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Can I just say I like Felicity less after last week's episode? I kind of hope Moira takes her down.
I liked reading the thoughts on Laurel and it made me realize why I connect with Laurel so well. I had tried to put it into words before, but I think I can do a better job now. She seems more honest and real to me. She is dealing with a lot and is dealing with her own pain differently than others. Of course she feels abandoned and she also hates herself. She doesn't blame the hood for Tommy's death anymore. She blames herself and has turned to pills and booze. I agree with how she feels rejected by her father because he rejected her when he turned to booze after Sara's "death". She tried to help him, but he pushed her away. Now she's the one with the addiction, denies she needs help, and he's coming in trying to help. She is reminded of the times he rejected her help and it pushes her away further. She has forgiven Oliver, but with Tommy's death, she is most likely reminded of Sara's death and that's why she pushes him away - it's about Sara's death. With knowing Sara is alive, she now has that stripped away. Laurel has every right to be pissed at Sara. Sara is an awful sister and I really wish she would actually die. Also, I have lost major respect for Oliver after he kissed Sara at the end of last week.
Felicity and Laurel deserve better than Oliver. I really did like Felicity and Barry, but he's getting his own show...
Seriously? You like Felicity less? I can't say I feel the same way. I certainly despise Moira more though. Lawd, I had no idea it would turn out this way, that I would wind up hating her character, Moira. I actually think she is a great actress but when I find out how complicit she is with Malcolm Merlyn, I actually don't view her as a victim. It just seems like there is way more to this story (we've only scratched the surface, you know?) I think eventually they will begin to weave Malcolm "The OverLord of Starling City/Dark Archer" and see just how much he and Moira were involved. Well just how deep there connection is/goes. I actually believe that as this storyarc goes on they might move Felicity out of Ollie's orbit. Well, making her more a subordinate then a possible "love interest" for now. I actually think it might be for the best at this point in the story. I feel like the most intriguing love stories are built on friendships first and those are the ones that last. Versus ones that are built on deception and lies: "Lauvier". They have too much "dishonesty and mistrust" go back and make this really work as a legimate relationship. Granted, they might give it a go for awhile and it might seem "ok and right" but in the long run they won't have what it takes to make it. They never have and that's why it failed the first time around, she used her father as a "tool" to get rid of her sister. Then after that she tried to rope in Ollie (I say in a more subliminal way - pressure him) into moving in and getting engaged. What did Ollie do? He ran and went on a boat trip with her sister, (to escape Laurel and any type of commitment to her) who did he really wanted to be with, not Laurel but Sarah. This is why they will always be destined to fail. Laurel was never Oliver's 1st choice and when you aren't a man/woman's first choice, that doesn't bode well for being #1 in there heart, mind, or a priority in there life. I understand you're point on Laurel's addictions and how her sister's death, Tommy's death, even Ollie's death (and coming back to life) has effected her. On top of all that, she's had to deal with a father who's had severe addictions issues to cope with this loss, a mother who concentrated on all her attention and time "finding the supposed dead daughter". There were many ocassions that Laurel has turned to her father and tried to help him to attend meetings, get help. He turned her away. What is very interesting though, why Laurel is doing all of this, why she feels the need to "punish herself", why she feels the "need to take the blame"? It imho goes deeper then Sara, I think it also focuses on the fact she lost Sara, blamed herself, plus she blamed herself for loosing Ollie. Now that Sarah is alive, all the attention and love that was focused on Laurel, has know been shifted back onto "favored daughter" Sarah. Laurel is not only bitter, numb but 100% resentful. I totally get that but I honestly thought she'd be a little stronger and not turn to drugs as a coping mechanism. I thought it would be something like: men/sex or even shifting right into the storyarc of: being a vigilante/Black Canary. I will never understand why Ollie goes back to rebounds so much, remember that chic, the cop (McKenna). He did it with every relationship so far I've seen him in. He did it with Laurel as well until they realized the "Undertaking" took place and Tommy died as a result. They pulled away and grieved in different ways.
I don't think Moira is the victim. I think Felicity is messed up for even confronting her with the issue thus putting Oliver in the position where he has to lie to his sister. Oliver blamed his mother for making a liar out of him, but she is not the one who put him in that position. It was all Felicity. Laurel should resent her sister and has every right to. Sara kept the fact that she was with Oliver when Laurel believed he was her future. Sara could have told her sister the truth, but she didn't. I also don't think at this point Laurel has an addiction problem. She had a lapse in judgment because of the guilt she feels for Tommy's death.
