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| Warriorless list(s); I was challenged. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 25 2015, 11:46 PM (162 Views) | |
| Akar | May 25 2015, 11:46 PM Post #1 |
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So my FLGS Group has challenged me to make a List that they could play that doesn't have any Warriors. They've learned that I love them and that they're always the hardest unit for them to deal with. So this leaves me with CAD only, and can't benefit from Relentless (Grrrr) ----- List A ----- Zahndrekh 30 Immortals (G) (3x10) 10 Tomb Blades (SV,N,PB) (2x5) 2 Triarch Stalkers (HGC) 8 Wraiths (2x4) 1490 Points Solid Core based around Zahndrekh. The Tomb Blades will give me the ability to respond to Infantry/Light Vehicles. The Stalkers are split up into 2 Units to help insure that 1 is around if I don't go first, or he gets a lucky shot. I've actually fallen in love with BS5 Tomb Blades with the Blasters, and I'm hoping that with the 10 at this points level, he'll keep his distance for a turn, since I have less than 1/2 of my normal shooting. ----- List B ----- Zahndrekh 29 Immortals (20 G, 9 T) *Judicator Battalion 2 Stalkers (PS) 12 Praetorians (Rod) (2x6) 2 Nightscythes 1499 Lower Numbers than I'm comfortable with, but since they want something that would be more than just Warriors, I'm trying to avoid 'Well, I'll just take Wraiths instead' mentality. I don't thave the Praetorians done up yet, but might Proxy them and see how it goes. The Stalkers will actually go up front on this list for both the Particle Shredders and the fact that I'll have the Praetorians in the Nightscythes. REALLY getting out of my comfort zone with so few models on the table, and I think this list is more dependant on going first. A fast, aggressive army that goes first would really give this list a Hard time. |
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| OhLongJohnson | May 26 2015, 12:43 AM Post #2 |
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I dont know, I think you are too worried about the low bodycount. On a per-point basis, immortals have about the same killing power as warriors as their weapons have strength 5 instead of strength 4...against 4+ save the immortals are much more effective. They are also about as tough on a per-point basis due to their 3+ armor save. I think immortals (just as warriors) are among the best troops in the game. I myself would lean towards list 2...basically because I think that pretorians are much cooler than wraiths :D. However I would make same changes: - Drop one NIghtscythe and get in 5 tomblades with vanes, beamers and scopes. - drop about 7 immortals and get in 5 tomblades with vanes, gauss and scopes I say drop immortals for tomblades because I really think that tomblades are "the better immortals".Id get in AS MANY tomblades as possible. (as many models as you own). If just going vanes, the tomblades are faster than immortals, have HoW, have TL AND have toughness of 5...all for just 3 points more. The scopes are a nice additional bonus if you wanna spend the points. |
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| Akar | May 26 2015, 03:18 AM Post #3 |
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We're all Maelstrom Addicts around here, so 3 Obsec is natural for me, and I dislike MSU Troops, but that's preference. I do have another alternate list, where I drop BOTH Nightscythes, take the Praetorians up to 7 ea, and Toss in 7 Bikes. I still keep the Judicator, but I really want to play around with Praetorians IN a Nightscythe so see if there is any tactical reason to not allow them in there. I still don't buy into the 'Raw says they can't' BS, and my group agrees. |
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| Dawnstrider | May 26 2015, 04:53 AM Post #4 |
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If your worried about a low body count, your friend Szeras can help with the durability of what you have left. Both his bubble RP bonus and augmentation. Also, his doom stick will help offset any firepower loss from dropping a Night Scythe if you have to. I like the Praetorian idea largely because if low body count is a concern, have more fearless models will be helpful. I have only got 5 of my Praetorians built and still have an unopened box I haven't got around to yet, but you can use them if you want. Just let me know when. |
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| Akar | May 26 2015, 06:13 AM Post #5 |
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Thx Dawnstrider. I've had some changes going on and I'm still homeless right now so they're all packed up. That and I still need to get the 3rd box from Rog. So everything is on hold right now, I'm still theorycrafting. |
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| Nakahed | May 26 2015, 10:16 AM Post #6 |
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Here's my 2000 list Warriorless :) Destroyer Cult (3x3 Destroyers + Deskolord) Canoptek hervest (Spider + 3 wright + 8 Scarabs) Jułdicator batalion (Stalker + 5 Pretorians rod + 5 pretorians rod) Deathmarks (10) Nightbringer Anihilation Barge (2) Edited by Nakahed, May 26 2015, 10:31 AM.
