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2000pts vs Marines
Topic Started: Sep 8 2017, 10:37 PM (598 Views)
Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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Hey all overlords and cryptek.
I gonna play against a friends in sunday.
This is a list I gonna play. Tell me what you Think.


++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Necrons) [56 PL, 1034pts] ++

+ HQ +

Destroyer Lord [8 PL, 135pts]: Warscythe

+ Fast Attack +

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 52pts]: 4x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 65pts]: 5x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 65pts]: 5x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Wraiths [12 PL, 228pts]: 6x Canoptek Wraith

Destroyers [12 PL, 264pts]
. 3x Destroyer: 3x Gauss Cannon
. Heavy Destroyer: Heavy Gauss Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Heavy Destroyers [12 PL, 225pts]
. 3x Heavy Destroyer: 3x Heavy Gauss Cannon

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Necrons) [57 PL, 966pts] ++

+ HQ +

Cryptek [6 PL, 104pts]: Staff of Light

Overlord [7 PL, 112pts]: Warscythe

+ Troops +

Immortals [8 PL, 136pts]: Gauss Blaster, 8x Immortal

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 192pts]: 16x Necron Warrior

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 192pts]: 16x Necron Warrior

+ Elites +

C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer [12 PL, 230pts]: Power of the C'tan: Antimatter Meteor

++ Total: [113 PL, 2000pts] ++

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Death1942
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I would drop the nightbringer to a deceiver and take a warrior squad of 20 (just drop the other one down to 12). Drop the destroyer lord (not worth the points in my opinion) and a few scarab bases and take a catacomb command barge with a warscythe and gauss instead.

If you roll a 1 on the teleport you grab the deceiver and the 20 warriors and rapid fire something turn 1. If you roll 2, grab the wraiths as well and if you roll 3 grab the cryptek to protect the warrior blob. Turn 1 (if you get it even better) you are unloading 40 shots into something and moving around the deceiver and wraiths for a nasty turn 2 charge.

Other than that I think you are slightly low on AT shots. You only have 4 total proper AT shots and will be relying on good to wound rolls on the rest of your army to deal with vehicles. I would be worried if the marines bring a landraider or flyer, you will struggle to eliminate one vehicle threat per turn.
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Commander_Sune
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How did your game go and what did you face?
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Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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His kid got sick. So no game :'(
But gonna play this saturday.
I might do some changes to the list.
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Asavar88
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Death1942
Sep 12 2017, 02:42 AM
I would drop the nightbringer to a deceiver and take a warrior squad of 20 (just drop the other one down to 12). Drop the destroyer lord (not worth the points in my opinion) and a few scarab bases and take a catacomb command barge with a warscythe and gauss instead.

If you roll a 1 on the teleport you grab the deceiver and the 20 warriors and rapid fire something turn 1. If you roll 2, grab the wraiths as well and if you roll 3 grab the cryptek to protect the warrior blob. Turn 1 (if you get it even better) you are unloading 40 shots into something and moving around the deceiver and wraiths for a nasty turn 2 charge.

Other than that I think you are slightly low on AT shots. You only have 4 total proper AT shots and will be relying on good to wound rolls on the rest of your army to deal with vehicles. I would be worried if the marines bring a landraider or flyer, you will struggle to eliminate one vehicle threat per turn.
I agree with most of this, although I'd take Tesla on the Command Barge so he can always fire.

Do you have a Triarch Stalker? Work well guarding a flank and supporting your slower infantry. They can also put a lot of pain on vehicles, especially when followed up by Gauss Blaster/Flayer shots.

You could consider dropping the Overlord in the battalion back to a lord, unless you're super keen on the second MWBD.

I hope your game goes well, when you get around to it!
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Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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Did some changes.
Dont have the deciver or command barge.
So made this one.
++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Necrons) [72 PL, 1299pts] ++

+ HQ +

Cryptek [6 PL, 104pts]: Staff of Light

Overlord [7 PL, 112pts]: Warscythe

+ Troops +

Immortals [8 PL, 170pts]: Gauss Blaster, 10x Immortal

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 192pts]: 16x Necron Warrior

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 192pts]: 16x Necron Warrior

+ Elites +

Triarch Stalker [8 PL, 158pts]: Particle Shredder

+ Heavy Support +

Annihilation Barge [7 PL, 146pts]: Tesla Cannon

Heavy Destroyers [12 PL, 225pts]
. 3x Heavy Destroyer: 3x Heavy Gauss Cannon

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Necrons) [39 PL, 696pts] ++

+ HQ +

Overlord [7 PL, 112pts]: Warscythe

+ Fast Attack +

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 65pts]: 5x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 65pts]: 5x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Wraiths [12 PL, 190pts]: 5x Canoptek Wraith

Destroyers [12 PL, 264pts]
. 3x Destroyer: 3x Gauss Cannon
. Heavy Destroyer: Heavy Gauss Cannon

++ Total: [111 PL, 1995pts] ++

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Death1942
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Looks ok, I don't really rate particle shredders so if you can upgrade it to the heavy gauss (for more anti tank) or the heat ray then I say do it.

Also as I said above a 20 man warrior blob with a cryptek is really difficult to remove, I think a 20 man and a 12 man unit is better than 2 16 man units but that is not really something overly critical in the long run. Basically it is harder to shoot off 20 warriors backed up by a cryptek than it is to shoot off 16.
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Commander_Sune
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I like the idea of your list, but I think you are trying to squeeze in too much.
What is the main intent for your army. Focus on that first.
Do you really need the Outrider detachment or are the synergy between the Wraiths, Destroyers and 2 Scarab units important? If you remove it you save points on the Overlord.