I see what you're saying. But I think Moira is 100% in the wrong for being involved and letting Malcolm Merlyn, dictating "what will be" with her life and her daughter's life. In that logical sense, by blackmailing her all these years and for me that makes her a victim. When you aren't a victim, you stand up to the bully and let them know, "This is going to stop and you aren't going to control my life and tell me how it's going to be anymore." Therefore, Malcolm always held that power over Moira making her his victim. I wanted to tell you that I re-watched an episode where Moira threathens Malcolm on Thursday night. She threathens him with Ra Gul and the "League of Assassins" who is Nessa's father. Do you remember the girl who came back to get Sara in the last episode that aired? 2x13 "Heir to the Demon" (They had a relationship going? Nessa and Sara. Ollie was surprised by it, seriously get a grip Ollie - anyway.) Malcolm had broken into the library of the manison. Moira told Malcolm that she got in touch with an old friend of his Ra Gul - and he was quite surprised to here that Malcolm was "still alive." Malcolm was unnerved by the fact that Moira had the balls to go and contact his enemy (to protect there daughter and keep Thea from knowing that Malcolm was her father) but he indirectly threathened her and left. Finally Moira stopped being Malcolm's victim in this episode, she decided what she wanted to fight for and that was her family. Her daughter and she was going to protect her at all costs. Malcolm was really pissed and he told her "This isn't over." (We know it's not!) SO, I am guessing we are going to see Arrow vs. Slade and also Malcolm Merlyn vs. The League of Assasins this season? Plus a possible mix of in fighting? Now - do we see eye to eye on Laurel's addiction issues, I believe she does have a problem. Well right now to deal with the pain and problems she is going thru. Everyone has a different way of coping, is this temporary? I am thinking probably yes. Why, because they are going to move her into a new storyarc of replacing her sister Sara as the "Black Canary". Helping people, fighting the enemies of Starling City, forming a new friendship bond with the vigilante (Green Arrow) and Team Arrow (Diggle, Felicity, Roy and Thea) will probably go a long way. I think this will probably be gradual though. I don't believe she will be friendly and open with them at first. She will start fighting (solo) and then eventually team up with them as the season winds down. Back to the plot point reasons from the story - Laurel arranged everything from her father breaking up the party (that Ollie had at his club that Sara was in attendance of) to intefere from Sara and Ollie to being together. While I do agree with you, Sara should have distanced herself from him. (I mean she is Laurel's sister, you don't steal you're sister's boyfriend. Cardinal unspoken rule). BUT in the long run it seems Laurel was forcing something that just wasn't there. I'm not saying that Ollie didn't have real feelings for her but they weren't strong enough - to resist temptation, to give Laurel a real lasting commitment. Again, I think Sara was wrong but when it's not there it's not there. But then again, Laurel had to sense something was "seriously flawed" in their relationship - to keep forcing things. If someone really loves you, won't they suggest things too? Why wasn't Ollie eagerly saying "Why don't we get married? Why don't we buy a house?" Again Ollie is a set of damaged goods himself but deep down, he wants love just as much as someone else. I am thinking (eventually) definitely not in the current storyarc, if he met the right person, he would be able to commit. I guess I am still missing the part where Laurel was aware of Sara and Oliver's affair. I don't see her as pushing either. She talked to Sara about moving in (which Oliver agreed to do). Then Sara asked her if marriage was in the cards and Laurel said she wasn't sure but it was a possibility. Laurel didn't really want to push it.
Yeah, Moira stood up to Malcolm. I think Moira got used to taking care of things a certain way when she was under Malcolm's thumb and that is why she approached Felicity by threatening her. Felicity pretty much threatened her family when she confronted Moira about Thea. How did Felicity think Moira would respond? That's big news to drop on Thea after everything has happened. Felicity didn't think of the position she would put Oliver in by telling him. If she was set on telling him she should have told him in private. Not a public and crowded place.
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Can I just say I like Felicity less after last week's episode? I kind of hope Moira takes her down.
I liked reading the thoughts on Laurel and it made me realize why I connect with Laurel so well. I had tried to put it into words before, but I think I can do a better job now. She seems more honest and real to me. She is dealing with a lot and is dealing with her own pain differently than others. Of course she feels abandoned and she also hates herself. She doesn't blame the hood for Tommy's death anymore. She blames herself and has turned to pills and booze. I agree with how she feels rejected by her father because he rejected her when he turned to booze after Sara's "death". She tried to help him, but he pushed her away. Now she's the one with the addiction, denies she needs help, and he's coming in trying to help. She is reminded of the times he rejected her help and it pushes her away further. She has forgiven Oliver, but with Tommy's death, she is most likely reminded of Sara's death and that's why she pushes him away - it's about Sara's death. With knowing Sara is alive, she now has that stripped away. Laurel has every right to be pissed at Sara. Sara is an awful sister and I really wish she would actually die. Also, I have lost major respect for Oliver after he kissed Sara at the end of last week.
Felicity and Laurel deserve better than Oliver. I really did like Felicity and Barry, but he's getting his own show...
