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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 13 2014, 11:46 PM (138 Views) | |
| OhLongJohnson | Aug 13 2014, 11:46 PM Post #1 |
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Hey there, in the last discussions we had about the CCB we noticed that a CCB might need a "bodyguard-unit" to prevent it from getting tarpitted, I wondered what kind of bodyguard would be best for this purpose. So I took a look at the acanthrites and thought they could do the job. This, because they seem to synergize well with the CCB: 1: They have about the same speed 2: They are vulnerable to the same kind of attacks. High-strength-low-ap attacks (thus achieving target saturation) 3: They have stealth and can hide behind the CCB, giving them a 4+ cover save (and making them MUCH harder to kill) 4: Acanthrites may do a good job at freeing a tarpitted CCB, as you would have 12 attacks on the charge with 4 acanthrites (+ maybe HoW) 5: Due to their melta and entropic strike, they may hunt down tanks together with the CCB. 6: Due to their melta, they can hunt deathstars and MCs together with the CCB. Main downside is the pointcost I think... What do you think? are there better units to run together with the CCB? |
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| Omar | Aug 14 2014, 04:16 AM Post #2 |
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They would need to be fast so that leaves us with arcanthrites, wraiths, tomb blades, destroyers, preatorians and scarabs They need to be at least somewhat decent in close combat as the goal is to end the combat and let the CCB do its job.. Tomb blades suck in CC they are simply fast warriors with 1 more toughness. You buy destroyers for their weapons not their CC ability Scarabs pump out a lot of attacks but anything with a decent armour save can weather that for a bit.. Preatorians are really expensive and I have no experience with them.. That leaves us with wraiths and arcanthrites.. I think both would do an exelent job of freeing the CCB.. |
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| Unholyllama | Aug 14 2014, 02:51 PM Post #3 |
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IMO, Wraiths would be a better unit to help a CCB out of a tarpit than Acanthrites. Acanthrites are amazing; however, they are more about shooty-killy than close combat. With only S4, they will not wound as much as Wraiths even with their void blades. Both have Rending; however, Wraiths will be wounding in general on a 2+ instead of Acanthrites wounding on 4+. In addition, Wraiths will have more attacks, cost less, and have a 3++ save. Acanthrites are great - not going to argue that point; however, for this specific situation, I would be looking towards wraiths than any other Fast Attack option due to their strength, attacks, and point cost compared to other options. The only other option for a fast attack close combat unit would be Charnel Scarabs since they are cheaper, have more attacks, and have Rending and Shred. |
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| OhLongJohnson | Aug 14 2014, 04:55 PM Post #4 |
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That is all true! Wraiths should be better at pumping out more attacks (and reduce enemy I to 1) There are only 2 downsides while using wraiths: 1: that you dont achieve target saturation...wraiths hate small arms fire, while the CCB is not affected from it. This may give the opponent the opportunity to take out both when they fly towards him... Acanthrites on the other hand survive a lot of small arms fire and hate AP2/ Ap3 stuff...however, AP2/AP3 stuff tends to also have a high strength value, which also affects the CCB...thus target saturation. 2: Acanthrites profit from a cover save if hiding behind the CCB, while wraiths do not profit from it as they are 3++ invul anyways... However as you stated, acanthrites are not as good at killing the units that would usually tarpid a CCB...and the opponent also profits from tarpitting the acanthrites (as they cant use melta) Thats a dilemma, however you might be right that wraiths are better. Maybe the best thing to do would be to use wraiths and fly with them IN FRONT of the CCB...this way you may prevent the CCB from getting charged at all... |
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| alaric ironaxe | Aug 14 2014, 09:24 PM Post #5 |
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That's what I would do. Sure the wraiths can take damage from small arms fire, but you'll have plenty of other threats that can, and if you're taking 6 wraiths and putting them in front of your CCB chances are nothing will be able to charge the CCB and tarpit it and will instead have to fight the wraiths which in turn can tarpit most units. |
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