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| Jack's Compass; *spoilers* | |
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| nulldevice | Jul 26 2006, 06:45 PM Post #16 |
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That's true that all they said was that Jack had to give up the bearings. If he had the compass, he wouldn't actually have to know the true bearings, would he? So, it's possible th emagic compass was obtained later -- otherwise, had anyone realized this, they certainly wouldn't have marooned Jack along with the compass -- either the first or second time. As to Beckett knowing about the compass, I bet Norrington told him Jack had a compass that "didn't work". Beckett, however, must have some other connections to know about the compass in the first place. Exactly how is hard to say. |
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| KrissXed | Jul 26 2006, 06:53 PM Post #17 |
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Okay.. then here's a question... how did he know the bearing to Isle De Muerta? |
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| d-rose | Jul 26 2006, 07:21 PM Post #18 |
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Um.. well, in dutch translation it was translated as his profession (just checked my dictionary, a cutler is a knife maker) So... Confusion?! |
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| Joe Pancake | Jul 26 2006, 08:18 PM Post #19 |
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That's exactly what I said in one of the threads over at CB! Beckett has to be connected to her in some way. He has knowledge that even Norrington , "the scourge of piracy in the Caribbean" doesn't possess. I mean think about it. In CotBP, when Norrie is taking inventory of Jack's effects he notes (with obvious eyeroll) "a compass that doesn't point north...". and then in DMC, when Jack tells Liz his compass is unique, Norrie chimes in, "Unique, as in broken." So althought a famed pirate hunter he may be, even HE doesn't know the real value/meaning of that compass. So, in my opinion, Beckett has some pretty significant ties with not only Tia, but with Jack as well. Very thought provoking, his enigmatic back story. Of all the subplots, this one is one of the most interesting to me. |
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| nulldevice | Jul 26 2006, 10:18 PM Post #20 |
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Argh... there are two compas threads now, perhaps they should be consolidated? See my comments on the other one about the compass. Norrington is stoill clueless about the compass:
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| RumsGone | Jul 27 2006, 01:35 AM Post #21 |
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I had always wondered that very thing, Dutch. Of course, in COTBP, we all assumed that Jack had the bearings because of that compass...but like you, I had wondered how it was that Barbs (sharp as he is) wouldn't have figured it was something special. There was never anything said explicitly about if Jack had/used the compass back then. Given what we now know, I'm thinking Jack bartered for the compass post-mutiny specifically in order to find the Pearl. The bearings to the Isla de Muerta he may have come upon in much the same way as he got the clue/drawing of the key. It may have been stories and such, and Jack just managed to ferret out how to find the island.
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| Aurora Knight | Jul 27 2006, 08:03 PM Post #22 |
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Are you Dutch? Me too! (Well, ok, only a quarter or so, and I don't speak it. *sadness*) In the English version, his proper name is Cutler Beckett, and Cutler is his first name. It could have been picked by the writers as a reference to his personality, but it's definitely just his name. |
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| Taryn Sparrow | Jul 29 2006, 12:15 AM Post #23 |
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This is a new question about the compass - I posted it on this thread so as not to start something entirely. I read this on IMDB.com and thought I'd post my answer (as well as the question here), so as to stimulate some new ideas. The question about the compass was what was it pointing to when it obviously wasn't working for Jack? I replied: That one could stimulate some really interesting thoughts, I think. What could Jack Sparrow want most in the world - so much so that it interferes with itself? Or is he perhaps thinking so quickly as to how to get one thing that different methods of getting there lead to different paths, and thus different spots on the compass. Well, we know Jack loves women, the sea, and especially the Black Pearl, (his line: "she's only a ship, mate," I can only see being made because he's trying to dull the pain of losing the Pearl). We know Jack didn't want to die, so perhaps the compass was swinging between RUN TO LAND and FIND THE KEY TO BARGAIN WITH DAVY JONES. Or maybe there's something else entirely... So what do you all think? Why could Jack not operate that compass? What does he want? |
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| RumsGone | Jul 29 2006, 01:40 AM Post #24 |
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Interestingly, Ted (one of the writers) answered this question at KTTC:
I found this REALLY interesting in light of several lines in the movie. In Tia's shack, it was Jack who piped up with the answer that it was a woman that vexed Jones ('what vexes all men'). It does seem Jack was a bit vexed himself. And Gibbs used those very words at the beginning, after Marty pointed out Jack was acting strange-er. 'Aye, something's got Jack vexed...' And that of course, brings us to Tia's latching onto the fact that the compass couldn't help Jack find the chest. That either he didn't know what he wanted, or else didn't want to claim it as his own. There would be many reasons why he wouldn't want to claim Liz--she clearly drives him nuts (in both good and bad ways, LOL), she's already been claimed by Will, and of course, he knows that really, she'd have a much more stable (much more better? LOL) life with Will for just a start. It'll be very interesting to see how all this plays out in P3.
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| KrissXed | Jul 29 2006, 01:58 AM Post #25 |
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Oh. My. Gosh. *Bounces up and down* I love how they write. They write sotries to the point hat it makes perfect sense but only after it has been explained, and then you feel stupid for not having noticed.. It' EXXCELLENT! ![]() EDIT I just spoke to my mom on the subject. I was explaining it and I said that someone on the board had asked what the compass had been pointing to, and her immediate response was Liz. I have seen this movie 6 times, her three... and she got this in the first viewing... How sad am I? Did anyone else get this? |
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| Taryn Sparrow | Jul 29 2006, 03:00 AM Post #26 |
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My God, you mean Ted came out and SAID Jack was attracted to Elizabeth!??? Best keep that under wraps or the Jack/Liz shippers will go mad! As a fanfiction writer myself, (having paired my main character up with Sparrow, as is referenced by my name), that comes as a great blow!! It's hard to write fanfiction when you know the 'reality' of the movie is geared towards something else!! I think I may be quite sad now.... |
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| KrissXed | Jul 29 2006, 04:50 AM Post #27 |
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![]() I was already a Liz Jack shipper.... so I'm all for this. And I think she loves him, too... or at least the idea of him. |
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| mttomb | Jul 29 2006, 04:51 AM Post #28 |
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Great, so this means there are three hot guys in the film and they're all irresistably attracted to Liz.
:rolleyes: It just ain't right. (Yeah, I probably sound bitter. I don't care. )
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| KrissXed | Jul 29 2006, 04:52 AM Post #29 |
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Yes, I amd that observation in the first viewing.... It's no longer a love triangle.... it's a love square...
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| pirategirl0306 | Jul 29 2006, 05:00 AM Post #30 |
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Well, I don't know that Norrie actually loves Elizabeth that much anymore. He did say on the ship, "There was a time when I would have given anything for you to look like that while thinking about me." Although, there was the look on his face when she was kissing Will on Isla Cruces...hmm, maybe he's just pretending not love her anymore! Elizabeth has all the luck. I find that really interesting that the writers actually made Elizabeth the reason that Jack was having trouble with his compass. After the whole black spot issue, I could understand his confusion, but before that, I wasn't sure. Now we know! It was Lizzie! |
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I have seen this movie 6 times, her three... and she got this in the first viewing...


8:33 AM Jul 11