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| History of the Black Pearl and Jack- SPOILERS!! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 21 2006, 01:58 PM (1,188 Views) | |
| Choccie | Jun 21 2006, 01:58 PM Post #1 |
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I found this over on the official DMC site. It's on the 'Black Pearl 101' game- before you answer the questions, you look around the Black Pearl, and under the Bowsprit/figurehead area, it says this:
Well, this throws into sharp relief that which I had not yet considered. This shows that Jack didn't really choose to be a pirate- well, at least not to start with-, but was a legitimate (maybe...) merchant. JACK?! A merchant?! I'm not sure if I'm liking this idea. Maybe because it seems too... mundane? And the Black Pearl as the Wicked Wench?! Elizabeth may have something to say about that... So Jack has turned on his own kind- from being a merchant, to preying on them...And what was this task he refused to complete?And the Black Pearl seems to have had a pretty rough time of it, to date. First torched and sunk, then commandeered by a load of cursed skeleton pirates?! Jeez... However, one more thing- it seems to have been assumed, up to now, that Jack sold his soul for the compass that points to your heart's desire... but what if, instead, he sold it to get his beloved ship back? He seems to be VERY attached to it... Views, anyone? |
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| tina_als_girl | Jun 21 2006, 03:36 PM Post #2 |
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I love this history. We've known for some time now that the BP was the Wicked Wench (mucho thanks to Toby over on KTTC), but it's great to finally learn exactly HOW the name change came about. Jack being a merchant works pretty well for my still-in-progress fanfic. So far, in fact, everything's turning out pretty well; I'm not going to have to change too many things, and they'll be minor. Anyway, this story can be used as well in our discussions on KTTC concerning the similarities between PotC and Star Wars. This whole "Jack not completing an assignment" thing, to the chagrin of Lord Bucket (teehee) reminds me quite a bit of Han Solo's situation--dumping his cargo to the chagrin of Jabba the Hutt. SPOILER CONCERNING JACK AND HIS DEAL WITH DAVY Highlight: I guess I can see now where that quote from one of the trading cards comes from... There's a quote from Jack that says something about how the BP is his ship and has always been his ship. Technically, he's right. Before she was raised from the sea by Davy, she was owned by Jack. He also points out good logic in DMC... Even though the deal between he and Davy said 13 years, for 10 of those Jack wasn't even captain! He only had the Pearl back for 3 years before Barbossa took her away from him. Too bad Davy doesn't see the logic. SPOILER CONCERNING JACK'S SOUL, THE BP, AND THE COMPASS Highlight: And yes, Jack sold his soul to have Davy raise the re-christened BP. The compass came from Tia Dalma. Yup. I'm lovin' this history. :Love To All: ~ Joy ~ |
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| AlvildaBonneyOMalley | Jun 21 2006, 06:39 PM Post #3 |
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Cool, thanks for posting this Choccie. I always wondered why DJ was after Jack. Well now we know why there are so many holes in the sails. |
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| nulldevice | Jun 21 2006, 07:32 PM Post #4 |
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Interesting -- Jack and Gibbs apparently share a common professional backgraound. |
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| Admin | Jun 21 2006, 08:42 PM Post #5 |
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![]() Simply ![]() Yeah, it's hard to picture Jack as a merchant. (It must be pretty dull, compared to piracy - apart from the changes of scenery, of course.) But it'd also be difficult to imagine someone being born like the Jack we know and love. But... The Pearl, a merchant ship? She must have moved something perishable, with her speed (presuming that wasn't supernatural), and the oars... I wonder what. I, too, wonder what task Jack refused to complete... *lightbulb* Oh! Perishable goods! Slaves, perhaps? Freedom stuff - could be enough reason for Jack to refuse an assignment. (Even if JD said that Jack's freedom obsession was because Jack had been emprisoned, which probably wouldn't have happened before his turning pirate. But then, society and employment are prisons too... And his obsession with freedom could also be the result, rather than the reason, for his refusal, of course; Jack constantly convincing himself that he was right.) But for piracy, a simple refusal to ship (an overly large number of?) slaves wouldn't be enough... So he put them ashore, maybe? Must have been near (or in) the harbour then, if Beckett got him; somehow I can't imagine Jack running away after doing something like that. But I may be completely wrong, of course... And yeah, I'll stop now. Edit: Forgot due to my rambling: I sort of like Wicked Wench. It's a far step from there to Black Pearl... So either Jack is more poetic than he seems, or maybe the new name had something to do with his refusal of the assignment. (Oh dear... I just hope there wasn't a woman involved in the slave stuff.) |
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| nulldevice | Jun 21 2006, 09:52 PM Post #6 |
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Speaking of prisoners, I wonder if there any connection with the Turkish prison that Will apparently ends up in? This would certainly explain a run-in with the East India Trading Company, if nothing else. Jack is apparently good at stealing boats, ... er, ships. I don't believe the EITC dealt with slaves, though. There could be a lot of different reasons for Jack refusing to do whatever, so hard to imagine exactly what might have caused the uproar and Jack's turing to piracy. Now, what this would make clear is why Jack was more of a "gentleman" pirate, given his past. It also would explain his love of the sea. It still leaves open the question of how he made the transition from cartographer to seaman. |
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| RumsGone | Jun 22 2006, 01:20 AM Post #7 |
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That's very interesting....
