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| Will and Mr. Brown; A tale of love | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 19 2006, 04:50 PM (664 Views) | |
| Explosive Calm | Jun 19 2006, 04:50 PM Post #1 |
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I was watching POTC again today and I noticed something, I don't think it's ever been mentioned before but I'm mentioning it now since I haven't seen it mentioned before and it had me a little bit curious, mostly with it never being mentioned before. Anyways, when Will walks into the blacksmiths he looks rather lovingly at Mr Brown and says "Right where I left you" in a happy and almost knowing way, it's all in the delivery of the line but it to me suggests there's something more at work there between them, and this brings up a big question for me... what were Will and Mr Brown doing before ol' Browny fell asleep? Any suggestions?
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| nulldevice | Jun 19 2006, 06:08 PM Post #2 |
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The answer to this, I believe, lies back when Gov. Swann was telling Will to pass his compliments on to Will's master. I think WIll had to contain himself, for it would appear that pretty much all the real work getting done at the blacksmith's shop was from WIll's efforts, not Mr. Brown's. So, I think WIll was simply saying that he left him drunk sitting on the chair, and so he expected to find him in the exact same spot. So, that's why WIll was puzzled that the hammer had moved -- and then he spied the hat... |
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| Explosive Calm | Jun 19 2006, 06:49 PM Post #3 |
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I wasn't thinking about the hammer, I was just curious about the two of them as just this one time watching it I got a Brokeback Pirates kind of feel to it, I guess it does make sense about who's doing all the work though, a drunk man couldn't make a sword too well, he'd probably end up cutting his arm off or putting his eye out if he tried. |
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| Admin | Jun 19 2006, 10:02 PM Post #4 |
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LOL! No, Will loves Elizabeth... remember?
There is a sort of love between Brown and Will, I suppose, but it's not like that. It's a sort of father-son relationship. But, with Brown's drinking, the roles have been reversed; Will is the one who constantly has to take care of Brown, doing his work, making sure he doesn't make a fool of himself in town (because then he might not get as many orders, and there'd be no food on the table)... That's what the "Right where I left you" is about, I suppose; Will is happy to find that Brown's still there, and not in some seedy tavern, or passed out on the street somewhere. |
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| JackMallory | Jun 19 2006, 11:41 PM Post #5 |
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Answering in a totally non-perv way
........I'm thinking maybe Mr. Brown is the original fellow who took young orphan Will in and taught him everything he knew (in between bouts of prodigious drinking ), and Will -- being an upstanding young man -- appreciates what Mr. Brown has done for him. I doubt there's some great love between them, like a father/son thing, but I just think Will is an appreciative sort. Any poor kid in younger Will's situation would feel much safer with even a Mr. Brown than with no adult to shelter them.
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| Explosive Calm | Jun 19 2006, 11:43 PM Post #6 |
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Oh but he can choose a path other than the one he wants, so even if he is in love with Lizzy he can still go down the other road if it seems impossible he'll ever get what he really wants. ![]() I guess it is a father son type thing, it's less dirty that way around, it's just when I was watching it earlier I almost spat my drink out laughing at the way he looked and said his line, I don't know why I only just noticed it but as long as I can get my answer and move that idea for the scene into what it really is and not my idea of what it is, that's a safer place for it to be. :rolleyes: |
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| pirategirl0306 | Jun 20 2006, 02:25 PM Post #7 |
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Hm, maybe it's just me, but when I heard that line, I thought Will was just being sarcastic. I mean, if all Mr. Brown does is sit around drunk all day, Will wouldn't expect to come home and find him actually working.
So when Will left, Mr. Brown was probably in a drunken stupor, and now that Will was back, Mr. Brown was still in a drunken stupor. It was no surprise to him, so he smirked and said, "Right where I left you."That's just my (cynical) take on it.
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| Explosive Calm | Jun 20 2006, 04:15 PM Post #8 |
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Teehee, that's a better way of looking at it, maybe he's the likeable kind of lazy bugger, they do exist, even though they don't do anything but sit around drunk or something they're still likeable, at least it's better than listening to them I guess. :rolleyes: |
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| nulldevice | Jun 20 2006, 06:03 PM Post #9 |
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My sum of all this is that indeed, Mr. Brown took WIll under his wing and taught him the trade (and well). Mr. Brown is a sort of ersatz father and I think Will appreciates him for what he is and has done, in spite of his shortcomings. |
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| lor524 | Jun 20 2006, 07:42 PM Post #10 |
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I'm going to agree with Null and JackMallory. I think Will seemed a bit indulgent and bemused at Mr. Brown. Brown is probably a fairly decent person (outside of letting Will cover for him) and, as an apprentice, Will doesn't have the wherewithall to go out on his own. Yes, Mr. Brown uses Will, but his drinking probably means that Will is left to his own devices more often than not. All in all, it isn't a perfect arrangement, but maybe it's okay. Will has food, shelter, clothing, and a profession, maybe even a bit of a replacement family in Mr. Brown. I can imagine Will going out late at night to carry Brown home drunk from a tavern. He's awfully wary in the tavern in Tortuga, almost as if he distrusts all bar goers kind of like he hates pirates. :rolleyes: |
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| Explosive Calm | Jun 20 2006, 07:54 PM Post #11 |
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He did seem a little at home in that bar when with Jack, almost seemed like a few people knew him maybe, most probably from when he was picking up Browny from there, he goes there enough times they would know him, and since Will doesn't seem the drinking type I guess that does make sense. Teehee, I always come up with these little questions no one else has asked before.
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| AlvildaBonneyOMalley | Jun 21 2006, 06:07 AM Post #12 |
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I agree with you guys about how Mr.Brown is more like a father(more or less) to Will. Sounds like a good fanfic idea, how did Will come to meet Mr.Brown? |
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| JackMallory | Jun 22 2006, 08:44 PM Post #13 |
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Nah....the tavern was on Tortuga, not Port Royal where Mr. Brown lived...quite a ways away eastward in the Windward Passage. |
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| AlvildaBonneyOMalley | Jun 22 2006, 09:10 PM Post #14 |
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Yeah Mr.Brown lives in Port Royal not Tortuga. The person at the tavern was Gibbs. |
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| pirategirl0306 | Jun 23 2006, 05:20 PM Post #15 |
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You guys inspired me to write a fan fic about Will and Mr. Brown. Well, it's mostly about Will, but I think it's interesting anyway. It's kind of long, but I hope you like it! |
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"Mother's love, Jack! You should know better than to wake a man when he's sleeping. It's bad luck."




), and Will -- being an upstanding young man -- appreciates what Mr. Brown has done for him. I doubt there's some great love between them, like a father/son thing, but I just think Will is an appreciative sort. Any poor kid in younger Will's situation would feel much safer with even a Mr. Brown than with no adult to shelter them.

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