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Virginia Tech and Gun Laws; Someone had to do it
Topic Started: Apr 18 2007, 03:35 PM (3,155 Views)
lori
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Lori
I live in the country. There's one county, in this state, that actually shuts down during hunting season because they know attendance will so low, it's not worth bothering. I'm sure there are a lot of cultures in my own country where they go buy handguns to kill pigs or bust a cap in each other's asses. Here, the people hunt with their guns. And those are the people that own guns, those are the people giving NRA their donations. I know a lot of people who own guns. None of them own them because they might need to kill someone.

It's a big place. You can't generalize that the entire country sees guns as weapons and that we all want them for that reason.

If the availability of guns were the only cause for these crimes, and this was not a crime of passion in any way--it was planned for months, then why now? If anything, gun laws were more lax 40+ years ago but no one worried about Johnny taking a gun to school and killling his friends and teachers. I firmly believe it is irresponsible to attribute this simply to gun control and then wonder why those silly Americans don't just get with it.
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Lea
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I don't like Mondays

The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload
And nobody’s gonna go to school today
She’s gonna make them stay at home
And daddy doesn’t understand it
He always said she was good as gold
And he can see no reasons
'Cos there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be show-ow-ow-ow-own?

Tell me why
I don’t like Mondays
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The Telex machine is kept so clean
And it types to a waiting world
And mother feels so shocked
Father’s world is rocked
And their thoughts turn to their own little girl
Sweet 16 ain’t that peachy keen
Now that ain’t so neat to admit defeat
They can see no reasons
'Cos there are no reasons
What reasons do you need?
Oh Oh Oh Oh

Tell me why
I don’t like Mondays
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I wanna shoo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oot
The whole day down, down, down, shoot it all down

And all the playing's stopped in the playground now
She wants to play with her toys a while
And school's out early and soon we'll be learning
And the lesson today is how to die
And then the bullhorn crackles
And the captain tackles
With the problems and the hows and whys
And he can see no reasons
'Cos there are no reasons
What reason do you need to die, die?
Oh Oh Oh

Tell me why
I don’t like Mondays
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Evil_Henry
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I am certain - completely certain - that if guns were as freely available in this country it would be an absolute bloodbath.

At the moment we mainly have gangs killing each other - although the ages of those gangs is getting lower all the time. The murder and suicide rates would multiply by tens, perhaps hundreds when you factor in the insane amount of alcohol consumed in Britain and Ireland.

I'd like a gun but not at the expense of everyone else having them. Where's the security in that? <_<
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RevWolf
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here's the link you missed or wouldn't take notice of.
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Evil_Henry
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What in fuck does 'rort' mean? :blink:
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Pestiferous
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In all fairness, Rev, the vast majority of guns were destroyed - it was just this one man who was contracted to destroy the weapons that didn't do his job.

This is like taking a story about a cop who sold the drugs he confiscated, and then claiming the whole entire judicial system is bullshit and worthless.

I don't understand America's obsession with handguns, and I agree with Swords- they are now seen as accessories. The point about gun laws wouldn't be to "deny rights" or to deny the fact that you can get a gun illegally easily enough. The point about gun laws would be to emphasize that owning a gun is a big responsibility.

The harder it would be to get a gun permit, the more emphasis is put on this being a GUN, a weapon that can kill a person, ruin your life, etc. and give a gun more worth in ownership than a television set, or microwave.

I think Americans have forgotten that a gun isn't a regular household item, and to treat it as such, with a nonchalant attitude, is what's killing everyone. Devalue guns, and you devalue human life.

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Evil_Henry
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Good points! :)
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Pestiferous
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Paul's baiting you over in Tart's group, Lea. Just so's you know.


Lol, I read it.

Making a whole new thread to comment on Lea's writing style is hilarious for two reasons:

1) He can't get enough of her, and it's obvious

2) She never claimed to be a writer, while he does

Anyone who claims to be a writer is subject to criticism regarding their writing. Lea never claimed to be a writer, so to dedicate an entire thread complaining about it is bitter, and more than a little sad.

No more tears, Paul. No more tears.
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ErgonomicLogic
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Devalue marijuana use and you devalue human lives. Making it illegal only entices people more to try it! I'm just sayin.
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Evil_Henry
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What's wrong with marijuana? If everyone here gave up alcohol for pot, our hospitals would be in much better shape.
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Pestiferous
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Comparing marijuana to guns?

What is with Americans?
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serendipity
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i live in north central Pennsylvania where deer hunting is a right of passage.
(watch the movie "the deer hunter"- robert deniro)

the men here eat, sleep and drink it.

the first day of buck season is a local holiday... no school and most businesses are closed.

i take offense to the idea that "americans" think of guns as weapons only.

maybe they do in the major cities, NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami... but not here and i'd say most of the rest of the country.

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RevWolf
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well shit, Americans use guns for legitimate reasons too. that must be a shock to the American bash club.
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Well after much deliberation, i have come up with the ultimate solution to this dilemma. I think we need to put all of those who have been institiutionalized for being psychotically deranged into a database and then when they go to get their gun, they are given a bubble gun instead. This solves the threat of these massacres, and makes the world a nicer place as there will be more bubbles floating about randomly...

Aside from that, shootings like this are usually done by angry marginalized individuals. If guns are to be freely allowed, the very least that can be done is some sort of screening process where a psychological test has to be passed to prove you are not some sort of psychopath. It would be nice if there weren't so many guns floating around, and if the gun culture wasn't so 'cool' as Wes stated. This remains a very big problem for society that there is no easy answer to at all. That said, allowing things to remain as they are is only going to result in more of what has already been happening. Unmoderated access for psychopaths to instant killing devices just makes no sense whatsoever.
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Mori
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all I can think right now is, "ouch."
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Cygnus-X1
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Yes, it would hurt to be shot with a gun.
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RevWolf
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Australia had one.

America has had.. and will continue to have.. many.





Forgetting that Julian Knight shot 7 dead and wounded 19, Frank Vitkovic shot 8 and wounded 5, Wade Frankum bagged 7 and wounded another 7, and a honorable mention to Huan Xiang, who doesn't really get the title of mass killer, shooting only 2 dead and wounding 5. But he did it in a university, so that must count for something. I probably should mention the ruckus between the Bandidos and Comancheros where 7 died, but hey, I think I've proved by now lea doesn't have a clue about the history of this country, let alone it's laws.
Now this gun buyback-

HALF a billion dollars spent buying back hundreds of thousands of guns after the Port Arthur massacre had no effect on the homicide rate, says a study published in an influential British journal.

The report by two Australian academics, published in the British Journal of Criminology, said statistics gathered in the decade since Port Arthur showed gun deaths had been declining well before 1996 and the buyback of more than 600,000 mainly semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns had made no difference in the rate of decline.

The only area where the package of Commonwealth and State laws, known as the National Firearms Agreement (NFA) may have had some impact was on the rate of suicide, but the study said the evidence was not clear and any reductions attributable to the new gun rules were slight.

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Evil_Henry
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What do you think, Rev? Guns without licenses freely available? How about fully automatics and stuff above that? Mini-guns - rocket launchers?

It's always cloudy where people draw the line. I'd love a rifle, just for sport and maybe family defence. It's very difficult to conceal and unsuited to close quarters use. Seems relatively safe, as far as guns go. Hand guns are just murder items to me, no real justifiable use except for the police.
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I have to admit that the older I get, the less I care about any of this shit.
Kiss me, I'm shit faced.
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