Seriously? You like Felicity less? I can't say I feel the same way. I certainly despise Moira more though. Lawd, I had no idea it would turn out this way, that I would wind up hating her character, Moira. I actually think she is a great actress but when I find out how complicit she is with Malcolm Merlyn, I actually don't view her as a victim. It just seems like there is way more to this story (we've only scratched the surface, you know?) I think eventually they will begin to weave Malcolm "The OverLord of Starling City/Dark Archer" and see just how much he and Moira were involved. Well just how deep there connection is/goes. I actually believe that as this storyarc goes on they might move Felicity out of Ollie's orbit. Well, making her more a subordinate then a possible "love interest" for now. I actually think it might be for the best at this point in the story. I feel like the most intriguing love stories are built on friendships first and those are the ones that last. Versus ones that are built on deception and lies: "Lauvier". They have too much "dishonesty and mistrust" go back and make this really work as a legimate relationship. Granted, they might give it a go for awhile and it might seem "ok and right" but in the long run they won't have what it takes to make it. They never have and that's why it failed the first time around, she used her father as a "tool" to get rid of her sister. Then after that she tried to rope in Ollie (I say in a more subliminal way - pressure him) into moving in and getting engaged. What did Ollie do? He ran and went on a boat trip with her sister, (to escape Laurel and any type of commitment to her) who did he really wanted to be with, not Laurel but Sarah. This is why they will always be destined to fail. Laurel was never Oliver's 1st choice and when you aren't a man/woman's first choice, that doesn't bode well for being #1 in there heart, mind, or a priority in there life. I understand you're point on Laurel's addictions and how her sister's death, Tommy's death, even Ollie's death (and coming back to life) has effected her. On top of all that, she's had to deal with a father who's had severe addictions issues to cope with this loss, a mother who concentrated on all her attention and time "finding the supposed dead daughter". There were many ocassions that Laurel has turned to her father and tried to help him to attend meetings, get help. He turned her away. What is very interesting though, why Laurel is doing all of this, why she feels the need to "punish herself", why she feels the "need to take the blame"? It imho goes deeper then Sara, I think it also focuses on the fact she lost Sara, blamed herself, plus she blamed herself for loosing Ollie. Now that Sarah is alive, all the attention and love that was focused on Laurel, has know been shifted back onto "favored daughter" Sarah. Laurel is not only bitter, numb but 100% resentful. I totally get that but I honestly thought she'd be a little stronger and not turn to drugs as a coping mechanism. I thought it would be something like: men/sex or even shifting right into the storyarc of: being a vigilante/Black Canary. I will never understand why Ollie goes back to rebounds so much, remember that chic, the cop (McKenna). He did it with every relationship so far I've seen him in. He did it with Laurel as well until they realized the "Undertaking" took place and Tommy died as a result. They pulled away and grieved in different ways.
I don't think Moira is the victim. I think Felicity is messed up for even confronting her with the issue thus putting Oliver in the position where he has to lie to his sister. Oliver blamed his mother for making a liar out of him, but she is not the one who put him in that position. It was all Felicity. Laurel should resent her sister and has every right to. Sara kept the fact that she was with Oliver when Laurel believed he was her future. Sara could have told her sister the truth, but she didn't. I also don't think at this point Laurel has an addiction problem. She had a lapse in judgment because of the guilt she feels for Tommy's death.
I see what you're saying. But I think Moira is 100% in the wrong for being involved and letting Malcolm Merlyn, dictating "what will be" with her life and her daughter's life. In that logical sense, by blackmailing her all these years and for me that makes her a victim. When you aren't a victim, you stand up to the bully and let them know, "This is going to stop and you aren't going to control my life and tell me how it's going to be anymore." Therefore, Malcolm always held that power over Moira making her his victim. I wanted to tell you that I re-watched an episode where Moira threathens Malcolm on Thursday night. She threathens him with Ra Gul and the "League of Assassins" who is Nessa's father. Do you remember the girl who came back to get Sara in the last episode that aired? 2x13 "Heir to the Demon" (They had a relationship going? Nessa and Sara. Ollie was surprised by it, seriously get a grip Ollie - anyway.) Malcolm had broken into the library of the manison. Moira told Malcolm that she got in touch with an old friend of his Ra Gul - and he was quite surprised to here that Malcolm was "still alive." Malcolm was unnerved by the fact that Moira had the balls to go and contact his enemy (to protect there daughter and keep Thea from knowing that Malcolm was her father) but he indirectly threathened her and left. Finally Moira stopped being Malcolm's victim in this episode, she decided what she wanted to fight for and that was her family. Her daughter and she was going to protect her at all costs. Malcolm was really pissed and he told her "This isn't over." (We know it's not!) SO, I am guessing we are going to see Arrow vs. Slade and also Malcolm Merlyn vs. The League of Assasins this season? Plus a possible mix of in fighting? Now - do we see eye to eye on Laurel's addiction issues, I believe she does have a problem. Well right now to deal with the pain and problems she is going thru. Everyone has a different way of coping, is this temporary? I am thinking probably yes. Why, because they are going to move her into a new storyarc of replacing her sister Sara as the "Black Canary". Helping people, fighting the enemies of Starling City, forming a new friendship bond with the vigilante (Green Arrow) and Team Arrow (Diggle, Felicity, Roy and Thea) will probably go a long way. I think this will probably be gradual though. I don't believe she will be friendly and open with them at first. She will start fighting (solo) and then eventually team up with them as the season winds down. Back to the plot point reasons from the story - Laurel arranged everything from her father breaking up the party (that Ollie had at his club that Sara was in attendance of) to intefere from Sara and Ollie to being together. While I do agree with you, Sara should have distanced herself from him. (I mean she is Laurel's sister, you don't steal you're sister's boyfriend. Cardinal unspoken rule). BUT in the long run it seems Laurel was forcing something that just wasn't there. I'm not saying that Ollie didn't have real feelings for her but they weren't strong enough - to resist temptation, to give Laurel a real lasting commitment. Again, I think Sara was wrong but when it's not there it's not there. But then again, Laurel had to sense something was "seriously flawed" in their relationship - to keep forcing things. If someone really loves you, won't they suggest things too? Why wasn't Ollie eagerly saying "Why don't we get married? Why don't we buy a house?" Again Ollie is a set of damaged goods himself but deep down, he wants love just as much as someone else. I am thinking (eventually) definitely not in the current storyarc, if he met the right person, he would be able to commit.