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| Akar | May 26 2015, 04:59 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks for your suggestion Naka. Heres a list of what I have and why I won't do that. It's just out of my budget for the time being and I really don't need to add more. That and I'm not going to be that guy to buy models to play a list I DON'T really want to play, just to prove a point. I'm doing this because it's a game, and I don't mind playing something else with what I have. Szeras, Imotekh, 2 Obyron, Various Lords, 2 Crypteks 100 Warriors (Metal Orig) 30 Immortals (Metal Orig) 20 Flayed Ones (Another 20 MIA) 18 Scarab Bases (Metal Orig) 12 Wraiths (Metal Orig, 1 NIB) 10 Necron Destroyers (Old Metal Proxy as Tomb Blades), 4 are being Stripped 4 Converted Necron Destroyers, In pieces soon to be fixed 2 Tomb Spyders (Metal, 1 NIB) Deceiver Conversion, and a Generic C'Tan 2 Annhilation Barges 2 Ghost Arks 2 Triarch Stalkers (Option for HGC, or Particle) 2 Nightscythes 1 Converted - Mindshackled Vindicare Assassin On the Table 10 Praetorians (Still in Box, waiting for 3rd box and conversion bits to make the 14 I plan to use.) - Bits for a Destroyer Lord. ----- I'll probably never use DCult since I haven't liked Destroyers since they changed them from being Jetbikes, and still feel that the DLORD is pretty much useless. So, I'm not going to spend money on something I don't ever intend to field. The 4 I have is something I'll play with as I spend more time on CADs, and away from the Decurion. I really like Deathmarks, but probably won't fiend them either. Not because they're bad, but because I'd be adding more shooting, when I clearly have more shooting to ever field in most games. (Even my 4000 pt list I have made up isn't using all the models) I also think they got nerfed in this dex, with the Wardcron DM's being much more useful. Might look at them again down the road, but 2 Monoliths and Lychguard would probably come first. I don't like Canoptek Harvest. I've had the discussion with quite a few people, and don't want to debate it here. I still feel that Wraiths got a MUCH needed buff, but they're still not really worth fielding. Especially now since we have better options. I used them in the Wardcron Codex for events, because they were easy to use, and the most points effective. Friendly games, I still fielded Flayed Ones. They went in the list above because they will fill their role there the best. They'll make my opponent think about coming near me and committing one of his units to them for the rest of the game, that's about it. I have no issue running them, let me be clear on that. Like Annihilation Barges, I just don't expect them to do much. ----- Reason I am enjoying this challenge is that I'm not used to running low count armies with my Crons. I have Ravenwing, so I'm not opposed to the idea, but they're all T5 with a 3+ Save that can't be swept in Combat. In 3rd Ed, when Warriors were 18 pts and had the 3+ Save, I still ran a minimum of 45 Warriors. Then the Wardcron Dex turned us into a Horde Army from a MEQ army. 45 Warriors was STILL a pretty good Core, and I often ran 4-5 Units of them. Even now, they're still the best unit in the Codex. Even my current 1k even has 60 models on it with 36 of them being Warriors. If people have an issue playing it as a Decurion, I just run it as a CAD and still do fine. Immortals are outside of my Comfort Zone, because in 3rd, they were an Elite choice and a great Support or Vanguard unit to Warriors. I still view them that way. Not gonna lie, I do miss the 28 point T5 Immortals with an Assault 2 24" S5 AP4 gun. I still see them as a Support unit to Warriors. Becoming so comfortable with Warriors, I don't think they have the backbone to support themselves. If I were to run a 2 MIN Troop choice and load up on other goodies, then I'd probably take them as the 2 required Troop Choice and put a Cryptek in one. Prob never going to happen, since 'Unbound' is a thing, or we can just take any combination of the various Detachments for those who still fear 'Unbound'. Edited by Akar, May 26 2015, 05:01 PM.
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| sgc8647 | May 26 2015, 09:33 PM Post #8 |
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Flayed One
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I ma curious about your warrior list. Would you mind providing it please ? |
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| Akar | May 27 2015, 04:04 AM Post #9 |
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Which one SGC? The 1k or the 1.5k?
Edited by Akar, May 27 2015, 04:04 AM.
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| sgc8647 | May 27 2015, 01:57 PM Post #10 |
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Both :) |
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| Akar | May 27 2015, 04:22 PM Post #11 |
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I set up a different thread for them then, since it's off topic from these lists. |
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