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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 7 2017, 08:22 PM (847 Views) | |
| Quinten87 | Aug 7 2017, 08:22 PM Post #1 |
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As stated in the topic this is a list for a decently large tournament (something like 40+ spots) so please be very critical if you see flaws: Battalion: CCB, TC, WS CCB, TC, WS 10 Immortals, Tesla 10 Immortals, Tesla 10 Immortals, Tesla Spearhead: Cryptek, SoL AB, TC AB, TC Pylon, GE, Teleporter Outrider: CCB, TC, WS 5 Scarabs 6 Scarabs 3 Scarabs 3 Scarabs Super Heavy Auxillary: Gauss Pylon 8 CP 15 Drops 2248pts Edited by Quinten87, Aug 9 2017, 05:30 AM.
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| Quinten87 | Aug 23 2017, 08:04 PM Post #41 |
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30 day rule is in effect so it's only going to be indexes. Therefore I'm not too worried about Dreadknights specifically but I get what you mean. Like I said I'm not totally against the idea but all the FW models I have (I scratch built all the FW stuff too expensive to get in Canada) are in this list. It takes about 13 business days to ship it here and I'm not scratch building a pylon in two days. |
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| Cyn | Aug 23 2017, 08:39 PM Post #42 |
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Well the really stupid thing is that FW don't even sell the HC Sentry Pylon anymore. Nor do they even sell the gun part seperately. So there's no 'legal' way for a new player to even take one! How did you scratch build the Pylons? I've been looking at inexpensive ways of adding a few to my army. And are they tournament legal? |
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| Quinten87 | Aug 23 2017, 11:17 PM Post #43 |
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The Sentry Pylons are the right size (about 5 1/2" tall and 5" in diameter including the little legs). Essentially I made them out of 1/4" plywood and bits for a doomsday cannon (all things you would have left over from a making a ghost ark). As for tournament legal, I would ask the TO in question. If scratch built models are allowed they do look pretty good and so would probably be okayed but if it's a stricter no-conversions type policy they are definitely getting rejected. The Gauss Pylon is also built to the same size as the real model. I pretty much did what this guy did: Gauss Pylon As for tournament legal, I would say pretty much the same thing as the sentry pylons. |
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| Death1942 | Aug 24 2017, 12:29 AM Post #44 |
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Were you playing with the updated FAQ where it is only a +1 to the going first roll? Once that changed I found the number of deployments mattered considerably less. |
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| Quinten87 | Aug 24 2017, 02:58 AM Post #45 |
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Yes but that rule is the only ITC change not in effect for the tournament. |
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| deth110 | Aug 24 2017, 06:57 PM Post #46 |
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In a list where you already have a gauss pylon that can easily deal with the heavier tanks, I would agree that the HC is a better choice because you'll want to be able to focus down transports like rhinos. In that case you're sacrificing 12" for D6 shots hitting on 3s rather than 2 hiyting on 4s (you can always reroll the d6 too). And lets be honest, 12" isnt going to save you from a lascannon that often. |
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| Quinten87 | Aug 25 2017, 03:52 AM Post #47 |
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I miscounted my lists points and needed to hot fix the list. Here's the final one disregarding some miraculous change that pops into my head: Battalion: Catacomb Command Barge, Tesla Cannon, Warscythe Catacomb Command Barge, Tesla Cannon, Warscythe 9 Immortals, Tesla Carbine 9 Immortals, Tesla Carbine 10 Immortals, Tesla Carbine Spearhead: Cryptek, SoL 3 Heavy Destroyers Sentry Pylon, Gauss Exterminator Sentry Pylon, Gauss Exterminator Outrider: Catacomb Command Barge, Tesla Cannon, Warscythe (Warlord: Tenacious Survivor) 4 Scarabs 5 Scarabs 5 Scarabs Super Heavy Auxiliary: Gauss Pylon 8 CP 14 Drops 2248pts |
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| shadow | Aug 25 2017, 06:41 AM Post #48 |
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I think it would be worth shaving off a couple of scarab to make the immortals units of 10. You're paying enough for the ccb might as well make the most of the boost |
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| Death1942 | Aug 28 2017, 02:07 AM Post #49 |
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I second this, grabbing those 2 extra immortals is well worth it. |
