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Is a Tesseract Ark worth it?
Topic Started: Sep 9 2014, 10:16 PM (705 Views)
Avidem
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I'm considering picking up a Tesseract Ark along with two Night Shrouds. However, I've never had any experience with it and no one I know has one either. My concern is spending the money for something that I use once and find out it isn't really that great and have it sit on a self. So if anyone has some input on it I'd greatly appreciate the input.
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Personally I would wait a couple months until the new book comes out on the Ark. I don't see FW updating IA12 anytime soon so the bombers should be all good but it's hard to say what GW will change the Ark in our codex (the Stompa was in the Ork book and got better from the dataslate in Escalation so it could happen to us too).

If you can't wait.... I understand :-)

First off - Disclaimer: I don't own an Ark, T-C'tan, nor Obelisk ; however, I have seen/read a number of reports on games involving at least one of the three. (So obviously I'm an expert :-D).

That aside, right now the Trancendent C'tan is highly considered to be the most broken model within Escalation now that D Weapons got nerfed in 7th edition. A smaller Gargantuan Creature that has all of the abilities as the larger Ark (just not AV14) but also Stomp and FNP (all G-Creatures have FNP), it's a beast. The special abilities that it can take that are unique to it make it amazing.

For 775 points, the C'tan can take Transliminal Stride, Wave of Withering, and Sky of Falling Stars. That will give you a gargantuan creature that moves 18" in the movement phase (with a S D hit to anything it passes over), a S D Hellstorm template, and 6 S7 AP3 Apoc Barrage hits before assaulting and stomping all over something. It's ridiculous.

The Obelisk is cheap and is like a super-monolith. Arguably weaker than 2 monoliths, it puts out a lot more shots and pretty much shuts down enemy flyers and skimmers within it's 24" bubble. I would say the largest advantage to this is that it is easier to address than the other 2 options (so people won't be pissed at you) and that it is stupid cheap. Compared to other superheavies, I would say it's the weakest in the entire Escalation book but also a good introduction to people hesitant to playing super heavies. One argument I can see someone making against taking an Obelisk is that they are 15-40pts cheaper than a Knight which probably would do more damage than this model would - so it'd be better to just find the points and do a mono-knight detachment.
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Well it would be around February or March before I order said Ark.

I'm hoping I can get a Tesseract Vault in the next couple of weeks. I've really liked the Obelisk since it released. As for the C'tan I've seen it played a couple of times and it's crazy the amount of shenanigans people can pull off with it.

As for the Knight, I doubt I'll ever buy one. Never cared for it when it was getting ready for release and since it's come out I haven't been impressed with it. I'd rather spend the money on something else.

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before spending any money I would always proxy.
In this case its not difficult to proxy: Use a monolith, or really any necron vehicle as a tesseract arc, and use normal scythes as nightshroud bombers.

I totally agree with unholy: The wisest thing is to wait till the new dex comes out, it would be incredibly frustrating for you to buy a tesseract arc just to get it nerfed shortyl after...

As for bombers: I once proxied them, but it wasnt really a good test as I faced 5 imperial knights. The bombers did pretty well against them with their S10 AP1 blast (that automatically hits side armor) and I noticed you can pull of some nice sheanigans with the bombers. (Like bombing one target and shooting at another, or leaving combat airspace in the movement phase, still dropping a bomb).
They did not get shot at all so I cant tell you how hard they are to crack.
That said---the nightshroud bomber is a stunning model in my opinion.
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I've proxied a Shroud a couple weeks ago in a game in took three turns for it to get shot down. (Lucky dice roll, lol)
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Sep 10 2014, 12:06 AM
I've proxied a Shroud a couple weeks ago in a game in took three turns for it to get shot down. (Lucky dice roll, lol)
lucky ones for you or for the opponent?
Dont forget that -if the map is small- there is nothing stopping you from leaving combat airspace every second turn and still drop a bomb every turn...nowhere it states you cant drop a bomb if you leave combat airspace in the same movement phase ;).

They do also combine great with toholk the blinded (if you wanna use maynarkh)...toholk gives them "it will not die" ( which is especially nasty if they leave combat airspace every second turn) and makes shure they arrive as early as possible!

