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Tiger Bone Wine; It's ok! It's their culture!
Topic Started: Apr 20 2007, 03:30 PM (270 Views)
Evil_Henry
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More insanity from the east - this time, wanton mindless cruelty for the purpose of superstition alone! Hurray!

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China criticised for 'tiger wine'

China has come under fire for allowing tigers to be bred for the production of so-called "tiger bone wine".

The drink is reportedly made by steeping tiger carcasses in rice wine. Those who drink the wine believe it makes them strong.

Chinese delegates at the International Tiger Symposium in Nepal are arguing for the lifting of a current ban on the trade in tiger bones and skins.

But other Asian nations with threatened tiger populations want the ban to stay.

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Coming back to the 'it's their tradition' subjectivity nonsense. Should we impose our cultural standards on others?
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It IS a specific culture - but lifting the ban would affect OTHER cultures as well.

Tiger Bone Wine isn't important to me, but I honestly can't see the difference between a man drinking Tiger Bone Wine made from bred captive tigers to make himself strong, and a woman wearing a mink coat made from bred minks to make herself beautiful.

Both are ridiculous to me...but I can't see why one should be more acceptable than the other. Animals dying for vanity - happens in "our" culture all the time.

"Our" culture uses babies foreskins in anti-aging skin creams without their consent. Lovely, our culture is...

But, there is a real issue of tigers and extinction which needs, for the rest of the world's benefit, to be accounted for. Lifting the ban will encourage more hunting, and god forbid they decide tiger bone wine made from wild tigers is better. I say allow the wine from bred tigers to go on, but don't raise the ban on tigers in the wild.

In reality, aside from tigers being an obviously better looking animal than a cow, is this THAT much different than anyone who breeds animals to consume them?

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Evil_Henry
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Yes! Everyone loves predators!

I always have significant difficulty in mustering respect for grazers - whose evolution has lead them to this unenviable life of consuming grass for 16 hours a day. Nonsense creatures that deserve no respect! The graceful tiger, however, is different. Simply put - cows are shit and tigers rule. Ok, that was probably a little too simply put, but anyway.

Would you drink it though? Could be tasty.

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Pestiferous
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I wouldn't drink it for a couple reasons:

1) I don't care for wine

2) I wouldn't wear a fur coat, either

Now, if they made tiger chocolates we could have problems.

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I'm very against the fur trade - simply killing an animal for vanity is vile in my opinion. It's not required for warmth, it's not the only option - it's not even more comfortable.

I'd skin pretty much any animal for warmth if necessary - it just isn't. As for tiger bone wine, the practice of boiling a tiger isn't based on medicine, it's based on tigers being strong therefore imbibing their juices gives strength.

It is their culture, it's also bollocks. Should 'we' enforce our values onto others? Yes - because many people who aren't me, for example, can't find their ass with both hands.

Leave tigers alone - there are hardly any left and everyone knows grape based wine is infinitely superior.

You should see what they (the Chinese, that is) do to moon bears - but not if you're prone to emotion. It's utterly horrific.

Bile Bears - wikipedia
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Should 'we' enforce our values onto others? Yes - because many people who aren't me, for example, can't find their ass with both hands.



And what values are we instilling, exactly? That you can't milk a bear for bile, but it's perfectly fine to keep a sow in a state of perpetual pregnancy, unable to move more than a few inches back and forth each day, until her ankles collapse under her weight and she dies of asphyxiation?

Because that is what happens everyday in pig farms where your yummy bacon comes from.

Or our other values, where we strap newborn babies to circumstraints and cut off their foreskins (sometimes with no anaesthetic) telling the public it's for health reasons, but selling those foreskins to the skin cream industry?

Because guess what? We do that, too.

Or how about rabbits that get test shampoos rubbed in their eyes, and force-fed down their throats either poisoning them quickly or slowly forcing them into renal and liver failure, or forced into their vaginas to see if the concoction is "gentle" enough for humans?

Sure, tigers and bears are cute! But our cultural beliefs in the name of vanity are really no better.
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And what values are we instilling, exactly? That you can't milk a bear for bile, but it's perfectly fine to keep a sow in a state of perpetual pregnancy, unable to move more than a few inches back and forth each day, until her ankles collapse under her weight and she dies of asphyxiation?

Because that is what happens everyday in pig farms where your yummy bacon comes from.


I pay more for organic, free range etc.


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Or our other values, where we strap newborn babies to circumstraints and cut off their foreskins (sometimes with no anaesthetic) telling the public it's for health reasons, but selling those foreskins to the skin cream industry?

Because guess what? We do that, too.


I agree with you on the foreskin argument. I can honestly say I have never circumcised a child, or supported the circumcision of a child.

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Or how about rabbits that get test shampoos rubbed in their eyes, and force-fed down their throats either poisoning them quickly or slowly forcing them into renal and liver failure, or forced into their vaginas to see if the concoction is "gentle" enough for humans?


