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Was I the only one totally disappointed by DMC?; I mean, Rumrunner or not...
Topic Started: Jul 8 2006, 05:09 AM (1,093 Views)
Suluna
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It's most definitely growing on me...aye, seen it 3 times, twice on Friday the 7th and then once the next day...3 in total, methinks... :unsure: I've never been good with maths. :P

I love it, the ending gives me goosebumps everytime. :yay:
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k-con
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I read ADG's inital comments when they were first posted - before I went to see DMC. I have always respected ADG's insights so I couldn't understand why writers of T & T's caliber would have characters that were so out of character and do nods to and take offs on the previous film and stuff like that.

A friend told me her son said it was "darker" than the first one and someone on this thread said the same thing.

We have all refered to this as a trilogy because they are making three films and our expectation was that this film would follow in the footsteps of the first.

Now you guys can call me crazy (and some of you will I'm sure :lol: ) but the first words to my friends at the end of the film were "Who knew it was a comedy? Better yet a great parody!"

That is one of the finest parodies I have ever seen. They made fun of the first movie in grand style! And it takes balls to parody your own film - I don't think that's ever been done before. Sometimes I felt like I was watching the original SNL crew do POTC:COTBP

And at times I felt like they were making fun of Disneyland and amusement rides too. The scene with the waterwheel coming off made fun of a childhood nightmare I have about Ferris Wheels....damn I laughed so hard ....and when they were prisoners in the balls made of bones I again felt like I was in some amusement park ride gone horribly wrong.

And don't you just think they made fun of us too? They picked up several things that were often refered to by Rumrunners on imdb.... the goat, the green banana of tortuga and our favorite reference "but why's the rum gone" and if you think about it the name Rumrunners itself.....when they were told to throw the all the rum in with the gunpowder and everyone froze....somehow I felt they were doing a parody of us.

Anyway, I guess you can tell that I loved this film.... and not as a second film in a trilogy.... but as an individual and gutsy work of art by some really insane people!

My hat is off to the writers, actors and the rest of the crew....

:cheers:
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KrissXed
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You know K-con, I never looked at it that way, but you are right. You are so right. And I will admit that while watching it, I jsut felt like they knew about all our little jokes and insights on the movie. Speacially with the Bannana and the animals, and the rum.

Very interesting observations.
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well, i regret to inform you all, that i saw it again and my opinion of it became drastically worse.

i did understand a lot more, when i originally saw the movie it was with a noisy audience so i kinda missed the ONE LINE that barely explains why jack owes davy jones his soul, so i was kinda trying to piece it together the whole movie.

so i now dont have too much of a gripe about the plot, its not nearly as concise and well put together as BP, but oh well.

but honestly, the dialogue is brutally cheesey. will and elizabeths romance is trite and unbelievable. jack is a bafoon. there are entire parts of the movie that are useless. the sword fights arent even well choreographed, they are just flashy, and over the top to the point of rediculousness.

i could keep listing all of my complaints....but its just making me depressed. :(
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will_k_williams
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Kriss; don't just tell people to see it again because you changed your mind. Some of us have to spend our money on slightly more pressing matters like food. I've seen it 3 times at the cinema and have recently acquired a copy for my own personal use. I also find it a little condescending that you assume we all need multiple viewings in order to 'get' this film.

Seven; They decided to make DMC after the release of COTBP. You can't compare this to Lord of the Rings, in that each film was a fairly faithful adaptation of the same titled volume of the novel. The Matrix films are a bad example. A better example would be the Back to the Future Trilogy. A brilliant and inspired first film followed by back to back sequels. At least in that case there was an obvious end to the plot of the second film before carrying on some themes to the third. Any Matrix comparisons would surely do more harm than good.
You also say that the last film didn't resolve anything when it clearly did. COTBP was a self contained film, there was a resolution to every aspect of the film. When Jack escaped Norrington didn't seem overly bothered by the loss. He was prepared to allow Jack to escape because he was a good man and everyone learned that sometimes going against the rules was the only reasonable course of action. Norrington seemed a little flippant about it, that he might give chase but it wasn't really very important. Certainly not to the point of a chase across the Atlantic.

