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Dealing With The Hell Frost Cannon
Topic Started: Jul 21 2014, 04:49 PM (1,166 Views)
Secundum
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So, it looks like the Space Wolves are once again horrifically broken.

Space Wolf Flyer
It will come in 2 versions:
First - 215 points
One - assault transport with TL hell frost cannon
Two fire modes:
- s6 ap3, blast, then it forces a Str test. If the test is failed, the enemy dies
- s8 ap1 , heavy 1 - rest is the same
16 models capacity
Heavy Bolters with MMelta or Skyhammer Option
Second: 220 points
6 models capacity
Hell frost cannon (the same as above)
Storm Strike missile
Both flyers have Machine Spirit and Ceramite plating.

The model will cost as much as a storm raven...

...The Stormfang Gunship has the look of half of a Caestus Assault Ram, and is on the cover of next week's White Dwarf. The previous rumors really list out its abilities well. It comes with a Helfrost Destructor, two twin-linked heavy bolters, two stormstrike missiles and ceramite plating, with power of the machine spirit.

Heavy bolter upgrades to skyhammer missile launcher or two twin linked multi-meltas
stormstrike missiles can be upgraded to a twin linked lascannon.

Helfrost Destructor
Dispersed 24" S6 AP3 Hvy1, Helfrost, Large Blast
Focused 24" S8 AP1, Hvy1, Helfrost, Lance

Stormstrike Missile 72" S8 AP2 hvy1 Concussive one shot only



That's been confirmed by 4 guys from 4 differant websites, all saying the same thing. So Wolves have a flying Assault Vehicle.
That Hell Frost Cannon though.....

So, thoughts on dealing with this Monstrosity?
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Olfgund
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AV12 all around & 3HP
the tesla destructors will need some luck to crack that
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gravmyr
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IA12 pylons. Done.
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Unholyllama
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All of those rules are rumored. The rules are in the new white dwarf that'll come out this saturday (but is sold VERY often earlier). The only leaks of the WD i've seen thus far is the picture and the 6-capacity aspect called out in editorial content.

Even so - I agree with Olfgund - tesla it with ABs and Scythes. Throw tank hunter on them for good measure and take it out. Alternatively, Triarch Stalker (not the most effective against flyers but decent) or taking a single Vengeance Weapon Battery with the Quad-Icarus for 2 TL skyfire, interceptor lascannon shots.

The VWB option is appeal to me. I've been toying around with taking 1 of them to camp an objective in my deployment zone. Since claimed buildings score - your opponent now has to get across the field and get an AV14 impassible building off of one of my objectives (or have obj. secured). Even at BS2, 2 twin-linked shots should hit it at least once and if it Penetrates, we can do some nasty damage then. At 75pts, a VWB would make up it's points just with 1 HP off of that thing if the point cost is true.

As for the weapon on the Stormfang - it's not bad but nothing too devastating. Small blast and a strength test at S4 or S5. Even a single S8 shot isn't too much of a concern for us unless we expose our tails to it.

To me - if that's all that it has, then I'll probably be ignoring it. It's not THAT dangerous from a firepower perspective.
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Stormwolf – Fast Attack – Points = Land Raider minus 35
BS4 – F12 S12 R12 HP3 – Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)

Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters – May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20pts
Ceramite Plating

Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit

Transport:
Transport Capacity – sixteen models
Fire Points – none
Access Points – One ramp at the front of the hull

Stormfang Gunship – Heavy Support – Points = Land Raider minus 30
BS4 – F12 S12 R12 HP3 – Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)

Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters – May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20 pts
Two Stormstrike missiles – May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon for 15 pts
Ceramite Plating

Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit

Transport:
Transport Capacity – six models
Fire Points – none
Access Points – One at rear of the hull

Helfrost cannon
dispersed – R24″ S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed – R24″ S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost

Helfrost destructor
dispersed – R24″ S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed – R24″ S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance

Helfrost – If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play


Supposedly - that's directly from the white dwarf. All I have to say is....DAAAAAAAMN!. That's a REALLY nice flyer. Capacity 16 in a flying assault vehicle is huge. 12/12/12 flyer is also mean. Lastly, the gunship is crazy too with a large blast and a lance (and the lascannons of course).

I'll have to talk to my local SW players. I'm sure they are drooling over this and it wouldn't surprise me if I start seeing 2 on the tables.
Edited by Unholyllama, Jul 21 2014, 07:58 PM.
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16 Is because SW get assault units of up to 15. The extra one is for whatever character they're throwing in.
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that is really, really, really insane... that's just the perfect all round vehicle, I hope there is a catch (altough I doubt it) future might tell, on how to deal with it, Tesla Destructors are the most main option, flyers, just tons of our flyers... but for 220 points it easily fills points space, never underestimate that, for 30 points less we have 2 AV13 vehicles that can hammer it down, so I think it will still be quite fair.
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A catch? Wolves are GWs pet army, every single time they've got a codex they've been horrifically broken. Expect things like 12 point Grey Hunters, and Wolf Guard getting Meltaguns for free. After all, it's not like that's ever happened bef-OH WAIT.
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Pylons are not that great. 2go a long way
3 is more chance to actualy get a shot in.
That is not cheap pts wise
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Unless you have a ton of tall terrain chances are very good that you will get a round of interceptor or a chance to fire once they move once. With a range of 120' pretty sure I have most of the table covered except in special games.
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Meh tesla destructors have never been far wrong for me. That cannon is fiendish enough as a lance weapon but it's still only S8 single shot vs AV12 with the option to jink.
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So this may be a rookie question but how does the Strength test apply to say a Warrior's "stand back up" ability?
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Shas_Sam
Jul 22 2014, 08:55 PM
So this may be a rookie question but how does the Strength test apply to say a Warrior's "stand back up" ability?
The Strength test would cause more "wounds" but afterwards, they can still get back up via ressurrection protocol as long as the rest of the squad isn't destroyed or running away.
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With 3 Templates though, all killing on 2s, followed by Strength tests...I don't like our chances.
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Isn't it heavy one?
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Two fire modes:
- s6 ap3, blast, then it forces a Str test. If the test is failed, the enemy dies
- s8 ap1 , heavy 1 - rest is the same
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Jul 23 2014, 02:33 PM
Two fire modes:
- s6 ap3, blast, then it forces a Str test. If the test is failed, the enemy dies
- s8 ap1 , heavy 1 - rest is the same
And that's just the version with the transport capacity of 16. The version with capacity of 6 uses a large blast.
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Yeah, the one with 16 is the one that's trouble though-I'm not concerned over the other one.
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Both variants are nasty; however, it's nice that they will have to go into hover in order to disembark (and only a single access point in the rear). THe large blast variant has lance too (supposedly) which makes it annoying in general; however, at AP1, it'll one shot our vehicles 50% of the time if it causes a penetrating hit.

Thankfully though, they are at a price point where a wolf player will have to decide what they want to do. These new flyers aren't cheap and have enough strength to address pretty much any of our infantry that's out in the open. Just need to make sure a model with a weave is always the closest model to it to tank the shots I guess.
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