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MAKE SURE YOU READ THE WHOLE THING Guess who thinks "teaching is a complete waste of time" yes you guessed correctly chat rat aka paul here is a conversation i saved with me Oli aka Shao and Dom aka BOZO the conversation has a lot of shit from the start however the argument is just after the buddah debate who is right please say me and dom we say teaching is good read the whole thing to get a jist of what are convos might be like There a load of shit at the start about us talking about his new site which will soon be spammed across the board by yours truly lol dont delete this it is actually INTERESTING TO READ, AND U WILL KNOW WHAT A NICE PERSON PAUL REALLY IS AND ALSO HOW IGGNORANT HE IS lol sorry rat Rat says: Hey, do you have any graphics apps like photoshop or ulead or anything like that? OLI..P says: lol i was just talking about then OLI..P says: no i dont Rat says: damn. OLI..P says: get GIMP Rat says: you're the second person to tell me to get gimp Rat says: have you got it? OLI..P says: marc told u that too huh Rat says: no, Will did OLI..P says: ok lol Rat says: Last time I spoke to Marc I was freaking out because I thought you were pissed off with me. Rat says: I was going to get him to ring you and tell you to get ur arse back into IM - but he doesn't have your number OLI..P says: have u done that website yet OLI..P says: he used too OLI..P says: i got a new phone Rat says: I'm downloading stuff and working on bits and pieces. I did a navbar, now I'm trying to make it animate nicely OLI..P says: i onyl used it to phone him like once when i was guna go to school in the morning and wanted him to spar me at this tree thing Rat sends: Open(Alt+P) Rat says: My phone has been:)switched off a*l *eek. You have successfully received C:\Users\Oliver\Documents\My Received Files\navbar.gif*from Rat. Rat says: Would you be able to mess around with that and get it looking teh secks? OLI..P says: im kind of busy at the moment OLI..P says: thats not anything like a menu OLI..P says: it sucks Rat says: it's a navbar, not a menu OLI..P says: its all horrible silver Rat says: I like horrible silver OLI..P says: make like a mcdonalds menu OLI..P says: then u will get loads of visitors Rat says: Don't want idle gawkers, I want people to use the site because it's full of content, not prettiness Rat says: (I loathe prettiness with every fibre of my existence) Rat says: If it's pretty, it should be fkn shot) Rat says: But just for you, I'll create something different. Something that combines what the site is about without making it look or feel too much like a splash page - which really are the last word in internet failures. OLI..P says: make a menu like mcdonalds or burger king OLI..P says: if its pretty u will get more members OLI..P says: and the more members u got the more chace of having good members Rat says: I'll work on it. OLI..P says: if u make a menu i will help u with ur site Rat says: The thing about McDonalds menus is that you have all those shitty images up the top and they're mixed in with all menu items. Doing that would take up half a page and I haven't got that much to put in the site yet to take care of that many links. OLI..P says: dont make it take up half a page Rat says: I shall have to pay another visit to a maccas to see what I can do. I only go there maybe 5 times a year. OLI..P says: just like a top bar OLI..P says: with 4 different meals OLI..P says: 5 OLI..P says: maybe like across nothing verticle OLI..P says: ill show u what i means when i have done this cwk Rat says: it was going to be across anyway, Verticle menus just look silly unless they're 45 items long or thereabouts OLI..P says: yh Rat says: What's the cwk you're doing atm? OLI..P says: im evaluating Professional powerpoints OLI..P says: in the summer i will have lots of free time to help u with ur site but right now i dont Rat says: that's ok. I'm only stressing for my lack of design skills OLI..P says: make the site look gd thats what gets people thu the door OLI..P says: imagine a good looking 4chan Rat says: Irony - I used to respect cfus - now that place is dead. Rat says: And people from 4chan are there. OLI..P says: what is cfus Rat says: www.cfus.net they fancy themselves as the best website designers on the planet when really, all they do is make money by arranging porn links on their sites. OLI..P says: lol OLI..P says: a good website gets people thu the door if its just content i wouldent give it a second glance Rat says: Yeah, there are lots of people like that. I used to be one of them. OLI..P says: well then all the good members will just pass by OLI..P says: if u want kids to visit ur website u need make it look good OLI..P says: colourful OLI..P says: lol flashy OLI..P says: like the teletubbies Rat says: But not annoyingly so. When they come to actually use it, they don't want it full of clutter. OLI..P says: no OLI..P says: just a nice border and a menu will be enough Rat says: pretty much. OLI..P says: and that info burger symbolk is kool Rat says: oh shit... which one? Rat says: The one I morphed from burger king? OLI..P says: yep OLI..P says: i liked it Rat says: ah crap, do you still have that? OLI..P says: um i doubt it Rat says: I've formatted my hd twice since I did that. OLI..P says: i might ill have a look 4 it next time i uses my old pc Rat says: k OLI..P says: lol u need make the site big so it can be like your job OLI..P says: making lots of money Rat says: Matey, it's going to be a full time thing just keeping the filth out of it. Rat says: As soon as word gets out it's a place where schoolies and other youngsters go, the filth will be drawn there like bees to a friggen honey pot. OLI..P says: get all users over 30 to pay to join Rat says: Site security and protecting the members is absolutely going to be my highest priority OLI..P says: i dont understand why kids would go on it though Rat says: I don't care if ppl over 30 pay through the nose, I don't want anyone over 18 or 19 getting at the board I want to set up for students. OLI..P says: why would they go on it Rat says: You've seen the site "ratemyteacher.com"? OLI..P says: i dont see what would attract them there Rat says: ppl over 30? OLI..P says: no kids Rat says: homework cheats? Rat says: for a start OLI..P says: u will get closed down for that Rat says: hence the tight security Rat says: that and keeping filth out OLI..P says: HOW CAN U MAKE MONEY FROM FREE HOMEWORK CHEATS Rat says: sms a code for music downloads Rat says: sell merch OLI..P says: no one will post homework on there Rat says: I will