I guess I am still missing the part where Laurel was aware of Sara and Oliver's affair. I don't see her as pushing either. She talked to Sara about moving in (which Oliver agreed to do). Then Sara asked her if marriage was in the cards and Laurel said she wasn't sure but it was a possibility. Laurel didn't really want to push it. Yeah, Moira stood up to Malcolm. I think Moira got used to taking care of things a certain way when she was under Malcolm's thumb and that is why she approached Felicity by threatening her. Felicity pretty much threatened her family when she confronted Moira about Thea. How did Felicity think Moira would respond? That's big news to drop on Thea after everything has happened. Felicity didn't think of the position she would put Oliver in by telling him. If she was set on telling him she should have told him in private. Not a public and crowded place. As I said the show made it a "plot point" making us (the GA/fans) be aware of Laurel knowing about her sister's involvement with Ollie. If you give me a few minutes, I will try and remember what episode it was. I'm getting a brain freeze right now.
Regarding the whole Moira/Felicity/Ollie/Thea situation, it's a tricky one. Whose really to blame here? Who withheld the truth all this time and thought it was a form of protecting her family? Moira. Yes, she threathened Felicity (A tactic she learned from years of dealing with Malcolm but she is a shrewd person - when it comes to dealings of business and personal affairs. Then again, she also has this vulnerable side to her when it comes to her children and Walter.) We've seen her deal with Isabel Roscev regarding the company and then we've seen her try and shield her children from the backlash she feels she created from "The Undertaking". (Which was really all crazy psycho man's Malcolm Merlyn's doing.) Although, I am starting to see you're point about Felicity but I don't necessarily have to agree with it, right? Maybe, she should have picked a better time and place. Certainly, Ollie could have toned down his "drama and histronics" a bit also. He lies A LOT. He hides plenty of secrets. But in all fairness these secrets are to protect his loved ones and the innocent people of Starling City. Again, I understand why Felicity did what she did, was it wrong, maybe. But she really did have the best intentions at heart. She was trying to protect someone she thinks is her "family" - Ollie.
I think the episode could have been "Blind Spot" 2x11 when Sara tells Ollie about her father busting up his party. (Because they were there together.) She also offers a little more insight into the Lauvier relationship, Sara.
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I don't think Moira is the victim. I think Felicity is messed up for even confronting her with the issue thus putting Oliver in the position where he has to lie to his sister. Oliver blamed his mother for making a liar out of him, but she is not the one who put him in that position. It was all Felicity. Laurel should resent her sister and has every right to. Sara kept the fact that she was with Oliver when Laurel believed he was her future. Sara could have told her sister the truth, but she didn't. I also don't think at this point Laurel has an addiction problem. She had a lapse in judgment because of the guilt she feels for Tommy's death.
I see what you're saying. But I think Moira is 100% in the wrong for being involved and letting Malcolm Merlyn, dictating "what will be" with her life and her daughter's life. In that logical sense, by blackmailing her all these years and for me that makes her a victim. When you aren't a victim, you stand up to the bully and let them know, "This is going to stop and you aren't going to control my life and tell me how it's going to be anymore." Therefore, Malcolm always held that power over Moira making her his victim. I wanted to tell you that I re-watched an episode where Moira threathens Malcolm on Thursday night. She threathens him with Ra Gul and the "League of Assassins" who is Nessa's father. Do you remember the girl who came back to get Sara in the last episode that aired? 2x13 "Heir to the Demon" (They had a relationship going? Nessa and Sara. Ollie was surprised by it, seriously get a grip Ollie - anyway.) Malcolm had broken into the library of the manison. Moira told Malcolm that she got in touch with an old friend of his Ra Gul - and he was quite surprised to here that Malcolm was "still alive." Malcolm was unnerved by the fact that Moira had the balls to go and contact his enemy (to protect there daughter and keep Thea from knowing that Malcolm was her father) but he indirectly threathened her and left. Finally Moira stopped being Malcolm's victim in this episode, she decided what she wanted to fight for and that was her family. Her daughter and she was going to protect her at all costs. Malcolm was really pissed and he told her "This isn't over." (We know it's not!) SO, I am guessing we are going to see Arrow vs. Slade and also Malcolm Merlyn vs. The League of Assasins this season? Plus a possible mix of in fighting? Now - do we see eye to eye on Laurel's addiction issues, I believe she does have a problem. Well right now to deal with the pain and problems she is going thru. Everyone has a different way of coping, is this temporary? I am thinking probably yes. Why, because they are going to move her into a new storyarc of replacing her sister Sara as the "Black Canary". Helping people, fighting the enemies of Starling City, forming a new friendship bond with the vigilante (Green Arrow) and Team Arrow (Diggle, Felicity, Roy and Thea) will probably go a long way. I think this will probably be gradual though. I don't believe she will be friendly and open with them at first. She will start fighting (solo) and then eventually team up with them as the season winds down. Back to the plot point reasons from the story - Laurel arranged everything from her father breaking up the party (that Ollie had at his club that Sara was in attendance of) to intefere from Sara and Ollie to being together. While I do agree with you, Sara should have distanced herself from him. (I mean she is Laurel's sister, you don't steal you're sister's boyfriend. Cardinal unspoken rule). BUT in the long run it seems Laurel was forcing something that just wasn't there. I'm not saying that Ollie didn't have real feelings for her but they weren't strong enough - to resist temptation, to give Laurel a real lasting commitment. Again, I think Sara was wrong but when it's not there it's not there. But then again, Laurel had to sense something was "seriously flawed" in their relationship - to keep forcing things. If someone really loves you, won't they suggest things too? Why wasn't Ollie eagerly saying "Why don't we get married? Why don't we buy a house?" Again Ollie is a set of damaged goods himself but deep down, he wants love just as much as someone else. I am thinking (eventually) definitely not in the current storyarc, if he met the right person, he would be able to commit.
