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| Tweet Topic Started: May 25 2014, 11:57 AM (613 Views) | |
| Carnotek | May 25 2014, 11:57 AM Post #1 |
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Hey guys a few things I could use some help on with new rules 1) what is determined first mind shackle scarabs or challenges 2) do hammer of wraith attacks get resoled against the challenge or squad " is it only the lord in the challenge as per the wording " 3) if Hammer of wraith is against the challenge and it killed the enemy can the rest of my attacks be resolved against the rest of the unit in a different int step eg our int 2 normal attacks 4) Can outside forces form the same unit in a challenge attack my CCB or must or even can they attack the lord in the challenge Cheers |
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| Secundum | May 25 2014, 12:21 PM Post #2 |
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1) Challenges are done before Mindshackle Scarabs activate 2) It's the challenge-HoW are at I10, and challenges are done before that. 3) No. 4) No, because the Overlord and the CCB are a single model. |
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| Carnotek | May 25 2014, 12:37 PM Post #3 |
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but with the new outside forces rules if there is nothing left to attack the can fight in the challenge and each model can choose to attack the lord or barge so issue challenge to lord-CCB and melta bomb it out from under him or no ?
Edited by Carnotek, May 25 2014, 12:38 PM.
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| Secundum | May 25 2014, 01:43 PM Post #4 |
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Phaeron
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Can you re-word that with proper grammar please? It's hard to read. |
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| Carnotek | May 25 2014, 02:20 PM Post #5 |
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Page 86 - a chariot is always treated as a single model , page 87 when fighting against a chariot model the attacker must decide whether to attack the rider or chariot. so if you are in a challenge the model you are fighting can nominate to attack the barge profile instead of the lord profile. page 103 outside forces in short a chariot model even with a lord is a single unit , so all other models in the enemy unit may now attack the chariot. leaving those models also to use anti vehicle wargear in CC to blow up our CCB and thus kill the embarked lord. ... hope that is easier to read.... |
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| Secundum | May 25 2014, 03:08 PM Post #6 |
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Last edition they could've attacked the chariot, but this edition they can't, as the Chariot and Lord are both in the challenge together. In 6th ed it would just be the Lord, and the chariot would sit there open to attacks. |
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| RejjeN | May 25 2014, 04:27 PM Post #7 |
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In 6th Ed the Lord couldn't even be in a challenge :P I think the question is in relation to the rule that allows wounds to be allocated to a model in a challenge if there is no one left to allocate to outside it (That's the way I interpreted it anyway, I'm gonna have to double-check later), the way I read it it never allows you to actually roll to-hit rolls against the model in the challenge and is just there in case you massacre his unit (which is irrelevant in the case of a BargeLord, as Secundum said). |
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| Carnotek | May 25 2014, 11:55 PM Post #8 |
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Ok after re reading it I can see that RejjeN. Im not sure why in 6th he couldn't be in a challenge and the reason I ask the above questions is because two tactics I use. 1) a mate who plays a unit of 8 berserker with Khan the betrayer - I would challenge Khan with my o/lord and tarpit him whilst the berserkers really couldn't do any damage to the CCB. 2) the same thing I would challenge a wraith knight and he would have to accept under the heroic stand rule but if he can now allocate wounds to the barge instead of the lord that is going to be a valuable tactic lost for me |
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| RejjeN | May 26 2014, 12:03 AM Post #9 |
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The rules for Chariots prevented characters embarked on one from receiving or declaring challenges in 6th Edition, but they've changed it to allow challenges now. |
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| Carnotek | May 26 2014, 12:07 AM Post #10 |
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Oh haha I see. So in 7th I can but can they allocate wounds to the barge profile instead of the lord ? |
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| Secundum | May 26 2014, 02:20 AM Post #11 |
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How could they? The Barge is in a challenge. |
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| Carnotek | May 26 2014, 03:35 AM Post #12 |
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sorry iv worded this all very badly from the start , Can the other person in the challenge allocate wounds to the barge profile instead of the lord profile. |
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| Secundum | May 26 2014, 02:00 PM Post #13 |
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Yes, they can. But with a 3++ save it shouldn't be an issue. |
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| Carnotek | May 26 2014, 11:45 PM Post #14 |
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Yeah I saw your post on that thanks for the reply. I just wasn't sure because it states rider can issue and accept and if that was indicating rider profile only. |
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| M0Dark | May 27 2014, 07:33 PM Post #15 |
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The people outside of the challenge can still hit the challenge participants as I see it as there is nothing saying that in models in a challenge may not be hit by models outside of it. There was last edition. It just says that wounds cannot be allocated to the challenge participants by outside forces until there are no enemy outside forces left. So if you challenge a Squad of Vanguard Vets with sarge and Chapter Master expect the barge to be melta bombed at I1. @Secundum - I see the RAW for the Phase shifter affecting the whole model, but would expect this to be FAQ'd out, although it does balance out the huge cost of the thing. |
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| Secundum | May 27 2014, 08:57 PM Post #16 |
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Phaeron
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FAQs are up, and it hasn't been FAQd. 3++ TIME! Also, I think pairing the barge with either scarabs, wraiths, or Praetorians would work well. |
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| Omar | May 27 2014, 11:44 PM Post #17 |
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Flayed One
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Sempiternal Weave hase the same wording as the Phase Shifter so our barge has a 2+, 3++ |
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| RejjeN | May 28 2014, 01:25 AM Post #18 |
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I must be blind, cause I did not see a confirmation for that in the FAQ :/ |
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| Omar | May 28 2014, 01:52 AM Post #19 |
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Flayed One
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Because the chariot and its rider count as the same model and because the rules for the phase shifter and sempiternal weave state that the model gains the save rather than the character, both rider and chariot gain the save. That is.. If you purchase it.. (Who wouldn't?) |
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| RejjeN | May 28 2014, 02:09 AM Post #20 |
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Turns out I missread Secundum's post, thought he said it "had" been Faq'd, not "hasn't". Kinda sad about it not being FAQ'd one way or another, I'm gonna feel dirty using that xD |
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