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| Quinten87 | Aug 28 2017, 03:35 AM Post #50 |
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I guess I should update this. I've already played the tournament, thanks for all the help. It's funny that both of you mention grabbing the 2 extra Immortals as without reading these comments it was a change I made on the morning of the tournament (I dropped 3 scarabs for 2 Immortals). The tournament ended up being a little smaller due to people no-showing but nobody whom I would consider to be pretty good no-showed so there was still lots of competition. I ended up going 2-2 winning my first 19-0, losing the second 19-3, winning the third 12-6, and losing the fourth (it was a really weird mission as the TO forgot to print off the fourth mission and made one up, it was fairly close and we both slaughtered each other's armies). The list performed fairly well and I made an extremely costly mistake in the second game That resulted in me killing 5 scouts instead of 10 death company. The guy that I played second is a very good player (I think ranked very close to first in blood angles players in the ITC) so I don't feel too bad about losing to him. I never went first which kind of sucks and put me at a bit of a disadvantage (especially on missions that used first blood instead of first strike). The Sentry Pylons often just got shot off the table before they could do anything and I have to agree that HC and deep-striking would have been a better option although I don't know where I would find the points. For the Heavy Destroyers, it was a similar story although they often got at least one turn to shoot due to being able to hide. These are the two things I would definitely replace in future lists. The Gauss Pylon was stupidly good killing more than it was worth every single game. In the last game, it killed a Stormraven, Sister Celestine (the second time), Robby G., and a Predator with Lascannons. That was essentially half his army. It should have killed a stormtalon but I rolled triple ones. |
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| Banshee | Aug 28 2017, 06:24 AM Post #51 |
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Well done! I hope you'll share you ideas with us. I guess it was too few wounds on Heavy Destroyers and Sentry Pylons (with no QS to compensate) which made those units a priority targets. Even Rhino is more resilent with its quite low cost... |
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| Death1942 | Aug 29 2017, 12:36 AM Post #52 |
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Well done on the result! Interesting views on the heavy destroyers. Would you be replacing them with a doomsday ark? I find that every army I play has a unit that will always be prioritised and blown off the board early and while you might never get to see its full potential it is still worth taking as it frees up the rest of your forces. For my Necron lists it seems like my Triarch Stalkers are usually targeted first. |
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| deth110 | Aug 29 2017, 01:29 AM Post #53 |
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Thats an idea to play around with. A unit design just to draw fire. Kinda like what wraiths use to do? |
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| Quinten87 | Aug 29 2017, 02:57 AM Post #54 |
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I wouldn't mind my opponent shooting at my Triarch Stalkers though. Compared to Sentry Pylons and Heavy Destroyers it is quite durable for its points since it has QS. |
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| Death1942 | Aug 31 2017, 02:18 AM Post #55 |
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I haven't managed any 8th games with the plyons but have you tried putting the heavies and the plyons out of line of sight for turn 1? Obviously it depends on the opponent but I found that a lot would ignore anything they couldn't get to on turn 1 so placing them in hard to reach places meant they focused on other units. For example I tend to space out scarabs within my deployment zone to block off deep strikes, or I sit a nasty unit next to the heavies so the return fire is brutal against anything that wants those heavies dead. The way my lists are set up I am usually ok if my opponents decides to go all in on a unit of heavy destroyers. I lose 225 points and some of my AT shots but I can cover for that with the rest of my list. |
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| Quinten87 | Aug 31 2017, 03:03 AM Post #56 |
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Obviously, the heavies are out of sight for turn 1 if at all possible. Pylons are trickier as they are bigger, only have move 3 and suffer -1 if they move. |
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