I guess I am still missing the part where Laurel was aware of Sara and Oliver's affair. I don't see her as pushing either. She talked to Sara about moving in (which Oliver agreed to do). Then Sara asked her if marriage was in the cards and Laurel said she wasn't sure but it was a possibility. Laurel didn't really want to push it. Yeah, Moira stood up to Malcolm. I think Moira got used to taking care of things a certain way when she was under Malcolm's thumb and that is why she approached Felicity by threatening her. Felicity pretty much threatened her family when she confronted Moira about Thea. How did Felicity think Moira would respond? That's big news to drop on Thea after everything has happened. Felicity didn't think of the position she would put Oliver in by telling him. If she was set on telling him she should have told him in private. Not a public and crowded place.
As I said the show made it a "plot point" making us (the GA/fans) be aware of Laurel knowing about her sister's involvement with Ollie. If you give me a few minutes, I will try and remember what episode it was. I'm getting a brain freeze right now. Regarding the whole Moira/Felicity/Ollie/Thea situation, it's a tricky one. Whose really to blame here? Who withheld the truth all this time and thought it was a form of protecting her family? Moira. Yes, she threathened Felicity (A tactic she learned from years of dealing with Malcolm but she is a shrewd person - when it comes to dealings of business and personal affairs. Then again, she also has this vulnerable side to her when it comes to her children and Walter.) We've seen her deal with Isabel Roscev regarding the company and then we've seen her try and shield her children from the backlash she feels she created from "The Undertaking". (Which was really all crazy psycho man's Malcolm Merlyn's doing.) Although, I am starting to see you're point about Felicity but I don't necessarily have to agree with it, right?  Maybe, she should have picked a better time and place. Certainly, Ollie could have toned down his "drama and histronics" a bit also. He lies A LOT. He hides plenty of secrets. But in all fairness these secrets are to protect his loved ones and the innocent people of Starling City. Again, I understand why Felicity did what she did, was it wrong, maybe. But she really did have the best intentions at heart. She was trying to protect someone she thinks is her "family" - Ollie. I think the episode could have been "Blind Spot" 2x11 when Sara tells Ollie about her father busting up his party. (Because they were there together.) She also offers a little more insight into the Lauvier relationship, Sara. I'll look the episode up.
Here's my thing with Felicity. I'm not entirely sure she did it for Oliver. I think she may have done it for selfish reasons. We got some insight on her history and she transferred her issues onto the Queen family. I think she did it for herself.
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I see what you're saying. But I think Moira is 100% in the wrong for being involved and letting Malcolm Merlyn, dictating "what will be" with her life and her daughter's life. In that logical sense, by blackmailing her all these years and for me that makes her a victim. When you aren't a victim, you stand up to the bully and let them know, "This is going to stop and you aren't going to control my life and tell me how it's going to be anymore." Therefore, Malcolm always held that power over Moira making her his victim. I wanted to tell you that I re-watched an episode where Moira threathens Malcolm on Thursday night. She threathens him with Ra Gul and the "League of Assassins" who is Nessa's father. Do you remember the girl who came back to get Sara in the last episode that aired? 2x13 "Heir to the Demon" (They had a relationship going? Nessa and Sara. Ollie was surprised by it, seriously get a grip Ollie - anyway.) Malcolm had broken into the library of the manison. Moira told Malcolm that she got in touch with an old friend of his Ra Gul - and he was quite surprised to here that Malcolm was "still alive." Malcolm was unnerved by the fact that Moira had the balls to go and contact his enemy (to protect there daughter and keep Thea from knowing that Malcolm was her father) but he indirectly threathened her and left. Finally Moira stopped being Malcolm's victim in this episode, she decided what she wanted to fight for and that was her family. Her daughter and she was going to protect her at all costs. Malcolm was really pissed and he told her "This isn't over." (We know it's not!) SO, I am guessing we are going to see Arrow vs. Slade and also Malcolm Merlyn vs. The League of Assasins this season? Plus a possible mix of in fighting? Now - do we see eye to eye on Laurel's addiction issues, I believe she does have a problem. Well right now to deal with the pain and problems she is going thru. Everyone has a different way of coping, is this temporary? I am thinking probably yes. Why, because they are going to move her into a new storyarc of replacing her sister Sara as the "Black Canary". Helping people, fighting the enemies of Starling City, forming a new friendship bond with the vigilante (Green Arrow) and Team Arrow (Diggle, Felicity, Roy and Thea) will probably go a long way. I think this will probably be gradual though. I don't believe she will be friendly and open with them at first. She will start fighting (solo) and then eventually team up with them as the season winds down. Back to the plot point reasons from the story - Laurel arranged everything from her father breaking up the party (that Ollie had at his club that Sara was in attendance of) to intefere from Sara and Ollie to being together. While I do agree with you, Sara should have distanced herself from him. (I mean she is Laurel's sister, you don't steal you're sister's boyfriend. Cardinal unspoken rule). BUT in the long run it seems Laurel was forcing something that just wasn't there. I'm not saying that Ollie didn't have real feelings for her but they weren't strong enough - to resist temptation, to give Laurel a real lasting commitment. Again, I think Sara was wrong but when it's not there it's not there. But then again, Laurel had to sense something was "seriously flawed" in their relationship - to keep forcing things. If someone really loves you, won't they suggest things too? Why wasn't Ollie eagerly saying "Why don't we get married? Why don't we buy a house?" Again Ollie is a set of damaged goods himself but deep down, he wants love just as much as someone else. I am thinking (eventually) definitely not in the current storyarc, if he met the right person, he would be able to commit.
