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| Tweet Topic Started: May 25 2014, 11:57 AM (614 Views) | |
| Carnotek | May 25 2014, 11:57 AM Post #1 |
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Hey guys a few things I could use some help on with new rules 1) what is determined first mind shackle scarabs or challenges 2) do hammer of wraith attacks get resoled against the challenge or squad " is it only the lord in the challenge as per the wording " 3) if Hammer of wraith is against the challenge and it killed the enemy can the rest of my attacks be resolved against the rest of the unit in a different int step eg our int 2 normal attacks 4) Can outside forces form the same unit in a challenge attack my CCB or must or even can they attack the lord in the challenge Cheers |
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| Secundum | May 28 2014, 02:06 PM Post #21 |
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No, it doesn't get a 2+. Vehicles always use their armour value, and never get a 'save' as such. On the other hand, Vehicles with invuns have been around since 2nd ed. |
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| Unholyllama | May 28 2014, 02:30 PM Post #22 |
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I was talking thisover with a couple local TOs last night. We pretty much are all in agreement that the Phase Shifter would apply to both wounds onto the Rider and HPs onto the Chariot. However, we pretty much all agreed after some debating that the Sempinternal Weave would only be the Rider as vehicles do not have armor saves, just cover and invulnerables. RAW a case could be made either way but looking at it, we couldn't find any other instance where a vehicle could ever get an armor save (and thus kept the armor save on the rider but giving the 3++ to both). |
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| Secundum | May 28 2014, 11:54 PM Post #23 |
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Phaeron
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Looks like we're all in agreement then. |
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| s6nculve | Jul 9 2014, 07:27 AM Post #24 |
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Flayed One
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That is totally broken…. I love it. Can't wait to run it like that. |
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| SurrenderAndDie | Jul 23 2014, 06:24 PM Post #25 |
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SERIOUSLY?!?!?!! I always thought the best a CCB or A. Barge could get is a 4+ Jink with Zahndrekh's help!!!! That's just madness...... |
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| Unholyllama | Jul 23 2014, 07:12 PM Post #26 |
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Well, jink alone is now 4+. With Stealth from Night Fighting or Zahndrek, it'll be a 3+. Since the Rider on a Chariot counts as 1 model (per the BRB) then the save on the Phase Shifter, whose rules state "model", would confer the 3++ to the chariot's vehicle profile as well. Now - that's my personal local tournament organizers. There are people in other forums who are reporting TOs are saying the Phase Shifter is rider only (so the best would be 4+ or 3+ jink save for the vehicle depending on stealth). All in all, the 3++ on the vehicle profile isn't a big thing. - It's only 16% better than the basic Jink Save when being shot at by weapons that don't ignore cover - Provides a 3++ save against close combat attacks - however, new chariot rules has such attacks go against the front armor (so vs AV13 in many cases). In this case, the 3++ will be in affect regardless if they swing only at the rider. All in all, you're looking at a 250-300pt model that truly only excels at taking out vehicles now that it can be locked in combat. |
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| SurrenderAndDie | Jul 23 2014, 07:20 PM Post #27 |
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I haven't played OR looked at 7th at all so I was unaware of Jink being 4+ PERIOD. That is GOOD. Still, a 3++ on a vehicle sounds cool! Thanks Unholyllama! :) |
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| Unholyllama | Jul 23 2014, 08:11 PM Post #28 |
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You DEFINITELY need to review the chariot rules in 7th. It's one of the more significant changes for Necrons I would say. |
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| Rutgerman | Jul 28 2014, 09:18 AM Post #29 |
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that's just f'ed up :p I think my local boys won't allow it, untill I have 7th myself and can rub the exact ruling in their faces I'm not going to try and pull this off. :) thx for enlightment tough :D |
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