I buy stuff that's not been tested on animals. Body Shop, etc. They're Fair Trade as well! :clapping:

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True, but in our cultures these things are widely accepted.

So, shouldn't we bring our culture to some sort of standard before pointing and going "Ew, barbarians!" at others?
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I certainly think it's hypocritical if you accept those things in our culture - and then point your finger at the tiger bone wine and yell about it.

The tiger thing is probably a more pressing issue, since we're running out of tigers. ALL of these things should be stopped, but if an animal is in danger of extinction, surely it should be the priority?
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Hmm, this is why I agree the ban should NOT be lifted. And I think other parameters on the law should be set, ie. the numbers of tigers in the wild dwindle to a certain number, the bred tigers should be confiscated for breeding programs to replenish it...with suitable compensation towards the farmers, of course.

BUT, these bred tigers are not suitable for the wild, and a captive breeding program could come in handy - there are laws against poaching tigers already, but they are not abided by.

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As most of you know, I belong to PETA -- People Eating Tasty Animals.
If an animal is not an endangered species, but is raised purely for commercial purposes, or available during a regulated hunting season, I have no problem eating it's meat, or wearing it's hide or fur.

On the other hand, I've never applied foreskin cream to my face, or other bodily parts.

I must say though, this is the first I've heard of this tiger boner wine thing.
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foreskin cream? I had to look this up, it was too bizarre not to. anyway I found this
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Apr 20 2007, 06:53 PM
foreskin cream? I had to look this up, it was too bizarre not to. anyway I found this

Having just read the articles in the link, I'm thinking that the product is just more quasi-holistic "bunk".
Also, if these miracle ingredients are contained in the babie's foreskin, because the body hasn't started to age yet, then by that same token, couldn't we use the whole baby for anti-aging products, in addition to just its foreskin? It's such a waste of an entire baby to just use the foreskin, and discard the rest. And if that worked, we could use babies of both genders to make our miracle products.
And yes, the alleged smell. Who'd want to stink of smegma anyway? :vomit:
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China is a modernized nation state, it has systemically descecrated & abograted its own historical & cultural heritage for more than 60 years. They have no standing.
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Apr 21 2007, 12:02 AM
It's such a waste of an entire baby to just use the foreskin, and discard the rest. And if that worked, we could use babies of both genders to make our miracle products.

Don't worry, you can use baby-mash for many things.


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A barbaric kind of beauty

The promise: Treatments range from the injection of stem cells from animals such as cows and pigs to injecting cells taken from the umbilical cords or livers of aborted human foetuses. 'Foetal tissue has been shown to be highly rich in regenerative stem cells which, when injected into adults, helps the body fight the ageing process,' says Dr Elena Bochkaryova.

'I have had patients who leave my clinic after a course of injections looking and feeling ten years younger than when they came in.' The reality: RUSSIA and the Ukraine currently top the world abortion league, with more of the operations carried out here than anywhere else on earth. Evidence gathered by the Moscow police department has shown a growing black market in aborted foetuses, which are smuggled into Russia from the Ukraine and Georgia.

Here, poverty-stricken young women are paid 200 U.S. dollars to carry babies up to the optimum eight to 12-week period - thought to be best for harvesting stem cells. They are then sold on to cosmetic clinics.

'The cavalier attitude of Russian cosmetic surgeons is grotesque,' says Dr Minger. 'The origin of the cells is ethically immoral. Furthermore, they don't bother to test for compatibility between the cells injected and the patient who receives them. Medical risks from complications can include infection, tumours and rejection of foreign tissue.'

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The 'Medische Tuchtcollege'(medical disciplinary review board) is a sham in the Netherlands. Never seek medical care in the Netherlands, when something goes wrong, you won't get a dime, much less the satisfaction of disciplinary action taken against the attending physician, not even when they are grossly at fault.
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Dr Minger? haha
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Minger is a deeply unfortunate surname for a doctor. Mengele, however, would be worse. <_<
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The 'Medische Tuchtcollege'(medical disciplinary review board) is a sham in the Netherlands. Never seek medical care in the Netherlands, when something goes wrong, you won't get a dime, much less the satisfaction of disciplinary action taken against the attending physician, not even when they are grossly at fault.



I'm not sure what is worse, living in a country with no regulations or disciplinary actions on the errors of their doctors...or living in a country where doctors are so scared of possible legal backlash they can't even deliver babies.

My sister's doctor, despite him giving her prenatal examinations and advice all throughout her pregnancy, threw his hands up in the air and said "I'm not an obstetrician" when she went into labour yesterday...she and her husband had to drive 2 1/2 hours to the nearest city, despite there being no complications whatsoever. She could have had the baby on the side of the road, which her doctor would have deemed a better situation than he being in charge and having something go wrong.

Bloody coward.
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Despite all that bullshit, she's okay, right?
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