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Was I the only one totally disappointed by DMC?; I mean, Rumrunner or not...
Topic Started: Jul 8 2006, 05:09 AM (1,094 Views)
KrissXed
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I jsut want to say that, after seeing the movie for the second time, I realized what happend...

Think about it. We have all been talking about this movie and waiting for it for about two years. We have been building in our heads what it might be like, what might happen, who we might see and how we might see them, reading fanfictions and talkinga bout the characters, making insider jokes about the first movie, and the whole time we were building in our heads this IMAGE of what we thought DMC might be like. I think we se the bar WAY too hight, and that is why we were all dissapointed. But I will say that, after seeing the movie again, I realize how wrong I was. I loved it. Evertying fit, everything makes sense, and I can't wait for the DVD. :D

:P

-Kriss-
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RumsGone
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We have all been talking about this movie and waiting for it for about two years. We have been building in our heads what it might be like.


I think that's a big part of it, Kriss. I'm really hoping that the people who didn't like it on their first viewing will give it another chance. We've all watched the first movie a bazillion times and memorized every line, glance, and odd hand gesture. The first movie has become 'beloved' and very close to our hearts, and of course many people will want the second to instantly fulfill all our hopes and dreams. As for me, I loved it the first time, and I saw it for the 4th time today--I can honestly say that it gets better with each viewing. There are many layers to Jack, and just as many great moments and lines throughout. And even with the cliff-hanger ending and the setup for the third movie (something every middle-chapter-of-a-sequel will suffer from), it still tells one heck of a story. :D Those final moments with Jack and the Pearl will be ones we'll all look back on and love, along with many other parts of the movie, I'm sure.

And I just know the third movie is going to totally blow us away! At least it'll be a shorter wait this time. :)
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KrissXed
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OMG # 4?

Geez.. I have some catching up to do...

Maybe I'll go see it tonight... I'll try.. :D

SO yes. I suggest that everyone goes out and sees it again. It will be better. :D
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ID4EVER
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I think we have to treat it like the middle child it is.

I mean, it wasn't what I expected, but hey, I still enjoyed it.
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PhoenixSparrow
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<rivsy rant>
i must preface i wasnt Entirely dissapointed, i was entertained. it was a satisfactory action romp, but to us rumrunners, true devotees, who know every word backwards and forewards, that is just a slap in the face. COTBP was far from just an action flick, it was an action flick with DEPTH, something DMC was completely lacking.

my main problems are as follows:
lack of originality, which im sure we can all agree on

incongruity with the previously established characters/storyline

the story was so flat, and improperly explained. it was a good premise, but all they gave us really was jack is in trouble, bad guy got his heart broken, elizabeth and will are still doing the same old thing, thats all. then there was some running around, a cool squid, and some sword play. not enough for me, sorry. they could have cut the Entire cannibal scene, seeing as it was what, 20 minutes, that had absolutely nothing to do with advancing the plot, it was useless, entertaining, but useless entertainmet is insulting to me, unless thats what i am expecting. i guess its just because i feel like we were promised soo much more, but instead they SOLD OUT for cheap tired jokes and flashy fight sequences, and that breaks my heart.

bringing me to my last point, this movie was blatantly all about the money. they didnt try to make a Quality pirate film, which is why we all found COTBP so endearing, this was all about big excitement with little to no pay off for viewers and big time pay off for disney execs. Lame. the ending is proof of that, just because you are making a third movie does not give you the right to have No Ending. it wasnt even tastefully done, sometimes a non-ending is ending enough, i saw scanner darkly last night, and the non-ending was the perfect ending, this was just like "HAHAHAH I TOOK YOUR MONEY, AND IM GOING TO DO IT AGAIN, AhahahahhHAHAH." and it made me maaaaad.

oh yeah and whats up with trying to make will the dominant character. no way man. captain jack sparrow would Never let that happen. by far not enough jack, just being jack, too much jack being a pansy, and too much will trying to be the alpha male, which he Clearly isnt, duh. haha. the only time i felt we were seeing the Real CJS was in the opening scene, and the scene where Elizabeth macks on him, his reaction there was pure jaaaaaaack.

Sigh.
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alldevilgirl
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Thanks Phoenix - I feel like you and Lor felt exactly the same way I did, and it makes me feel better knowing that I'm not the only one who didn't see the movie the same way everyone else did.
I actually didn't mind the ending - sure, it was an unapologetic way of ensuring the success of the 3rd installment, but I didn't mind it. I enjoyed seeing Barbossa come back, and it doesn't bother me that they didn't explain it.
I was really surprised, though, that they treated Jack's character the way they did. The huge success of COTBP stemmed mostly from Johnny Depp's portrayal of Jack, and I was sure that they would focus on him more than on anyone else - shows how much I know.
Maybe I am being too harsh, but I know that no matter how many times I see it, I will still be disappointed. The jokes are far and few between, and original jokes are even more scarce. Even Jack's confusing rants seemed forced, whereas before they were clever and comical. And maybe in the context of an entire movie, saying "you smell bad" to Norrie would have been funny, but to consistently use that as an example of one of his funniest and original lines throughout the entire movie is heartbreaking.
I did like Norrie's character, though I wish they would have allowed him some more screen time to explain himself, but he didn't disappoint. Though he was entirely different, he was still the same Norrie. Vomiting off the side of a ship or not, he was still the obnoxious, pompous man he was, just slightly more damaged.
I don't know... the whole slap stick island bit also seemed forced, and turned Jack into this bumbling buffoon - he had always managed to talk himself out of every situation, but in this case, he seemed almost resigned to his fate.
Ugh... I don't know.
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KrissXed
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OK... just got back from the third viewing...

