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History of the Black Pearl and Jack- SPOILERS!!
Topic Started: Jun 21 2006, 01:58 PM (1,189 Views)
Choccie
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Alright! Welcum, sounds like a plan (batman! :lol:)! :D
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Choccie
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Uhh... I've been thinking about what DutchS said, about the slaves... And in light of seeing the film, this is what I've come up with-

You don't think the whole slave thing has something to do with Tia Dalma? Because there's some long history behind how Jack knows her ("Tia Dalma and I go way back"), so do you think it could be related to that in any way??
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I think it's more likely that she has some sort of history with Davy Jones. Did you notice how his music box and her necklace look the same? Although there may be more to her "friendship" with Jack than we know.
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i was on imdb.com and someone posted some info about jack saying it came from the movies website, but i went there and didnt find out any of it. some stuff i remembered was that the black perl was sank by Becket when he made his mark and thats why jack made the deal to go after lord becket.....can anyone conferm this or have true background info?
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Here you go.
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Thanks, ABOM!
I merged the threads.
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Your welcome,Dutch. Love the new banner.
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Ah... a little light in the dark! Don't you just love it when things start to make more sense?? It makes things more... perfect, and therefor makes me love the movie(s) even more.


Jack being a decent merchant... Well yes, that's a little difficult to imagine. But then again, he probably wasn't the most normal captain from the beginning. But shave of his hair, put him in an uniform, wipe of the kohl, forget the staggering -I know all this is hard...- but okay, people may have been fooled. :P What kind of a name is "The Wicked Wench" for an East Indien Trading Company vessel anyway?? Who christened her, I wonder...

About the cargo... the thougt of slaves I can accept. Jack would refuse, probably tried to save these people, then they made him their chief ( :rolleyes: )... and then he was caught and convicted by this Beckett. There's something about this Beckett, not only is he obviously taking his recent mission rather personal; he's acting as his life is at stake as well. What if he has some deal with Davy Jones going on too? I liked the explanation of him wanting that compass for going after pirates in general, but somehow I doubt that. Then Jack should be the first one he wants, but he doesn't; he's 'just' after the compass, and even wants to restore Jack's position.

Last thing, I've wondered several times why Jack took the spice... That look on his face when he sees the letters "ETC", I bet those were the reason why he decided to take it with him. But then why? It makes more sense when you know he himself used to sail under the flague of ETC, his look could mean "Oh so that's what happened to some of my mates" or something. I don't know.
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Jul 21 2006, 10:34 PM
Last thing, I've wondered several times why Jack took the spice... That look on his face when he sees the letters "ETC", I bet those were the reason why he decided to take it with him. But then why? It makes more sense when you know he himself used to sail under the flague of ETC, his look could mean "Oh so that's what happened to some of my mates" or something. I don't know.

I wondered about that look too. My feeling was that he realized that the EIC (or however it's shortened) was now a power in these waters. I think before, they weren't so prevalent, and Jack could pretty much live fast and loose. But when he saw the EIC brand, he realized that civilization (as it were) was closing in on him...the edges of the map were filling in, and soon, he'd have no place to run. If it had made it to the cannibal island, it was definitely a problem!

And as for the slaves...I hope we see something of that, but I doubt it. If we're lucky, we might get a line or two of exposition. I do think Jack would not have transported slaves though...it all goes back to the freedom thing, doesn't it? How could a man that values freedom so highly be involved at all with taking it away from others in such a vile way? He wouldn't. :)

I do wonder if that might have anything to do with Tia Dalma....not that she was ever subject to being sold, but that she might totally respect Jack for his feelings on the matter. And perhaps another reason why there was such a show for Jack in the end....and all those people standing out in the swamp with their candles, mourning Jack. Perhaps they remember what he did, and still honor him for it. He's a good man, after all. :)
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Random interruption... (Sorry, no time for a decent post.)

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and all those people standing out in the swamp with their candles, mourning Jack.

While I first thought they were mourning Jack too, I later wondered if maybe they weren't there to 'resurrect' Barbossa (or finish the resurrection somehow, or something). I still think them mourning Jack is far more likely... but I think that something to do with Barbs is an option too.
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Jul 22 2006, 03:06 PM
While I first thought they were mourning Jack too, I later wondered if maybe they weren't there to 'resurrect' Barbossa (or finish the resurrection somehow, or something). I still think them mourning Jack is far more likely... but I think that something to do with Barbs is an option too.

Interesting thought, but I'm still with the mourning. The sadness on their faces, and the one woman with the tear rolling down her face--that says all you need to know.

I sort of wonder why Jack would be so mourned by these people though. Granted, WE would mourn him, but they obviously knew him, and knew enough that his loss was something to be mourned. Do you think they knew about him freeing his cargo on that earlier occasion? Or had he done something else for which they hold him in respect?
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AlvildaBonneyOMalley
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I was thinking the samething during that scenen RumsGone. Maybe they were mourning Jack because they were the cargo. Of course how would they know what happened to Jack? Tia probably had something to do with that.
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(d-rose @ Jul 21 2006, 10:34 PM)
Last thing, I've wondered several times why Jack took the spice... That look on his face when he sees the letters "ETC", I bet those were the reason why he decided to take it with him. But then why? It makes more sense when you know he himself used to sail under the flague of ETC, his look could mean "Oh so that's what happened to some of my mates" or something. I don't know.


I wondered about that look too. My feeling was that he realized that the EIC (or however it's shortened) was now a power in these waters. I think before, they weren't so prevalent, and Jack could pretty much live fast and loose. But when he saw the EIC brand, he realized that civilization (as it were) was closing in on him...the edges of the map were filling in, and soon, he'd have no place to run. If it had made it to the cannibal island, it was definitely a problem!


Right. That makes sense, 'cause it certainly is an aspect in the movie; the EIC getting more and more power. Like the captain of "Elizabeth's" ship complains; they are everywhere, Tortuga is the only free port where they don't have to pay wages and taxes.
Jack must have realised they're now everywhere indeed... but it sure is obvious it didn't turn out well for them at the cannibal island, aye? :P


Now about all the people mourning in the swamp... I too think it's because of Jack, but it could be a combination of all that... Perhaps Tia didn't start Barbossa's resurrection untill there was a need for him when Jack died. The people with the candles may have been needed for the process, cried because they mourned Jack's death... but also because perhaps they didn't really like the necessity of Barb's resurrection. After all he had been a terrible plague of the sea as well.
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The people mourning in the swamp:
When the scene starts we just see them there while Will and the team is inside Tia's hut, we don't know when Will arrived or when the people started to mourn. (unless I missed something there) So it's posible Will, Elizabeth and the others arrived first and told Tia what happened, then the people around (whom I'd also guess is Jack's former cargo) would show up to show their respect and maybe ask Tia to use her magic to bring Jack back.

As for the compass, there seems to be no clue as to how Beckett knoes about it, but he clearly indicates to Elizabeth what he wants to use it for. He wants the heart of Davy Jones so he can control him and the Kraken. He'd then have Jones hunt down every pirate around and after that probably the competitiors as well.
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Here's the post I made over on Wordplayer theorizing about Tia and the swamp inhabitants; check out Terry's one-liner to me! :D (man, I'm such a Two T's fangirl)

http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/moviesarc....cgi?read=84987

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