OLI..P says: ppl will only take it and run OLI..P says: they wont post anything OLI..P says: i think you have some serious misconceptions Rat says: Oli, if you ask the right questions, you can get almost anything you want. Rat says: Make a section for homework cheats and people will use it OLI..P says: how does that make money Rat says: that section won't. OLI..P says: people wont post there homework on it OLI..P says: they will only want to take it Rat says: ppl will post assignment stuff and questions they want help with. I've had so much of that from kids already. OLI..P says: yh they want OLI..P says: they wont care about helping other ppl Rat says: You'd be surprised. OLI..P says: i think you will be Rat says: Someone pops up a question and everyone reckons they can answer it. OLI..P says: u are only guna attract nerdy kids Rat says: To that board? Perhaps. Rat says: But there'll be other boards, and other content. OLI..P says: like ? Rat says: Well, tvfr for a start. And we'll have merch, we'll have music, we'll have reviews, competition type things, a board like b3ta, the homework board, a links section, polls... all that sort of stuff. Rat says: links section meaning links the members like OLI..P says: are a review OLI..P says: and a random board OLI..P says: review board is gd OLI..P says: reviews OLI..P says: brb Rat says: plus people will ask for stuff and we'll set it up Rat says: k OLI..P says: u need a question and aswer board Rat says: then we'll have one. OLI..P says: people ask a question then everyone answers OLI..P says: u need that like as a main feature OLI..P says: and u need a board where u can start Polls OLI..P says: if u need to research OLI..P says: and u need a tutoial board OLI..P says: and a top ten board for products and stuff Rat says: I've already sounded out a few people to take care of the tutorial board. Chris in Texas is happy to answer computer hardware questions, Andrew in Queensland eats, sleeps and breathes in code... and other people I know will jump on board for other stuff if I ask them to. OLI..P says: excellent OLI..P says: make it like a thing where people go for information Rat says: hence the name, right? Rat says: infoburger OLI..P says: yep OLI..P says: its a great name OLI..P says: it is catchy OLI..P says: and u wont forget it Rat says: hell, you were there when it was invented. Rat says: ok, so it was 12 months ago, but still. OLI..P says: yes i am the founder lol Rat says: The baptismal bishop OLI..P says: what did u call me OLI..P says: oh i see im a bishop because im not an athist Rat says: You can be the baptismal bishop and I'll be the cardinal sin. OLI..P says: why u always having a go at me about religion Rat says: I wasn't. OLI..P says: u are all the time Rat says: But naming something is christening it or baptising it... and who does those services? OLI..P says: im not christian though Rat says: It wouldn't make a difference to me if you were a Jewish Druid Wiccan, Oli. OLI..P says: im not any of them Rat says: Doesn't matter, I like you just as you are. OLI..P says: lol im part of a satanic bozo the clown cult i behead people Rat says: as long as you don't behead kids, I couldn't care less. OLI..P says: i behead babies Rat says: and satanic clowns are enormous Rat says: oh babies are fine. Rat says: blow them up, behead them... it's all win OLI..P says: u r sick Rat says: it's 3am. I'm allowed to be anything at this time of night OLI..P says: fair enough OLI..P says: have u heard of zoroaster Rat says: yep OLI..P says: kl OLI..P says: where from Rat says: It's been around for thousands of years. If you look at it in any detail, you'll see where the writers of the old testament found most of their ideas. OLI..P says: yeah it seems to be the beggining of all major religions like musilm jewish and christian Rat says: I don't really have a problem with religion as such, what bothers me is evangelists. OLI..P says: what is wrong with them Rat says: They basically all say the same thing "Believe what we believe or you're going to die/go to hell" OLI..P says: yh i hate that OLI..P says: i like buddhism OLI..P says: religion makes more scence then science OLI..P says: to me anyway OLI..P says: the big bang doesent seem possible Rat says: The problem we have is twofold OLI..P says: some things must be eternal to make it happen they are like an effect without a cuase which isent logical in science Rat says: and that's part of it - our human brain can't comprehend infinity, eternity or nothingness. OLI..P says: because nothing doesent exist OLI..P says: if the big bang started everything how did it happen Rat says: Ok, so if the big bang were the start of everything - what caused the big bang? What came just before the big bang? There never was a time when nothing existed. Rat says: we're on the same page, aren't we. OLI..P says: yes OLI..P says: everything to me is eternal OLI..P says: nothing is the same as everything Rat says: And we also can't get a mental grip on our own non-existence - death in other words OLI..P says: i can Rat says: We can't comprehend "not being" OLI..P says: because it doesent matter OLI..P says: and because we are never not being Rat says: so you believe in the hereafter? OLI..P says: the things we cant comprehend are things impossible in are dimension OLI..P says: i belive in riencarnation Rat says: So what do you think you might have been in a previous life? Rat says: And do you think you were meant to achieve something more than that in this life? OLI..P says: i dont know OLI..P says: i think you dont have to achive OLI..P says: we are not set goals OLI..P says: we keep going around until we escape Rat says: escape to where? Rat says: Nirvana? OLI..P says: enlighten OLI..P says: ment OLI..P says: u can escape to different heavens before enlightenment OLI..P says: but the gods also have to riencarnate Rat says: so perpetual life then but only limited consciousness. OLI..P says: i think everything is the same, and enlightenment is reealising that and becoming everything OLI..P says: or realising you are evrything OLI..P says: its just are ego and desires that seperate us OLI..P says: enlitenment is the realistaion that there never was a you OLI..P says: buddhism and taoism are the only things which make any sense to me Rat says: I like philosophy, perspective and behavioral psychology OLI..P says: people are afraid of enlightenment its a scary thought losing everything and being engulfed in the void OLI..P says: to people the thought feels similar to that of dieing Rat says: or having their privacy completely stripped from them OLI..P says: yes