And I have to say it. In the beginning, I would have agreed with everything you said. But after having seen it a few times, I realize how much PLOT there was, that I just completely missed. You have to remember that it is an in between movie. Everything that happens in this movie, happens to send up the third movie. Jack dieing, Norrie being a jack*ss, Will being all hero..ey... Barbossa, the introduction of Tia Dalma... all of it was just a set up. But it's the middle sequel.. what do you expect?!

Also... I agree with something else I read from someone on here... about Jack's character. Everything that he did was while under the stress of knowing that Jones was after him. And if you look back, the only time Jack was really Jack was within those three days that Jones gave him. Oh.. and when he knew he was gonna die. So I'm actually okay with him as a character in this movie, and I have no complaints. Not anymore at least.

What you all need to do, those of you that did not like it, need to go see it again with an open mind. And remeber one thing.

The first time you saw POTC, did you fully grasp the characters and the entire plot and all the secret little twists and turns and other kool little doo dads that made it so enjoyable? No. And if you said yes,you're lying to yourself mate. Just see it again. It will grow on you.. I promise.

That's all from me... :D
-Kriss-
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I stand by my original statement. I have also seen it three times and whilst I agree that there are nuances one only catches with repeated viewing I feel that everything I have said so far still applies.

Will
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alldevilgirl
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Did I catch all the nuances the first time I saw POTC? No. I didn't catch the Green Banana of Tortuga, probably didn't find as many hidden jokes, but did I completely and totally fall in love with the characters and the movie in general? Yes, I certainly did. Nuances are an extra part of the movie-viewing experience, not the basis for a film.
I hate this excuse that it was an in-between... does that mean that because it's a sequel or an in-between that we should say it was good because, after all, it wasn't really meant to be that good? That's a poor excuse - if they couldn't make a good movie, then they shouldn't have made one at all. And having the 2nd and 3rd sequels be one in the same movie was a marketing ploy, not something which bettered the story line.
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KrissXed
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I'm not trying to make excuses for liking the movie, I trying to find a way out for you because I have a feeling you are looking for excuses to not like the movie. I guess I just think everyone should open their minds a bit is all. I don't want anyone to loose interest in Pirates because this one film did not live up to the expectations we all created while waiting for it to come out.

:D
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alldevilgirl
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Sorry, didn't mean for that to sound as harsh as it did (you're not the only one who's said it, either).
I'm not trying to find reasons to dislike the movie - I really wanted to like it, believe me. And I'm still going to see the 3rd movie, and I'll probably still buy the DVD for the 2nd one. I just hate that this is a buffer of sorts... it's supposed to be a movie, on its own, and it wasn't.
Meh.
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KrissXed
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How many times you see it?
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Se7en
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Oh, ADG.

First off, remember me? Yeah, it's Seven.

Anyway, I think that once the third one comes out it will throw into sharp relief that which this film has not yet achieved - closure.

And once we see that, it will make this one seem all the more better. Honestly, I think it's great how every character seems so inter-connected. It's like six degrees of... and it could be any friggin' character connected to another.

I dunno what to say. The fact that there is going to be a sequel isn't an excuse. But this movie couldn't be stand-alone anyway; you need to see the first one to fully understand it.

And, I don't mean to rag, but I'm tired of people saying things weren't resolved. There were some things that were resolved. For instance, Norrie's problem appears to be resolved. *shrug* I dunno...

I mean, NONE of the Lord of the Rings movies were stand-alone. And this movie is the same. It's planned out to be a series; you're supposed to watch each one. It's like watching The Matrix: Reloaded and not watching The Matrix: Revolution. And, like Lor said, it's like Star Wars, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, too, in that sense. If a movie is meant to be part of a series, the middle one(s) aren't supposed to provide closure. They are supposed to provide background to both explain the predecessor, as well as set up for the next one.

Edit: You have to realize that, after watching Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, it becomes apparent that the last one didn't resolve anything. Norrie chased after Jack and lost his title; Lizzie and Will are to be arrested for assisting in the escape of a dangerous criminal; and the British want Jack (but not in jail).
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dasNdanger
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Well, not sure if 'disappointed' is the right word...but I know I'm not thrilled with it. I thought it was a bit of a slow start, and I could have done without some of the slapstick humor, especially since they made this one as a darker film. Of course, I've only seen it once, but it certainly didn't thrill me like the first one did...or even similar movies like Goonies, Cutthroat Island, or Indiana Jones movies. It has nothing to do with already knowing the characters, or this being a middle movie, or whatever. I thought it was too ...muddled. I had trouble understanding a lot of the dialogue, and some scenes were so dark (or so 'busy') that I found it hard to focus on what was happening.

That all said, I certainly did NOT hate the film. It was okay, just not as spectacular as the first one. It could be also that I need answers to the questions raised in this film, and I won't be fully satisfied with it until I get those answers.

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KrissXed
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Then ask away :D

As I have said before Das, I suggest seeing it again, and again and again. It will grow on you. :D
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