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1500 Single CAD - Highlander
Topic Started: Mar 25 2015, 08:54 PM (175 Views)
grotzilla
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I have an upcoming 1500 pt Highlander Tournament this Saturday.
(A quick summary of the Highlander format, for those who don't know, restricts all units - including dedicated transports - to a 0-1 unit selection. Troops are exempt form this, so long as at least one of each troop selection is taken.)
I've never played this format before (heck, I haven't even played a game since the new edition came out - one of the problems of having 5 children I suppose... I can't escape to play often, but when I do, it is usually for a full day or two on the weekend)

Anyway, here's the list at exactly 1500 pts:

HQ Destroyer Lord (Voidreaper, Phase Shifter)
Trp 20 Warriors
Trp 10 Warriors in Ghost Ark
Trp 5 Immortals (Tesla) in Night Scythe
Elt 5 Deathmarks
Elt 20 Flayed Ones
Elt Triarch Stalker (Heat Ray)
Hvy 3 Heavy Destroyer

Fairly simple plan:
D-Lord goes with the 20 warriors near the T-Stalker, supported by the Ghost Ark and Heavy-Ds.
Stalker and Heavy-Ds will likely use the Ark for cover saves as much as possible.
Immortals either deploy on Maelstrom backfield objective early, or come in with their N-Scythe.
Flayed ones cause issues up-field for the enemy (D-Lord may try to join them if need warrants).
Deathmarks do their Deathmark thing.

I think there's quite a bit of synergy here between the Preferred Enemy and Stalker's BS bonus.
Also, it feels like most of my bases are covered:
-lots of gauss and hi-str/low-ap weapons vs armor / MCs
-sternguard / melta drop-pod defense with the Deathmarks (also can bubble-wrap with flayed / warriors if needed)
-lots of gauss / flayed ones vs hordes
-a bit of air defense with the NS and PE warrior blob

Did I miss anything? (its probably a bit late to mess with the list much, but I'd really appreciate any strategy advice that I missed, especially since I'm so out of practice :) )

Also, I'll try to post up some battle reports / pics next week!
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I like the list!

PE + BS5 is really a nice combo...so the destroyer lord should do well for the warriors.

Only thing I'd probably consider is dropping just a few warriors/flayed ones in order to get in 7 deathmarks. 7 Deathmarks tend to do their job (DS-killing monstrous creatures and stuff like that) better than just 5.

As for the flayed ones as anti-horde:
True, but flayed ones are actually anti-everything (except T8 MCs and AV11+ vehicles).
I made some calculations and came to the conclusion that on a per-point-basis, flayed ones are the killiest CC-units we have! For example, they kill more spacemarines in CC than Lychguard with S&B!!!

What I want to say with that: Dont feel scared to just charge about everything with that big unit fo flayed ones. 20 FO kick out 100 attacks on charge, against T4 targest (with WS4) this means about 50 hits and 37.5 woundings! Ouch!
Even against T7 targets (WS4) it means about 50 hits and 15,3 woundings. (bye-bye-C´tan shard)
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Yeah, two more deathmarks would probably be a good idea - that equals either a combination of 3 FlayedOnes/Warriors, or 2 FlayedOnes/Warriors & downgrade the Voidreaper to a regular Warscythe.

With either choice, its probably better removing Warriors rather than Flayed Ones, because the Ghost Ark can replenish the Warrior squad if I start losing them, but I nothing to replenish Flayed Ones (Unfortunately!)
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Taking OLJ's suggestions, the list currently stands as follows:

HQDestroyer Lord (VoidReaper, Phase Shifter)
Trp 17 Warriors
Trp 10 Warriors in Ghost Ark
Trp 5 Immortals (Tesla) in Night Scythe
Elt 7 Deathmarks (Edited - forgot to change this on the copy/paste)
Elt 20 Flayed Ones
Elt Triarch Stalker (Heat Ray)
Hvy 3 Heavy Destroyer

I figured the VoidReaper was a better choice than the 18th warrior, as the D-Lord is only WS 4 with 3 attacks, and it would be nice to make those attacks actually HIT (good chance of that between Master-Crafted and Preferred Enemy!)