OLI..P says: but that is nirvana because they wont care anymore OLI..P says: it is taught that all life is suffering and we are ignorant of it OLI..P says: we desire things and then when we have them we fear to lose them OLI..P says: desire is the main blockage bettween one and enlightenment Rat says: this is buddhist teaching Rat says: have no attachments OLI..P says: have as few items as possible OLI..P says: however have no emotional attachment to anything OLI..P says: thats what keeps you being you Rat says: I live by that for the most part OLI..P says: we were all once part of the void and kinda still are except desire has made us forget we are a part of it Rat says: But I also have things I want to do and for that I need tools. OLI..P says: becuase we desire to be ourselves OLI..P says: what u meaning ? Rat says: The ideas you have that you would like others to know - how do you tell people what those ideas are? OLI..P says: talking ??? Rat says: precisely OLI..P says: so whats your point Rat says: And isn't the internet a rather handy tool for telling more and more people about your ideas? OLI..P says: yes OLI..P says: where are you going with this Rat says: So isn't a tool which gives you access to the internet rather important to you if you're going to tell people what you think? OLI..P says: so u saying u desire it ? OLI..P says: if you desire it for your own benefit this is bad desire Rat says: I'm saying it augments your mind. OLI..P says: if you and everyone else is part of the void and you use it to help them you are helping yourself OLI..P says: it doesent argument my mind Rat says: Like weapons makers keep building bigger and better weapons to destroy an opponent's ideas, so the internet and computers make getting our own ideas - spreading our thoughts - so much easier. OLI..P says: im not sure what you are meaning Rat says: It's the difference between letter box dropping a hundred of your neighbours or announcing something to 10 thousand people in a day Rat says: It's about voice OLI..P says: i dont understand how this contradicts buddhism Rat says: it doesn't. OLI..P says: so u just changed the subject lol kk Rat says: it's just a neat little bit of paradox is all OLI..P says: i dont understand the paradox i dont see were it is OLI..P says: i see no contradictions i dont know what u are on about Rat says: It's the need to have access to the biggest the thing on the planet in order to get across the notion we'd all be much happier if we had less of it. OLI..P says: this is possible without desire for ourselfs desire to help others is ok OLI..P says: because in the end we are all the same Rat says: but at the same time, if the internet was all we had, we'd still be so much happier not being encumbered with everything we see on the internet. OLI..P says: only if we had no desire for it OLI..P says: if we desired it and dident use it we would be unhappy OLI..P says: if we had no desire we would be happy Rat says: That's where Buddism and I tend to go our separate ways. Rat says: I don't think so much that it is a lack of desire which produces happiness. OLI..P says: then i dont think you understand OLI..P says: its a lack of us without us we cannot be unhappy Rat says: I tend to feel that achieving something is a better way to find happiness. Rat says: But we are us. OLI..P says: no Rat says: We can't escape our singularity even as part of a bigger whole. OLI..P says: achiving something will make you happy yes OLI..P says: if u dont desire it you will be happy all the time which it takes you to achive it OLI..P says: you can escpae singularity OLI..P says: because you are not single OLI..P says: none of this is real Rat says: nevertheless, we still have to deal with it. Rat says: as if it were. OLI..P says: thats what makes us unhappy Rat says: you have to eat, drink and protect yourself from the elements. OLI..P says: yes all because of desire and entrapment in this world Rat says: entrapment? It's rather a nice place to be entrapped, don't you think? OLI..P says: no OLI..P says: all life is suffering OLI..P says: in comparison with nirvana Rat says: Big trees are beautiful, music is outstanding, people are fascinating OLI..P says: suffering Rat says: There's so much to enjoy in this world. OLI..P says: and so much pain OLI..P says: the image of yourself covers up what is actually pain OLI..P says: people are ignorant to it OLI..P says: i am ignorant to it Rat says: if you can't perceive pain, do you really have it? OLI..P says: yes OLI..P says: it is pain compared to nirvana Rat says: so we're told OLI..P says: everything is going to end with pain OLI..P says: in all your cyles of life OLI..P says: endless Rat says: That doesn't sound like the Buddhism I know. OLI..P says: then you dont know alot about it OLI..P says: the buddah concluded that all life is pain Rat says: or perhaps I know more than I'm saying OLI..P says: losing yourself is the method to escape it because that way you cannot be reborn into it OLI..P says: because you or your ego no longer exists OLI..P says: but if you know more about it then why not say OLI..P says: spiritual teaching is the highest form of charity Rat says: Teaching anything is a complete waste of time. The art of imparting knowledge is in the recipient's capacity to learn. OLI..P says: its not a waste of time Rat says: If you're ready to learn, you will learn. Rat says: If you're not ready to learn, teaching is futile OLI..P says: if you wernt taught about buddhism then you wouldent be able to get enlightened Rat says: If I learned it for myself, I would OLI..P says: however you could learn quicker f someone taught you Rat says: I could learn quicker if someone helped me learn OLI..P says: therefore it is not a waste of time if you are ready to learn OLI..P says: you can learn by someone teaching you so its not a waste of time Rat says: erm, actually, no. You learn by learning. You can learn from someone else if they let you, if they show you... but they could show you when you're not ready and they would be wasting their time. Rat says: Learning is up to the learner, not the teacher OLI..P says: if someone teaches me something i can learn it OLI..P says: however if the learner wants to learn he can be taught Rat says: you can look at it that way, I prefer not to. OLI..P says: you said learning was a complete waste of time and now you say You can learn from someone else if they let yo OLI..P says: you contradicted yourself Rat says: I said teaching was a complete waste of time. OLI..P says: it isent Rat says: make a bet? OLI..P says: ok Rat says: did they teach you to spell