I guess I am still missing the part where Laurel was aware of Sara and Oliver's affair. I don't see her as pushing either. She talked to Sara about moving in (which Oliver agreed to do). Then Sara asked her if marriage was in the cards and Laurel said she wasn't sure but it was a possibility. Laurel didn't really want to push it. Yeah, Moira stood up to Malcolm. I think Moira got used to taking care of things a certain way when she was under Malcolm's thumb and that is why she approached Felicity by threatening her. Felicity pretty much threatened her family when she confronted Moira about Thea. How did Felicity think Moira would respond? That's big news to drop on Thea after everything has happened. Felicity didn't think of the position she would put Oliver in by telling him. If she was set on telling him she should have told him in private. Not a public and crowded place.
As I said the show made it a "plot point" making us (the GA/fans) be aware of Laurel knowing about her sister's involvement with Ollie. If you give me a few minutes, I will try and remember what episode it was. I'm getting a brain freeze right now. Regarding the whole Moira/Felicity/Ollie/Thea situation, it's a tricky one. Whose really to blame here? Who withheld the truth all this time and thought it was a form of protecting her family? Moira. Yes, she threathened Felicity (A tactic she learned from years of dealing with Malcolm but she is a shrewd person - when it comes to dealings of business and personal affairs. Then again, she also has this vulnerable side to her when it comes to her children and Walter.) We've seen her deal with Isabel Roscev regarding the company and then we've seen her try and shield her children from the backlash she feels she created from "The Undertaking". (Which was really all crazy psycho man's Malcolm Merlyn's doing.) Although, I am starting to see you're point about Felicity but I don't necessarily have to agree with it, right?  Maybe, she should have picked a better time and place. Certainly, Ollie could have toned down his "drama and histronics" a bit also. He lies A LOT. He hides plenty of secrets. But in all fairness these secrets are to protect his loved ones and the innocent people of Starling City. Again, I understand why Felicity did what she did, was it wrong, maybe. But she really did have the best intentions at heart. She was trying to protect someone she thinks is her "family" - Ollie. I think the episode could have been "Blind Spot" 2x11 when Sara tells Ollie about her father busting up his party. (Because they were there together.) She also offers a little more insight into the Lauvier relationship, Sara.
I'll look the episode up. Here's my thing with Felicity. I'm not entirely sure she did it for Oliver. I think she may have done it for selfish reasons. We got some insight on her history and she transferred her issues onto the Queen family. I think she did it for herself. Yes, you should definitely look the episode up and watch it. You will see what I was trying to explain better then from a "Plot point perspective". Regarding Ollie/Sara/Laurel. Also, I heard and I am not sure which episode it's going to be (as it has not aired yet) that "Arrow" will be taking a deeper look for an episode into Felicity Smoak's family. Maybe this will explain Felicity's motivations and feelings better exposing Moira.
I still believe that part of Felicity's issues are that she feels a loyalty/bond to Ollie and she didn't want to loose that trust. She felt backed into a corner by Moira, was it her place to tell Ollie? No and was telling him at the mayoral press conference the right place and time? Definitely not. But why she did what she did and motivations behind it will be probably better understood when we see this episode air. I am actually looking forward to watching it.
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I guess I am still missing the part where Laurel was aware of Sara and Oliver's affair. I don't see her as pushing either. She talked to Sara about moving in (which Oliver agreed to do). Then Sara asked her if marriage was in the cards and Laurel said she wasn't sure but it was a possibility. Laurel didn't really want to push it. Yeah, Moira stood up to Malcolm. I think Moira got used to taking care of things a certain way when she was under Malcolm's thumb and that is why she approached Felicity by threatening her. Felicity pretty much threatened her family when she confronted Moira about Thea. How did Felicity think Moira would respond? That's big news to drop on Thea after everything has happened. Felicity didn't think of the position she would put Oliver in by telling him. If she was set on telling him she should have told him in private. Not a public and crowded place.
As I said the show made it a "plot point" making us (the GA/fans) be aware of Laurel knowing about her sister's involvement with Ollie. If you give me a few minutes, I will try and remember what episode it was. I'm getting a brain freeze right now. Regarding the whole Moira/Felicity/Ollie/Thea situation, it's a tricky one. Whose really to blame here? Who withheld the truth all this time and thought it was a form of protecting her family? Moira. Yes, she threathened Felicity (A tactic she learned from years of dealing with Malcolm but she is a shrewd person - when it comes to dealings of business and personal affairs. Then again, she also has this vulnerable side to her when it comes to her children and Walter.) We've seen her deal with Isabel Roscev regarding the company and then we've seen her try and shield her children from the backlash she feels she created from "The Undertaking". (Which was really all crazy psycho man's Malcolm Merlyn's doing.) Although, I am starting to see you're point about Felicity but I don't necessarily have to agree with it, right?  Maybe, she should have picked a better time and place. Certainly, Ollie could have toned down his "drama and histronics" a bit also. He lies A LOT. He hides plenty of secrets. But in all fairness these secrets are to protect his loved ones and the innocent people of Starling City. Again, I understand why Felicity did what she did, was it wrong, maybe. But she really did have the best intentions at heart. She was trying to protect someone she thinks is her "family" - Ollie. I think the episode could have been "Blind Spot" 2x11 when Sara tells Ollie about her father busting up his party. (Because they were there together.) She also offers a little more insight into the Lauvier relationship, Sara.