I knew about the raising of the Pearl, and the reason why Jack made that deal with DJ, but I hadn't heard about the Wicked Wench. I'm going to be very curious to see how much of the backstory they are able to work into the movie. I assume they'll tell us at least some of it...perhaps the rest will need to wait for POTC3. I do think it's neat that the Pearl was always Jack's....no matter what her name. And she must have been very special, for Jack to have gone to such great lengths to save her.
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| Choccie | Jun 22 2006, 12:10 PM Post #8 |
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I've just discovered this, DutchS (on anther game! On msn messenger):
So, it became 'new and improved' thanks to Davy Jones- it wasn't really fast beforehand, when it was a merchantship... Incidentally (yet more spoilers, methinks!), I've also discovered bit about why Liz and Will are arrested at the start. I don't know, yet again, if anyone's read this anywhere- ...Unless he gets the Jack's compass... which, in the hand of Beckett, would point to all pirates I suppose, so he could elimate every... last... one... Ooer, but that sounds like a bit of blackmail to me... It's all starting to piece together in my head, before I had loads of bits, but no idea how it all worked... Still I don't know what really happens between the beginning and the end (which is kinda a crucial bit!) And I think I want to keep it that way... |
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| tina_als_girl | Jun 22 2006, 04:38 PM Post #9 |
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Apparently, slaves were indeed the cargo. Toby and his pal have been playing the cellphone game, and they got the information on the BP plus the info on the cargo being slaves. :Love To All: ~ Joy ~ |
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| Choccie | Jun 22 2006, 05:51 PM Post #10 |
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Hmm... This is time for much imaginary beard-stroking... |
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| AlvildaBonneyOMalley | Jun 22 2006, 09:27 PM Post #11 |
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I wonder why DJ would give the Pearl her superpower(speed)? |
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| nulldevice | Jun 22 2006, 09:51 PM Post #12 |
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This is a time for real beard-stroking... I'm very encouraged that this next installment will leave the viewer much to ponder and good reason to view the film multiple times to gather more subtle information. Huzzah! |
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| Admin | Jun 22 2006, 10:59 PM Post #13 |
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Strange... Then again, the info's a bit vague - maybe she was raised the same as she was, except whole again and everything.
Yes! Damn, I'm good.
(Well, someone has to think so. :P)
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| nulldevice | Jun 22 2006, 11:18 PM Post #14 |
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Yes, DutchS, we know you're good!
The speed of the Pearl i spart of the magic that comes with her resurrection. I wonder why Jack's soul is worth that much to DJ that he'd make this all possible? |
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| welcum_2_the_caribbean | Jun 26 2006, 12:54 AM Post #15 |
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Hmmm, yea I wonder too.... apparently Jack's soul is worth 99 souls. ____________________________________________________________
I've played that game, but I need someone to play with me on the two player leval. Would you want to Choccie?
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"Mother's love, Jack! You should know better than to wake a man when he's sleeping. It's bad luck."

Elizabeth may have something to say about that...
So Jack has turned on his own kind- from being a merchant, to preying on them...And what was this task he refused to complete?






I knew about the raising of the Pearl, and the reason why Jack made that deal with DJ, but I hadn't heard about the Wicked Wench.
Damn, I'm good.
8:33 AM Jul 11