Anyone else have any thoughts / suggestions?
Edited by grotzilla, Mar 26 2015, 10:28 PM.
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If you are planning to take the Immortals in the Night Scythe, I would give them GBs over Tesla. If they do deploy in your lines though, tesla isn't bad option. Personally Immortals with GBs have far outperformed their tesla counterparts for me. Other people swear by them though, so perhaps it's just a preference thing.
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@grotzilla:
I think it should be 7 deathmarks, not 5. right?

As for the list: Seems pretty good to me! I think now you would have to playtest it and see how well it goes!

Ah, one more thing I would consider: You take voidreaper in order to protect the warriors in CC. A totally different approach would be to take the plasma-gauntlet and prevent opponents from getting into CC at all!!
S7 Ap2 flamer with reroll 1 on wounding (PE) is a very scary thing...and lets your opponent think twice before getting too close to your warrior unit...you could still take hyperphase sword or voidblade on the D-lord in order to protect the unit in CC.
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@OLJ -
Yeah, shoulda been 7. Fixed it.
Wish I had time to playtest. Honestly, most of my hobby time these days is spent on modeling and painting. Luckily, the FLGS has a campaign coming up, which I should be able to convince the wife to let me join :)
As far as the Conflagrator goes, I LOVE the idea of it on a D-Lord, and will definitely try it out at some point when I have time to model and paint a second D-Lord (If it wasn't a tourney, I'd have no problem just trying it out)

@ hacker -
The Immortals being Tesla over Gauss is actually more of an aesthetic choice - I only have 5 of the plastic Immortals equipped with Tesla. My only other Immortals are 12 of the old metal Immortals with the ugly green acrylic rods, which were painted (poorly) by me about 6 years ago. However, I like having them as Tesla because they mostly just sit in my backfield on an objective and snipe at anything that comes into range. The NightScythe was just in the list for a bit of anti-air, which actually got me thinking...

I could drop the Deathmarks down to 6, lose another warrior, and change it into a DoomScythe. The DoomScythe hadn't occurred to me before, because I had planned on going with a Decurion, but only had the one flyer, so a DoomBringer Flight formation was out of the the question. But in a CAD, I think I'd much prefer to have the DoomScythe over the NightScythe. Thanks for making my old cob-webbed brain get some exercise!
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Yeah, shoulda been 7. Fixed it.
Wish I had time to playtest. Honestly, most of my hobby time these days is spent on modeling and painting. Luckily, the FLGS has a campaign coming up, which I should be able to convince the wife to let me join :)
As far as the Conflagrator goes, I LOVE the idea of it on a D-Lord, and will definitely try it out at some point when I have time to model and paint a second D-Lord (If it wasn't a tourney, I'd have no problem just trying it out)


I know that, sometimes there really isnt much playtesting going on. Just try out the conflagrator when you feel like it.
On a side note, it is also possible to pick normal gauntlet + warscythe over voidreaper. In CC, normal warscythe isnt much worse than voidreaper...and gauntlet provides you a flamer (always handy) and 1D3 automatic overwatch hits when you get charged.

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I could drop the Deathmarks down to 6, lose another warrior, and change it into a DoomScythe. The DoomScythe hadn't occurred to me before, because I had planned on going with a Decurion, but only had the one flyer, so a DoomBringer Flight formation was out of the the question. But in a CAD, I think I'd much prefer to have the DoomScythe over the NightScythe. Thanks for making my old cob-webbed brain get some exercise!

If your immortals do backfield camping anyways..I'd do that. The big gun mounted on the doomscythe is well worth the additional points.
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Agreed. Death Ray = Awesome. You'll have to let me know how the big block of flayed ones play out. I'm thinking of adding more to my army, but I'm not completely sold on the big block yet. 20 seems like overkill to me. Although at I2 maybe not..
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