I'll look the episode up. Here's my thing with Felicity. I'm not entirely sure she did it for Oliver. I think she may have done it for selfish reasons. We got some insight on her history and she transferred her issues onto the Queen family. I think she did it for herself.
Yes, you should definitely look the episode up and watch it. You will see what I was trying to explain better then from a "Plot point perspective". Regarding Ollie/Sara/Laurel. Also, I heard and I am not sure which episode it's going to be (as it has not aired yet) that "Arrow" will be taking a deeper look for an episode into Felicity Smoak's family. Maybe this will explain Felicity's motivations and feelings better exposing Moira. I still believe that part of Felicity's issues are that she feels a loyalty/bond to Ollie and she didn't want to loose that trust. She felt backed into a corner by Moira, was it her place to tell Ollie? No and was telling him at the mayoral press conference the right place and time? Definitely not. But why she did what she did and motivations behind it will be probably better understood when we see this episode air. I am actually looking forward to watching it. I guess I don't feel for Felicity if she believed she was backed into a corner because that is exactly what she did to Moira.
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As I said the show made it a "plot point" making us (the GA/fans) be aware of Laurel knowing about her sister's involvement with Ollie. If you give me a few minutes, I will try and remember what episode it was. I'm getting a brain freeze right now. Regarding the whole Moira/Felicity/Ollie/Thea situation, it's a tricky one. Whose really to blame here? Who withheld the truth all this time and thought it was a form of protecting her family? Moira. Yes, she threathened Felicity (A tactic she learned from years of dealing with Malcolm but she is a shrewd person - when it comes to dealings of business and personal affairs. Then again, she also has this vulnerable side to her when it comes to her children and Walter.) We've seen her deal with Isabel Roscev regarding the company and then we've seen her try and shield her children from the backlash she feels she created from "The Undertaking". (Which was really all crazy psycho man's Malcolm Merlyn's doing.) Although, I am starting to see you're point about Felicity but I don't necessarily have to agree with it, right?  Maybe, she should have picked a better time and place. Certainly, Ollie could have toned down his "drama and histronics" a bit also. He lies A LOT. He hides plenty of secrets. But in all fairness these secrets are to protect his loved ones and the innocent people of Starling City. Again, I understand why Felicity did what she did, was it wrong, maybe. But she really did have the best intentions at heart. She was trying to protect someone she thinks is her "family" - Ollie. I think the episode could have been "Blind Spot" 2x11 when Sara tells Ollie about her father busting up his party. (Because they were there together.) She also offers a little more insight into the Lauvier relationship, Sara.
I'll look the episode up. Here's my thing with Felicity. I'm not entirely sure she did it for Oliver. I think she may have done it for selfish reasons. We got some insight on her history and she transferred her issues onto the Queen family. I think she did it for herself.
Yes, you should definitely look the episode up and watch it. You will see what I was trying to explain better then from a "Plot point perspective". Regarding Ollie/Sara/Laurel. Also, I heard and I am not sure which episode it's going to be (as it has not aired yet) that "Arrow" will be taking a deeper look for an episode into Felicity Smoak's family. Maybe this will explain Felicity's motivations and feelings better exposing Moira. I still believe that part of Felicity's issues are that she feels a loyalty/bond to Ollie and she didn't want to loose that trust. She felt backed into a corner by Moira, was it her place to tell Ollie? No and was telling him at the mayoral press conference the right place and time? Definitely not. But why she did what she did and motivations behind it will be probably better understood when we see this episode air. I am actually looking forward to watching it.
I guess I don't feel for Felicity if she believed she was backed into a corner because that is exactly what she did to Moira. Ok, we will agree to disgree then. I feel like Felicity felt obligated to tell Ollie because Moira gave her no choice. You don't feel that way. It's fine. Maybe Felicity felt provoked by her is a better term. She was looking out for Ollie and felt like if she didn't tell him it was being disloyal. Do I agree, is it her place? No, but I understand her motivations why, so far anyway.
By watching the upcoming episode - I don't know the title or number yet, that explores Felicity's backstory and family more. I am guessing that it will explain her motivations, for her reactions on Moira/Ollie better.
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Arrow Episode #2.18 Is Called… Craig Byrne/February 15, 20142
Apparently, Executive Producer Marc Guggenheim posted this one on Twitter earlier this week and it totally slipped past us: the title for the 18th episode of Arrow Season 2 is “Deathstroke.” Here’s the script’s cover page, where we see that the episode is written by Guggenheim with Drew Z. Greenberg, and directed by Guy Bee. MANY THANKS/FULL CREDIT/SOURCE: http://www.greenarrowtv.com/arrow-episode-2-18-is-called/16411
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Arrow “The Promise” Official CW Description – BIG Spoilers Within Craig Byrne/February 12, 2014
The CW has released an official description for “The Promise,” which is the new episode of Arrow scheduled for March 5. Beware of spoilers!