Will
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KrissXed
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I jsut don't understand why everyone is taking this so seriously. Lighten up a little mate. It's just a movie. Sure, the sequel to our favorite movie ever, but amovie none the less. You can't really assume that the movie is going to be perfect, without plot flaws or or character holes because we all knew it was, yet hoped it wasn't, bound to happen.

All I am saying is that you cannot take this movie at face value. If you don't like it, that is your problem, but you'll have to square with the fact that you are on a message board full of people who do and always will love DMC.

And for the record, I neve said you needed multiple viewings to 'get' the film. I said you needed multiple viewing to fully appreciate it. And if that has yet to happen for you, well, I am afraid it is out of my hands.

My job as a POTC fan is to defend the movies at all cost. Why do you not understand that?
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will_k_williams
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I think otherwise, I liked the film as I have said on many previous occasions but I'm certainly not going to defend it as one of the greatest films I've ever seen. Curse Of The Black Pearl was inspired, the perfect antidote to a poisonous genre, there was no part of the film I would delete as being unworthy or pointless. The whole was greater than the sum of its parts, something that cannot be said for this film.

I appreciate the film in my own way, I enjoy it very much but it's not ever going to be one of my top five. Rather than defending all POTC films to the death regardless of quality I would rather celebrate its merits and yet acknowledge its shortcomings as well. A realistic appraisal incorporating positive and negative will do more for the films than unbridled praise. For example: if a person uninitiated in the ways of POTC comes here or to any POTC fansite before going to see DMC I would rather say to them 'By all means see it but make sure you watch the first one too, it was better.' than have them see it based on unjustified praise from a loyal fanbase and be disappointed.

As is clear from this and similar threads that the love of DMC is far from unanimous. We are all entitled to our opinions but even you agreed with many of the comments I made initially.
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I agree 100% with everything Will said. Except one thing...

I was kinda dissapointed.
It went from being one of our favorite little movies, to a HUGE Epic.

And I think they killed Jack as a character. Like Will said.

But I still love Norrie. He is amazing. Sword fight with Will and Jack, he totally owned. And I think we saw another fave of his, a new face, and it's an interesting one.


We shouldn't have to make allowances for this film. I was never expecting it to match the original and I tried to make as few assumptions about it as possible. I had no idea in my head what it would be like or what it would really be about but I still felt that it was a disappointing continuation of a world we have grown to love.

Please don't tell me not to overreact I think you'll find that you're as prone to proclaiming your opinions as vociferously as I, we just usually find ourselves on opposing sides.

Will
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Riot
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I can see where youre coming from- this must be horrible for you guys!
I loved the film though I was a wee bit dissapointed. But everyone has their own opinions.


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Depp took Sparrow from an enigma to a buffoon. Falling down the stairs? Please...that was painful to watch. That isn't Sparrow, that's a clown


Keep in mind, he was fearing for his life and soul through the whole thing. He was acting very much like his very cool self until the whole Black Spot thing. You have to keep the circumstances in mind when referring to how the characters are acting.

I agree that for the real Jack it is buffoonish- but what Liz says makes a lot of sense.
((P.S. Hey Liz, good to see you! Remember me? :D))

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We have all been talking about this movie and waiting for it for about two years. We have been building in our heads what it might be like.

Kriss makes sense too.

I think it might all make some more sense when P3 comes out. Some missing puzzle pieces will be found, you know?

Theres a lot mroe I wanted to say but I cant come to think of it right now! :lol:

:heart: Riot
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KrissXed
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:hug: for Riot.

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Please don't tell me not to overreact I think you'll find that you're as prone to proclaiming your opinions as vociferously as I, we just usually find ourselves on opposing sides.


Aye. I jsut find it interesting that you always seem to dissagree with myself, and make a point of letting it be known. Don't be afraid of positivity mate.

<---- Happy person. Dislikes negativity. Dislikes negative energy and comments. Likes happy world.

:)

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will_k_williams
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I have nothing against positivity but why should I pretend to live in a happy and perfect world for your benefit?

As I previously stated we do often end up on directly opposing sides and we both like our opinions to be heard. This is going to end up in conflict at times. Whenever anyone approaches a subject with such conviction there are likely to be people who feel just as strongly for the other perspective. I notice that you are quite willing to say:
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My job as a POTC fan is to defend the movies at all cost.