If you keep the as they are, these are my suggestions.
Death1942 has a good point with the Warriors. 20 of them is a good size.
If you replace one squad of warriors with 5 tesla Immortals and up the other quad to 20.
Then drop one Wraith (think about what the function is for the Wraiths, do you really need 5 of them?).
Now you have the points to add another Destroyer (recommended to have a unit of 5 or 6) and upgrade the Stalker to gauss.
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Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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I got my CCB to day. So gonna use that.
I Will also skip the outrider detachment. Just gonna go with the battalion.
Gonna take a units of 20 warriors and gauss on stalker.
I might be able to glue some more warriors so the 2nd unit get up to 19 warriors. Or I just fix up 1 more destroyer.
Will come back 2 morrow with list.
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Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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So this is the army i used against DA and got a victory. :monolith:


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Necrons) [108 PL, 2000pts] ++

+ HQ +

Catacomb Command Barge [10 PL, 169pts]: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe

Cryptek [6 PL, 104pts]: Staff of Light

+ Troops +

Immortals [8 PL, 170pts]: Gauss Blaster, 10x Immortal

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 240pts]: 20x Necron Warrior

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 144pts]: 12x Necron Warrior

+ Elites +

Triarch Stalker [8 PL, 181pts]: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Canoptek Scarabs [6 PL, 104pts]: 8x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Wraiths [12 PL, 190pts]: 5x Canoptek Wraith

Destroyers [15 PL, 327pts]
. 4x Destroyer: 4x Gauss Cannon
. Heavy Destroyer: Heavy Gauss Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Annihilation Barge [7 PL, 146pts]: Tesla Cannon

Heavy Destroyers [12 PL, 225pts]
. 3x Heavy Destroyer: 3x Heavy Gauss Cannon

++ Total: [108 PL, 2000pts] ++

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Commander_Sune
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Well done!
Looks like a solid list.
What worked and what didn't and are you going to make any changes for the next game?
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Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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Heavy destroyers did work well. But the normal destroyers didnt preform at all.
Wraiths did lock units in combat so they did what they supposed to do.
All the rest did ok.

So if I did any change I might take more Heavy destroyers instead of destroyers. Then use the rest of the points to make the 12 warrior unit bigger.
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Commander_Sune
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Yeah, S5 multiple wound weapons that costs 20p are meh. Did the Destroyer and Heavy destroyer unit live long?
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Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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Yeah both units survived the battle.
I might add a DDA instead of the destroyer unit.
Edited by Dempaattack, Sep 17 2017, 07:30 PM.
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Tlind
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Destroyers really could use something to give them reroll to wound like they had in the cult in 7th
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Sparky
Canoptek Scarab
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They still do (kinda). Bring the DLord with them, for the reroll of 1's to wound (shooting only).
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Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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The problem is that a D.lords cost is to high.
Im looking at a new list again. But this time more warriors. And a Ghost ark as support.
Or I go for this list.

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Necrons) [105 PL, 2000pts] ++

+ HQ +

Catacomb Command Barge [10 PL, 169pts]: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe

Cryptek [6 PL, 104pts]: Staff of Light

+ Troops +

Immortals [8 PL, 170pts]: Gauss Blaster, 10x Immortal

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 240pts]: 20x Necron Warrior

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 216pts]: 18x Necron Warrior

+ Elites +

I have found that scarabs are awsome screen units.

Triarch Stalker [8 PL, 181pts]: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 78pts]: 6x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 78pts]: 6x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Wraiths [12 PL, 190pts]: 5x Canoptek Wraith

+ Heavy Support +

Annihilation Barge [7 PL, 146pts]: Tesla Cannon

Doomsday Ark [10 PL, 203pts]

Heavy Destroyers [12 PL, 225pts]
. 3x Heavy Destroyer: 3x Heavy Gauss Cannon

++ Total: [105 PL, 2000pts] ++

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Edited by Dempaattack, Sep 19 2017, 09:35 PM.
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Death1942
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Awesome list! Only thing I would look to change is swap the Immortals to Tesla and keep them with the CCB, that way the buff lets you hit on 2s and Tesla for extra hits on 5s and 6s.
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Commander_Sune
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Perhaps you might be able to squeeze in a Ghost Ark instead of the Annihilation Barge?
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Dempaattack
Canoptek Scarab
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If I want a Ghost ark

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Necrons) [106 PL, 2000pts] ++

+ HQ +

Catacomb Command Barge [10 PL, 169pts]: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe

Cryptek [6 PL, 104pts]: Staff of Light

+ Troops +

Immortals [8 PL, 170pts]: Gauss Blaster, 10x Immortal

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 240pts]: 20x Necron Warrior

Necron Warriors [12 PL, 192pts]: 16x Necron Warrior

+ Elites +

Triarch Stalker [8 PL, 181pts]: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 78pts]: 6x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Scarabs [4 PL, 78pts]: 6x Canoptek Scarab Swarm

Canoptek Wraiths [12 PL, 190pts]: 5x Canoptek Wraith

+ Heavy Support +

Doomsday Ark [10 PL, 203pts]

Heavy Destroyers [12 PL, 225pts]
. 3x Heavy Destroyer: 3x Heavy Gauss Cannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Ghost Ark [8 PL, 170pts]

++ Total: [106 PL, 2000pts] ++

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