALSO, did you know that for Kill Team:
-Necron Models that have the RP rule are treated as having the Ever Living rule instead?!?!
-Necron models only count as being 'killed' after they've failed their EL rolls!
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That was my GW store's manager's official ruling on it for her upcoming Kill team expansion league. After I asked the question she reviewed the official kill team rules and the ability and made her determination.
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Yeh I'll see what the runner of the campaign says :) Hopefully it'll be each deathmark can mark his own target :D! Thanks for the replies!

Jay
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WOW!

Thanks for finding the FAQ Surrender! That really makes Deathmarks the ultimate killers in Kill Team games, especially since you have to take a minimum of 5 & they're survivability is increased with Ever Living!
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Mar 3 2014, 03:53 AM
WOW!

Thanks for finding the FAQ Surrender! That really makes Deathmarks the ultimate killers in Kill Team games, especially since you have to take a minimum of 5 & they're survivability is increased with Ever Living!
Played a Kill Team 200pt game last night with the 5 Deathmark 3 Wraith combo, it did really well vs a Deathwatch kill team with lots of Heavy Bolters.

I placed 3 Deathmarks on the board and kept the Wraiths together behind cover, moving them as a block.

The 3 DM's on the board picked different HfH targets and two managed rending rolls in turn 1, removing two models from play without a save being made. My friend poured his fire into the wraith's killing one and also dropping my Warlord down (Deathmark) with a lucky bolter shot.

2nd turn, I deep strike both remaining deathmarks behind his remaining squad members and rapid fire HfH into their two targets killing both. Wraiths managed to assault into a ruin and proceeded to murder his relentless HB marines.

After mopping up this was over by the end of turn 3. I had lost 1 Wraith and a Deathmark, my friend had been tabled. Being this was against MEQ I was very impressed. Weight of fire will generally be the problem I think though as you have only 8 bodies.
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Mar 3 2014, 10:02 AM
...I placed 3 Deathmarks on the board and kept the Wraiths together behind cover, moving them as a block.

The 3 DM's on the board picked different HfH targets and two managed rending rolls in turn 1, removing two models from play without a save being made. My friend poured his fire into the wraith's killing one and also dropping my Warlord down (Deathmark) with a lucky bolter shot.

2nd turn, I deep strike both remaining deathmarks behind his remaining squad members and rapid fire HfH into their two targets killing both. Wraiths managed to assault into a ruin and proceeded to murder his relentless HB marines...

Hate to point this out, but from everything I've read regarding Kill Team you CANNOT put any units in reserve. DS reserve is still IN reserve, no?

check out this link. These are the rules.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3460063a_Kill_Team_Rules_Pack_2013.4.pdf
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WOW!

Thanks for finding the FAQ Surrender! That really makes Deathmarks the ultimate killers in Kill Team games, especially since you have to take a minimum of 5 & they're survivability is increased with Ever Living!
No problem Ferrick!

I also found this too.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3460063a_Kill_Team_Rules_Pack_2013.4.pdf
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Feb 27 2014, 09:03 PM
That was my GW store's manager's official ruling on it for her upcoming Kill team expansion league. After I asked the question she reviewed the official kill team rules and the ability and made her determination.
I find it interesting you have a FEMALE GW store manager! That's gotta be a rarity! :D
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My daughter loves her (my daughter is 10 and plays Nids (she is painting them blue, with pink shells, purple small bits, skull basing, and hearts on the shells). Necrons do not exactly get ever-living according to my store manager, they get normal reanimation protocols as long as they are within 2 inches of another unit with reanimation protocols.

Also I know what the faq say about 1 mark per model on the enemy models but I like my store managers ruling better so I won't argue it. Taking it as one mark from a deathmark on 1 other model only gives you a max of 5 models marked. The way my store manager ruled it I choose a unit for my deathmarks to mark as a unit. So if they have a kill team of 30 genestealers or something stupid like that that would be 30 models marked instead of 5. Of course they only get the mark if you deploy last, since you can't have reserves in kill teams.

Now I just ran the list 5 Deathmarks and 3 Wraiths in a 200 pt kill team game on Sunday. I fought Space Marines. I was forced to deploy first so I didn't get to put a mark on anyone. I still wiped the board.
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