Spoiler: click to toggle THE TURNING POINT — Oliver (Stephen Amell) is shocked when he learns that Slade (Manu Bennett) has come to Starling City. Back on the island, as Oliver, Slade and Sara (Caity Lotz) prepare to take over the freighter from Ivo (guest star Dylan Neal), Sara pulls Oliver aside and tells him he needs to kill Ivo to prevent him from telling Slade what happened with Shado. Oliver feels immense guilt over the situation but realizes Slade’s growing rage from the Mirakuru makes him unpredictable and he could turn on his friends if he thinks Oliver is to blame. Oliver agrees to kill Ivo and the battle begins. Glen Winter directed the episode written by Jake Coburn & Ben Sokolowski (#A215).
MANY THANKS/FULL CREDIT/SOURCE: http://www.greenarrowtv.com/arrow-the-promise-official-cw-description-big-spoilers-within/16402
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Stephen Amell and Jared Padelicki's dressing rooms are right next to each other on the CW lot. They have become good friends from this I'm guessing, because I constantly get these random, funny ass tweets from Stephen all the time, same goes for Jared!
https://twitter.com/amellywood/statuses/432308226416074752
Stephen Amell ✔ @amellywood Out of nowhere @jarpad sent me a photo of him holding my daughter. Assuming my wife left me and he's her new Dad. 7:21 PM - 8 Feb 2014
I'm not going to post the picture to respect SA privacy but you can click on the link and see it yourself!
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Stephen Amell and Jared Padelicki's dressing rooms are right next to each other on the CW lot. They have become good friends from this I'm guessing, because I constantly get these random, funny ass tweets from Stephen all the time, same goes for Jared! https://twitter.com/amellywood/statuses/432308226416074752Stephen Amell ✔ @amellywood Out of nowhere @jarpad sent me a photo of him holding my daughter. Assuming my wife left me and he's her new Dad. 7:21 PM - 8 Feb 2014 I'm not going to post the picture to respect SA privacy but you can click on the link and see it yourself! I saw that tweet as well. It was funny.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [via press release from The CW] THE CW SETS SEASON FINALE DATES AND KICKS OFF SUMMER WITH FOUR-HOUR EVENT SERIES "LABYRINTH"
LABYRINTH Makes Its Broadcast Television Premiere Across Two Nights on Thursday, May 22 and Friday, May 23 on The CW
The CW Unveils Finale Dates For All Series
February 26, 2014 (Burbank, CA) - The CW today announced the broadcast television premiere of the four-hour event miniseries LABYRINTH, airing across two consecutive nights on Thursday, May 22 (8:00-10:00pm ET) and concluding Friday, May 23 (8:00-10:00pm ET). Filmedon-location in the medieval town of Carcassonne in southwest France and Cape Town, South Africa, the historical miniseries jumps back and forth between modern and medieval France as it follows the lives of two women who are separated by centuries, but united in their search for the Holy Grail. LABYRINTH features a multi-national and award-winning cast, including John Hurt, Sebastian Stan, Jessica Brown-Findlay, Vanessa Kirby and Tom Felton. The series is an adaption of Kate Mosse's New York Times best-seller and multi-million selling, international hit adventure/thriller novel of the same title.
In addition to the LABYRINTH broadcast dates this May, The CW also announced the season finale dates for its series, as follows:
Monday, May 5: THE TOMORROW PEOPLE (9:00-10:00pm)
Monday, May 12: STAR-CROSSED (8:00-9:00pm)
Tuesday, May 13: THE ORIGINALS (8:00-9:00pm)
Wednesday, May 14: ARROW (8:00-9:00pm)
Thursday, May 15: THE VAMPIRE DIARIES (8:00-9:00pm) and REIGN (9:00-10:00pm)
Friday, May 16: HART OF DIXIE (9:00-10:00pm).
Tuesday, May 20: SUPERNATURAL (9:00-10:00pm)
Wednesday, June 11: THE 100 (9:00-10:00pm)
SOURCE: Read more at http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2014/02/26/the-cw-sets-season-finale-dates-and-kicks-off-summer-with-four-hour-event-series-labyrinth-502114/20140226cw01/#kfwT76812qEVCDSW.99
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Yeah. Laurel proves to be the better person again. Ollie is such a douche and a hypocrite though.
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Yeah. Laurel proves to be the better person again. Ollie is such a douche and a hypocrite though. What in last night's episode? I didn't get a chance to watch it. Can you believe I forget what day it was yesterday. I was all screw up. Anyway, I am going to watch it on cwtv.com ion a little while and then we can discuss it later. Slade comes to Starling City in this episode, I think.
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From the Arrow site I read:
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In a recent interview Mark Guggenheim, the show's executive producer, said that they are open to doing more than 5 seasons.
YESSSS!!!!
Exclusive Interview: Marc Guggenheim Executive Producer of Arrow
DC Fans this week we bring you an exclusive interview with Marc Guggenheim the Executive Producer of the hit show Arrow. In this interview we cover off a host of questions that gives an insight into how Marc helped with the inception of the series, the similarities with Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight, casting, and much more. Watch our video below for the entire interview. http://dccomicsnews.com/2014/01/26/exclusive-interview-marc-guggenheim-executive-producer-arrow/
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Thanks ES still waiting for season 2 to start! Honestly I don't know what's taking them so long but since Channel 9 is now screening a New Australia TV series Love Child (I am not sure when Arrow will be returning, most likely our Winter your Summer).
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