Finally: Barrage weapons are actually small sniper weapons because of wound allocation, nothing more amusing than bombing out the enemy warlord with an instant-killing S10 AP1 bomb right in his face.
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Lucky for the opponent.

I had kinda of forgotten about that and just kept moving around and dropping bombs.
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Unholyllama
Sep 9 2014, 11:01 PM
Personally I would wait a couple months until the new book comes out on the Ark. I don't see FW updating IA12 anytime soon so the bombers should be all good but it's hard to say what GW will change the Ark in our codex (the Stompa was in the Ork book and got better from the dataslate in Escalation so it could happen to us too).

If you can't wait.... I understand :-)

First off - Disclaimer: I don't own an Ark, T-C'tan, nor Obelisk ; however, I have seen/read a number of reports on games involving at least one of the three. (So obviously I'm an expert :-D).

That aside, right now the Trancendent C'tan is highly considered to be the most broken model within Escalation now that D Weapons got nerfed in 7th edition. A smaller Gargantuan Creature that has all of the abilities as the larger Ark (just not AV14) but also Stomp and FNP (all G-Creatures have FNP), it's a beast. The special abilities that it can take that are unique to it make it amazing.

For 775 points, the C'tan can take Transliminal Stride, Wave of Withering, and Sky of Falling Stars. That will give you a gargantuan creature that moves 18" in the movement phase (with a S D hit to anything it passes over), a S D Hellstorm template, and 6 S7 AP3 Apoc Barrage hits before assaulting and stomping all over something. It's ridiculous.

The Obelisk is cheap and is like a super-monolith. Arguably weaker than 2 monoliths, it puts out a lot more shots and pretty much shuts down enemy flyers and skimmers within it's 24" bubble. I would say the largest advantage to this is that it is easier to address than the other 2 options (so people won't be pissed at you) and that it is stupid cheap. Compared to other superheavies, I would say it's the weakest in the entire Escalation book but also a good introduction to people hesitant to playing super heavies. One argument I can see someone making against taking an Obelisk is that they are 15-40pts cheaper than a Knight which probably would do more damage than this model would - so it'd be better to just find the points and do a mono-knight detachment.
I'm kinda confused on your post. You are talking about the T'ctan and the obelisk and from what I can understand grouping in the ark with them as if it was a LOW. The Tesseract Vault is the other LOW choice. He is talking about the T ark from as you said the IA12 so there is the confusion (as FW controls that and not gw even thought FW is a part of gw).


Well lets take a look at this baby little more then a monolith in pts with nearly the same bs armor and hp (12 around and 14 with QS front/sides). Tank skimmer heavy(no jink sadly) and open toppded(not as much of a problem as it was in 6th). Comes with the TSC and two tesla cannons that can switch for gauss cannons for free or two particle beamers(not TL on any of them)

Despite not having jink it has a 5++ makes any models trying to assault or ram take a dangerious terrian test and disordered charge (crazy awesome for free) and has a one of three firing modes a turn Solar fire, Particle Hurricane9awesome name), and seismic Lash Each of them scary in their own right (solar fire and seismic lash are the better of the three).


Now it does have a downside of if the TSC takes a weapon destroyed result roll a d6 and on a 4+ it implodes(soo metal) and if it explodes normally it is a str6 instead of the str 4(or 3 i forget)


reading about this thing is making me droll with how awesome it is and will easily make its points back and more. Have some spyders and a stalker giving this thing TL could pretty much take on an army in it's own right. If only i didn't dislike the model and didn't like the high price on FW i'd get this in a heart beat but.... .yeah. If you like a "proper" death machine that the monolith fails to be then yeah this is soooo worth (points wise can't say monetary wise)
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Oberron - wow I completely missed that! You are correct. I was completely thinking the vault and not the ark.

>.< sorry Avidem!
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Its fine. I expect some slight deviation in the topics anyways. I'm probably going to get one once I get my tax return that way the new Codex will be out and I can see how bad we get hit with the nerf stick. If I like it I'll pick up another one later one.
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Sep 10 2014, 06:20 AM
Oberron - wow I completely missed that! You are correct. I was completely thinking the vault and not the ark.

>.< sorry Avidem!
its cool I get confused when anyone talks about the necron unit Stalker. Do they mean the FW one or the necron codex one? Normally I wait until they say something that one has that the other doesn't.
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