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I jsut don't understand why everyone is taking this so seriously. Lighten up a little mate. It's just a movie.

Surely two utterly contradictory statements. If you had the courage to stand by your statements then I would have more respect for you. Your current form of debate appears to be the written equivalent of hitting someone then claiming to be a pacifist.

The only reason I mentioned you by name in a post was because I was making two different points in answer to two different posts by two different people. I also mentioned Se7en but she's not accusing me of victimisation.

Will
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KrissXed
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*sigh*

I hate the internet. You can never get your point accross without the proper tone you want to use...

That does put me in quite a predicament, and it would seem that I should now have my foot in my mouth.

Haha... you don't know me very well...

Again for the record, I take nothing seriously, and I certainly don't take much on this board seriously. Does it make me sad that there are Rumrunners who did not like the sequel to their favorite movie? Yes. Do I feel the strong need to defend it? Yes. Am I going to be completely serious while doing it and make it my number one priority to prove that I am right and you are wrong. No.


I am serious in everything I do in my normal life. The last thing I want is to have to be serious here.
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Explosive Calm
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I wouldn't say disappointed, it did start more with random scenes leading the characters from one point to another than actually having a story, and Johnny Depp, why did he remind me so much of Keanu Reeves at points? he didn't seem like Jack all the time, and there was about a thousand references to the first film which got boring for me, it was just "stop with the references already", oh and what was up with that dice game? I got lost there, but I am hoping it'll improve after I see it again.

On the plus side, there was Jack going all Wile E. Coyote down the side of the cliff, and that water wheel fight, that was crazy, sure it did seem to borrow heavily from the Buster Keaton film "The Daydreamers", Buster runs on top and inside, and climbs all around the wheel of a steamboat as it starts moving with him on it, I only saw it a few days ago again by coincidence, got to love those silent movies, anyway, I liked it, 3 out of 5, but I'm hoping it'll improve with more viewing, once I complain about all I didn't like I should start to love it, hope hope. :blink:
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will_k_williams
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If you don't take things seriously then don't start arguments. The last time we crossed swords I seem to remember you being quite serious about the subject. If you don't take any of this seriously then why continue to question the matter? You seem to take it seriously enough to always want the last word on the subject.

You are right, I don't know you, if you want to talk things through in more detail I'm on MSN. My details are in my profile for all to see.

Will
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KrissXed
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Is this how you argue with people? Try your hardest to make them seem like an idiot?

Why are you still going at it? I don't care anymore. Didn't I say that this was over awhile ago?

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And for the record, I neve said you needed multiple viewings to 'get' the film. I said you needed multiple viewing to fully appreciate it. And if that has yet to happen for you, well, I am afraid it is out of my hands.


Yeah I did. But then the personal attacks began. Yes, I'm taking it seriously now. You expect me to not defend myself?

This is over. I'm done argueing with you. It is pointless. This ended when the personality attacks began.

-Kriss-
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I'm going to be very honest here, and if you don't like what I have to say, too bad.



Was I expecting DMC to be as great as the first one? No.

But that doesn't mean that I at least could've walked out of the theatre saying "Gee, that wasn't too awful!" Unfortunately, that was not the case. My parents and I were disappointed with the film's outcome. Yes, it was nice to see Captain Jack back in action, but it was also disheartening because the character soon began to grate my nerves. The character of Jack is so much like the character of the Emcee (from Cabaret). Both have to be played with the right mix of craziness, sleaze, appeal and charm or else they become annoying one dimensional individuals. After a while, Jack began to lose his charm and I was actually more excited to see Jack Davenport as Norrington again. In my opinion, he was the film's saving grace and I only wish he got more screen time (not counting the fights that seemed to drag on forever).

I think the main issue in the movie was poor editing. At times, it seemed spliced and all over the place, making it hard to follow. Not only that, but the film was too long. It didn't have to be two and a half hours like its predecessor. They could've cut an hour off and I bet you the point would have come across much better.

I'll bite my tongue before I go on any further. Those are my general thoughts on the film.

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