isent like that, or did they teach you to spell it like this: isn't. OLI..P says: isn,t and i can spell it like that i choose not to on the internet but i spell it like that in tests OLI..P says: actually they told me spell is not OLI..P says: which i do more often Rat says: They taught me many many things when I was in school. Most of it I've forgotten or never learnt it - except how to type. OLI..P says: then u have learnt from there teaching Rat says: They taught me about cumulo nimbus clouds and trigonometry - all sorts of stuff... OLI..P says: im taught trig and i learnt it OLI..P says: teaching is not a waste of time OLI..P says: without it the country would collapse Rat says: If all 'teachers' did was facilitate learning, I would agree with you OLI..P says: imagine if your parents never taught you how to speak OLI..P says: by speaking to you they teach you the sounds Rat says: But how much trigonometry do you think you're going to use once you leave school? OLI..P says: and you learn them OLI..P says: triganomety probably not alot OLI..P says: but they still taught me OLI..P says: and i learnt Rat says: do you think you'll forget how to speak? OLI..P says: no Rat says: why not? OLI..P says: because i have been doing it for the past 13 years and im not likely to stop Rat says: how do you think you learned to speak? OLI..P says: from my families Rat says: you learned it by doing it. OLI..P says: no i learned it by being taught Rat says: by needing to do it and learning how. OLI..P says: yes and i learned by being taught Rat says: How could they teach you if you couldn't speak their language? OLI..P says: because you copy them Rat says: You mimicked your parents OLI..P says: yes Rat says: Suppose you didn't. OLI..P says: and then they taught me more words once i had the basics Rat says: suppose you ignored them from the day you were born. OLI..P says: if i wasent taught i couldent have learned OLI..P says: if i wasent taught how to write i couldent have learned OLI..P says: therfore teaching isent a complete waste of time Rat says: Perhaps we should agree to disagree. OLI..P says: dident you get taught how to write Rat says: I learned. OLI..P says: by being taught Rat says: Same as you OLI..P says: u learn by being taught Rat says: in spite of being taught, I should think OLI..P says: you could not learn on your own OLI..P says: if you had nothing to teach you how would you learn OLI..P says: you would see letters and not regognise them as any sounds Rat says: what apps do you have on your computer? OLI..P says: i dont know Rat says: you have powerpoint? OLI..P says: yes Rat says: MSWord? OLI..P says: yep Rat says: Excel? OLI..P says: yep Rat says: Mediaplayer? OLI..P says: yes Rat says: Quicktime? OLI..P says: yes Rat says: what else do you have? OLI..P says: i cba to talk about this Rat says: you have messenger... OLI..P says: yes OLI..P says: whats your fucking point Rat says: How did you get to know all these things? OLI..P says: most came with my computer Rat says: But you've used them I assume OLI..P says: oh my uncle taught me how to get some stuff free Rat says: opened them up, had a look, messed around with them OLI..P says: yes Rat says: And the more you mess around with these things, THE MORE YOU LEARN about them - you don't need a teacher. Rat says: Teachers should facilitate knowledge OLI..P says: u need a teacher to teach you how to read OLI..P says: if u cant read u cant understand the program Rat says: They should help you learn - it would be so much more enjoyable and less time consuming for everyone OLI..P says: and u need to be tuaght how to read OLI..P says: you cant learn to read without being taught Rat says: You can be taught and still not learn though. OLI..P says: y OLI..P says: true Rat says: And the same goes for everything OLI..P says: but to be able to do that you have to be taught OLI..P says: the smae goes for everythign but that doesent mean teaching is a complete waste of time though OLI..P says: just because some people cant be taught OLI..P says: the majority have been taught how to read Rat says: You look at it that way, I look at it differently. I look at it as most people learn. OLI..P says: but u cant without being taught Rat says: Teachers get lucky OLI..P says: How the fuck can u learn without being taught Rat says: lol OLI..P says: explain me how its possible to learn how to write without being taught Rat says: ever played a computer game? OLI..P says: explain me how its possible to learn how to write without being taught Rat says: The same way you learn how to speak - by copying, by doing what you see others do, by testing little theories... by using our wonderfully scientific minds to hypothesise, theorise and experiment. OLI..P says: u see others writing on a peice of paper fair enough you copy but you dont know what it means Rat says: Ask any teacher you like - Do we learn by doing? OLI..P says: its not possible to learn how to write without outside infulence OLI..P says: well u can learn to write but you wont understand it Rat says: Learn to write arabic. OLI..P says: i dont want to thogh Rat says: Suppose I teach you OLI..P says: then id learn Rat says: suppose you didn't want to OLI..P says: then i wouldent, BUT SOMEONE MIGHT FUCKING WANT TO SO ITS NOT POINTLESS FOR THEM THERFORE TEACHING IS NOT COMPLETELY POINTLESS Rat says: I didn't say it was pointless either Rat says: I said it's a waste of time Rat says: a complete waste of time OLI..P says: not if u want to learn and it helps you OLI..P says: so you are telling me being taught how to write and read is a complete waste of time Rat says: In a nutshell, yes. OLI..P says: by the way these would make good argumentative threads for ur infoburger OLI..P says: if you couldent read or write you wouldent be talking to me on here or any of your other internet friends Rat says: That's true, but I could read and write before I started school. OLI..P says: so OLI..P says: you were still taught Rat says: I modelled myself on family members who were always reading and always writing. OLI..P says: exatcly they taught you Rat says: I asked and they answered. OLI..P says: u cannoy learn to read by yourself Rat says: They facilitated my learning. OLI..P says: they taught you Rat says: Again, this is where we should agree to disagree. OLI..P says: you are completely wrong its not possible to learn to read without outside infulense OLI..P says: them answering questions is teaching you Rat says: If teaching means the same to you as learning, then yes. But they don't mean the same to me, so I disagree with you. OLI..P says: to learn anything u have to be taught Rat says: If I sit and watch a policeman directing traffic and I do it long enough to be able to do it as good myself, is he teaching me, or is he just directing traffic? Rat says: Am I not learning without being taught? Rat says: I'm learning by copying what I see. * * Bozo (L)Toyah(L) has been added to the conversation. * OLI..P says: then there teaching you OLI..P says: teaching is good Rat says: No, I'm learning. OLI..P says: without it we wouldent be here Rat says: Hi Dom Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: hi OLI..P says: u learn by being taught Rat says: When you've had your first bit of pussy, you come back and tell me who taught you how to have sex. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: i learnt how to have sex Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: i read it on stuff OLI..P says: the websites teach you Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: it helps a fucking lot OLI..P says: lol Rat says: what to do with your willy? Rat says: oooh you put it in there... then what? OLI..P says: what the fuck do u think SEX education is OLI..P says: duh Rat says: a complete waste of time, of course Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: i would have a bilion babies i i didnt have sex education OLI..P says: wthout teaching human would be living in caves still Rat says: They show you how to roll a condom on - but the bastards don't tell you exactly WHEN Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: lol OLI..P says: u cant learn without being taught Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: nope Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: i learnt most stuff about computers from websites Rat says: Who taught you to climb trees? OLI..P says: yh websites teaching u then Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: micheal jackson OLI..P says: Doncha climb treez Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: dont u climb trees Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: lol OLI..P says: lol Rat says: I'll still climb a tree if it's impressive enough. I just like climbing really big trees. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: but who taught you to write OLI..P says: yh OLI..P says: and how u learn to read without being tuaght Rat says: Don't remember, I was too young. Rat says: Ah, now that I can tell you Rat says: My grandfather used to read to me. Most patient man who ever lived... OLI..P says: so he taught you Rat says: I would sit on his knee and he would read me the same book over and over again. OLI..P says: so he taught you then OLI..P says: therefore teacjing isent a complete waste of time Rat says: Oli, if I didn't want to learn, no amount of teaching would have given me the skill to read. OLI..P says: so Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: whats OLI..P says: some people want to learn OLI..P says: so teaching isent a complete waste of time OLI..P says: and stop using that stupid if i dident want to argument OLI..P says: becuase most people do wabnt to learn OLI..P says: my uncle taught me some visual basic Rat says: Well, next time you discover something that didn't come out of a book, off the internet or out of a teacher's mouth, you come and tell me about it because I really want to know. OLI..P says: therefore iteaching isent a complete waste of time Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: they are teaching sources OLI..P says: becausei wanted to learn and he taught me some stuff Rat says: they are learning sources OLI..P says: learning sources which teach you lol Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: teachers write them Rat says: He showed you stuff, he demonstrated stuff - but you learned it. OLI..P says: haha OLI..P says: yeah i learned though his teaching OLI..P says: HAHA OMG ARE U DENING THAT TEACHING EXISTS OR SUMI OLI..P says: SUMIN * Rat says: lol Rat says: Not. OLI..P says: U SO R Rat says: I coached cricket for years Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: taught OLI..P says: DID U ever teach anyone OLI..P says: anything Rat says: I showed kids completely new to the game how to bat and bowl Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: so you taught OLI..P says: so u taughts them Rat says: Some got it, some didn't. OLI..P says: so u taught some of them Rat says: I taught all of them OLI..P says: it all boils down to they got teached Rat says: But some of them didn't learn OLI..P says: so OLI..P says: some did Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: that has nothing to do with it OLI..P says: UR SO FUCKING DUMB OLI..P says: SOME DID LEARN THU TEACHING Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: with out teaching those who did wouls not be able to learn OLI..P says: JUST COS NOT EVERYONE DOENT LEARN BY TEACHJING DOESENT MAKE IT A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME OLI..P says: THATS ACTUALLY THE FIFTH TIME U HAVE USED THAT ARGUMENT Rat says: The difference here is you give credit to the teacher for their ability to teach. I give credit to the learner for learning. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: teaching to impart knowledge of or skill in Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: i wanted to learn business but the teacher was rubbish OLI..P says: OMG UR ASS GOT DEFINED Rat says: lol OLI..P says: MS MAXI OLI..P says: she was gd dominic Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: to acquire knowledge of or skill in by study, instruction, or experience OLI..P says: she taught me well loads Rat says: So what are you going to do about it, Dom? OLI..P says: like how to put a usb in a floppy drive Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: lol Rat says: she wanted to do sex education, Oli OLI..P says: she got fired Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: learning: to acquire knowledge of or skill in by study, instruction, or experience OLI..P says: haha Rat says: she blew up a zip drive in the staff room Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: there must be teachers for learning to happen OLI..P says: u got defined OLI..P says: ur argument is futile OLI..P says: lower your shields and surrender your ships resistance is futile OLI..P says: you will be teachilated Rat says: fine, you go on believing that and the next time you learn something off your own bat, you can be all surprised about it and ask someone to give you a score out of a hundred. OLI..P says: i learn by myself yeah OLI..P says: but i also get taught Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: if there were no teachers people woulds start with no knowledge and have to learn everything OLI..P says: therfore its not a complete waste of time Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: man would never learn the lessons of history OLI..P says: teaching can speed up your own learning Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: and be doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past OLI..P says: therefore it is not a waste of time Rat says: They never taught me how Allianz insurance got to be so big. OLI..P says: stop using silly arguments rat OLI..P says: u can learnb by urself sure OLI..P says: but u can also be taught Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: how has that proven your argument Rat says: Oli just said it... you can learn by urself OLI..P says: yh OLI..P says: doesent mean teachings a complete waste of time OLI..P says: tho does it OLI..P says: so stop fucking saying the same things over and over Rat says: I bet you're a wonderful shade of purple right now, Oli. OLI..P says: red Rat says: lol OLI..P says: what if someone never taught you how to walk OLI..P says: lol Rat says: Nobody taught me to ride a bike OLI..P says: what if i want to teach u my secret passwords Rat says: I just got on a bike and started doing it OLI..P says: u cant learn them by urself OLI..P says: that one argument topels yours Rat says: Erm... aren't you forgetting what I said about facilitating learning? OLI..P says: you are so arrogant even if it was completely proved u were wrong u still wouldent accept it OLI..P says: facilitating learning ? Rat says: oh yes OLI..P says: thats fucking teacher Rat says: scroll up OLI..P says: another word 4 taching OLI..P says: what about secret passwords i can teach u them , u can never learn by urself Rat says: facilitating learning is to teaching what a Ferrari is to Kia Rio. OLI..P says: i think your forgetting about everything being the same Rat says: but it's not. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THAT MAKES ABOUTSOLTUTLY 0% SENSE OLI..P says: yes it is Rat says: Read John Holt - and learn' OLI..P says: everything is exactly the same Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: WHAT IS FACILITATING KNOWLEDGE OLI..P says: TEACHING LOL OLI..P says: I CAN TEACH MYSELF STUFF OLI..P says: LEARNING = TEACHING URSELF Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: IT IS MAKING KNOWLEDGE AVAILIBLE Rat says: It's helping a learner... it's acknowledging that the learner is in charge of learning and being able to facilitate that learning OLI..P says: THEREFORE IF U SAY TEACJING IS A COMPLET WASTE U ARE ALSO SAYING LEARNING IS A COMPLETE WASTE] Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: MAKING KNOWLEDGE AVAILIBLE IS IMPARTING KNOWLEDGE Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: IMPARTING KNOWLEDGE IS TEACHING Rat says: I'm trying to teach you guys something, but it's clear I'm wasting my time. OLI..P says: LEARNING = TEACHING YOURSELF OLI..P says: U ARE ARROGANT Rat says: I am experienced. OLI..P says: no Rat says: How many times have I said we'll just have to agree to disagree? OLI..P says: u have a big ego Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: WHAT IS THE POINT OLI..P says: i know Rat says: Why do you think I suggested we agree to disagree? OLI..P says: he just keeps going on and on OLI..P says: its moar fun 2 argue] Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: AGREEING TO DISAGREE IS A COP OUT OLI..P says: yeah Rat says: Because I know a few things that I can't teach you, things you have to find out for yourself. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: OBLY WHEN ONE CANNOT PROVE THERE ARGUMENT OLI..P says: thats a pussies way out OLI..P says: fight ur corner OLI..P says: oh no its raining lets run inside Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT RAT OLI..P says: he said teaching is a complete waste of time Rat says: My argument is that in a teacher/student exchange, it's the student who holds the keys to their own learning, not the teacher. OLI..P says: learning is teaching yourself so if he thinks that is a waste of time then both are OLI..P says: u said teaching was a complete waste of time OLI..P says: that can be any form of teaching Rat says: And I'll stand by that. OLI..P says: including teaching yourself Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT IS EITHER WAS NOT AVIALIBLE LEARNING COULD NOT OCCUR OLI..P says: i know he is dumb Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: NO BOTH ARE AS IMPORTANT AS THE OTHER Rat says: Ask your parents about how fast you guys learned stuff before you could even walk and talk. OLI..P says: yh Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: WHAT Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT Rat says: ask your oldies OLI..P says: but u need to be taught b able tyo learn some stuff OLI..P says: YOUR COMMENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ARGUMENT Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOU ARE AYING THAT THE PUPIL IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE TEACHER Rat says: Yes DOm Rat says: I am OLI..P says: ITS BECAUSE YOU TOUCH YOURSELF AT NIGHT Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT THERE ARE MANY PUPILS AND FEW TEACHERS OLI..P says: I KNOW HE CANT DO BASIC MATH Rat says: erm... aren't 30 kids more important than one teacher? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: TO WHAT Rat says: Rat says: yh kids are well important i love lil kids Rat says: oh ho ho Rat says: im a peadophile Rat says: you forgot to change font colour Rat says: pwned Rat says: i would try and have sex with kids but im too stuborn to learn how Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: FOR LEARNING TO OCCUR THERE MUST BE A TEACHER AND PUPIL. BUT ANYBODY CAN BE A PUPIL. ALSO LOL Rat says: You aren't quite correct there, Dom. Oli says: i dont care if i dont change font colour u would both know it was me anyway Rat says: You can learn without a teacher being present. Oli says: no Oli says: u cant Rat says: yes you can Oli says: u have to be taught how to learn Rat says: ask your parents Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT NOTHING OF MUCH USE Oli says: u cant learn without being tuaght how Rat says: who told you that? Oli says: u are really stubborn your comments have nothing to do with your argument Rat says: Who told you that you can't learn without being taught how? Oli says: my learning facilitater taught me that Rat says: name? Oli says: mr.smith Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: WITHOUT A TEACHER YOU WOULD BE LIMITED TO WHAT YOUR BRAIN CAN DO. WITH TEACHERS YOU CAN LEARN ANYTHING Rat says: School? Imma write mr smith and tell him he's a conceited ignorant pranny. Oli says: and learning is the same as teaching yourself Oli says: so are you tho Rat says: Like Business, Dom? Oli says: i like business Oli says: i just love sir alan sugar Oli says: he has big muscles he is so sexy Oli says: and powerful Rat says: I'm beginning to worry about you, Oli. Oli says: he has lots of money Rat says: gold digger Oli says: he owns amstrad Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUSINESS. WHAT Oli says: i want to be his rent boy Rat says: you said Ms whatserface couldn't teach business. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOUR PINT BEING Rat says: Oli, don't even joke Rat says: Did you end up learning anything about business? Oli says: i want to suck you Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YEH OLI MY BROTHER DIED THAT WAY Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: NO Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THEREFORE SHE WAS NOT A TEACHER OF BUSINESS Rat says: she was wasting her time, no? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: SHE GOT PAID Rat says: and more importantly, wasting yours Oli says: not completely Oli says: i like the new business teacher better Oli says: he is so dominant Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH PUPIL BEING MORE IMPORTANT Rat says: The thing is, why can your parents teach you more in your first 4 years of life than you will learn for the rest of your life? Oli says: they cant tho Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: HOW CAN YOU MEASURE KNOWLEDGE Oli says: u can learn a whole new language and system Oli says: with a big stick Rat says: in the first 3 years of your life. Rat says: and from scratch. Oli says: mmm big stick Oli says: lol Rat says: and at the same time, learn interpersonal and relationship dynamics, you learn hand eye coordination - all that in the first 3 to 5 years... Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: HOW CAN YOU MEASURE KNOWLEDGE Oli says: WITH A BIG STICK Rat says: Ask your teachers that. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: what Rat says: I find the whole notion of testing absurd. Oli says: STEVEN HAWKINGS SAID HE LEARNT MUCH MORE WHEN HE LEFT HOME Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: that is not an answer Rat says: I don't know how you measure knowledge. Oli says: I (L) STEVEN HAWKINGS Rat says: I wouldn't even try to measure it. Rat says: I think the whole concept of measuring knowledge is absurd Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: then you cannot say you learn more when you are 0-3 Oli says: DO U LIKE HANAH MONTANA Rat says: Do you like Michael Jackson? Oli says: DID YOU KNOW THAT 77 % OF WHAT U LEARN IS AFTER U LEAVE SCHOOL Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: then you cannot say you learn more when you are 0-3. as you said the concept is absurd Oli says: 77% Rat says: bad wording Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: DID YOU KNOW 70% OF ALL STATISTICS ARE WRONG Oli says: DID U KNOW THAT 99% OF ALL FIGHTS END UP ON THE FLOOR THUS TEACHING IS GOOD Rat says: did you know 100% of people who argue on the internet will end up dead? Oli says: thats incorrect Oli says: you reincarnate Rat says: lol Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: 100% of people will end up dead anyway Oli says: 99% Rat says: orly? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: yh rl Oli says: u are forgetting super heros Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: superheros are not real Rat says: and buddhists, apparently Rat says: they're real Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: then you cannot say you learn more when you are 0-3. Oli says: and who taught u that Oli says: who taught u buddhist are real Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: therefore your argument is void Rat says: Nobody, I learned it for myself Oli says: you taught yourself Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: have you ever met one Rat says: met what? A buddhist? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: yes Rat says: yeah a few. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: and they told you about budhists Rat says: No, I read stuff about their beliefs and watched documentaries Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: so you were taught Oli says: u said u were trying to show us something from this convo ?? Oli says: u were traught by books Oli says: and documentaries Oli says: i bet he goes into schools and shoots all the teachers Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: u were taught by the person who wrote the books and made the documentaries Rat says: oh dear.... let's just get over this shall we? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: you said you were not taught Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: do you need the deffinition again Oli says: u want to get over it when u realise u are wrong Rat says: no, I'm deaf, blind and stupid. Rat says: Teach me something - if you don't think it would be a waste of time. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: LIGHT IS MADE OF WAVES OF PARTICALS Rat says: A theory needs a bajillion proofs in order to be right, it only needs one to proved wrong. Oli says: hey how can look at my CD drive Rat ? Oli says: hey how can i look at my C drive rat ? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOUR POINT BEING Oli says: how can i look at my c drive Rat says: That it isn't the skills of a teacher that dictate whether learning happens. Rat says: It's the ability and capacity of the learner. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: NO Oli says: how can i look at my c drive Rat says: You can't Oli. Oli says: why Rat says: It was renamed Rat says: You don't have a c drive. Oli says: how can u rename it Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: I LEARNT ABOUT THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY BUT I COULD NOT INVENT IT Rat says: you also can't prove it Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THEREFORE IT IS THE TEACHER THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT Oli says: what is the theory of relativity Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: AS HE INVENTED IT Oli says: who invented the theoory of relativity Oli says: who invented it Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: Albert Einstein's special relativity and general relativity. Rat says: Ok, here it is before I crash out - if you don't want to learn something, not even Einstein could teach you. Oli says: thank you for TEACHING ME Oli says: thanks for TEACHING ME about who invented it Oli says: so Rat says: Prove me wrong, either of you. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT IF YOU WANT TO LEARN SOMTHING AND NOBODY WANTS TO TEACH YOU, YOU CANNOT LEARN Oli says: if u do want to learn he could Rat says: incorrecto Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THEREFORE THE TEACHER IS EQUAL Oli says: thefore its not a waste of time Rat says: Nope Oli says: thats the 6th time u have used that argument Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: HOW IS IT INCORRECT Rat says: You can learn stuff without being taught - end of story. Oli says: so Oli says: u can learn by being taught Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: HOW COULD I LEARN ABOUT E=MC2 WITHOUT A TEACHER Rat says: True Oli says: we dident denie what u said Oli says: well shut up then , it obvioulsly isent a waste of time Oli says: u can learn by being taught Oli says: therefore it isent a waste of time Oli says: stop trying to change the argument Oli says: it started by u saying teaching is a complete waste of time Rat says: If teachers could get you through k-12 in 5 years instead of 12 or 13, do you think they should? Oli says: stop changing the subject Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: HOW COULD I LEARN ABOUT E=MC2 WITHOUT A TEACHER Oli says: teaching can be helpful Oli says: how can you not see that Rat says: I can see that it can be helpful Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: HOW COULD I LEARN ABOUT E=MC2 WITHOUT A TEACHER Oli says: then its not a complete waste of time Oli says: is it Rat says: From reading a book, Dom Oli says: if it can be helpful its not a complete waste of time Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE BOOK IS TEACHING Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: DO YOU NEED THE DEFFINITION AGAIN Oli says: are you fucking braindead Oli says: definition his ass Rat says: Are the people who contribute to 4chan teaching? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YES Rat says: am I teaching? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: IF THEY IMPART KNOWLEDGE Rat says: ah if... Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: IF YOU IMPART KNOWLEDGE Oli says: whats that philosphy and absurdity website again Rat says: But I am imparting knowledge. Oli says: i want to see what they think Oli says: imparting knowledge = teaching Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: NO Rat says: But neither of you are learning Oli says: whats that philo and absurdity website Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOU ARE NOT IMPARTING KNOWLEDGE Oli says: i want to see what they think Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THEREFORE NO LEARNING CAN TAKE PLACE Rat says: So if I suggest to both of you that you read John Holt's book "How Children Learn" - then you might see what I was trying to say. Oli says: whats that philo website Oli says: he teached u this Rat says: www.philosophyandabsurdity.com Oli says: ty Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: IF CHILDREN LEARN FROM WATCHING OTHERS. THEN THAT PERSON IS IMPARTING KNOWLEDGE Rat says: but it's 5.12am here and my eyes are beginning to disobey the instructions from my brain to stay open. Oli says: and therefore teaching] Oli says: yes thats right u run Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: SO I HAVE PROVEN YOU NEED TEACHING TO LEARN Oli says: run from the truth Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: AS THE KNOWLEDGE NEEDS TO BE IMPARTED FROM ANOTHER Oli says: u cant accept it Oli says: a bigger man would admiut when he is wrong Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOU CAN LEARN BY YOURSELF BUT NOT VERY IMPORTANT THINGS Rat says: Well, you can define it like that if you wish. I prefer to assign greater credit to you as the learners to learn rather than anyone else with the ability to teach. Oli says: thats faggotry Rat says: as you wish Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: WHERE IS THE CREDIT FRO THE THEORY OF THE BIG BANG Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: WITH STEPHEN HAWKING OR ME BECAUSE I LEARNT IT Oli says: its in the middle of the universe Rat says: I just think you are more important as learners than anyone employed in formal education does Oli says: i love arguing with u Oli says: iu really do Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT THERE ARE MANY MORE PUPIL THEN TEACHERS Oli says: i think u have a big ego Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT TEACHERS ARE NEEDED TO LEARN Oli says: yh Rat says: Dom... it's than - not then. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: SO Oli says: leave kids without teachers what will happen Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: ITS A TYPO Rat says: it isn't. Oli says: RIOT Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: DO NOT DISTRACT OR CHANGE THE SUBJECT Oli says: CAPS IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL Rat says: They taught you that ages ago Dom. Rat says: And you didn't learn it. Rat says: Why not? Oli says: WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AT SCHOOLS IF DER WAS NO TEACHERZ Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THE POINT IF TEACHERS ARE MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE ARE LESS OF THEM Rat says: Then and than... so many people mix it up. Oli says: YES BLUDZ Rat says: It shits me no end Oli says: ITEEEE Oli says: THEY MIX IT UP COS ITS THE SAME Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: CHANGING THE SUBJECT Oli says: WERE IN ENGLAND WE INVENTED ENGLISH Oli says: U HAVE A SHIT VERSION OF IT Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: LOL Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOURS HAS BUGS Rat says: Learning is teh secks. Teaching is teh mastrubation. Oli says: LOL Oli says: AUSTRALIA WAS FOUNDED BY CONVICTS Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: MASTURBATION IS NOT THE SAME AS SEX Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: PLEASE STATE IT IN A LOGICAL FASHION Rat says: teaching is not the same as learning. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BEING TAUGHT IS THE SAME AS LEARNING Oli says: exactky threw and threw Rat says: and learning is where the fun part is... teaching, pfffft. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: IF THE PUPIL DOES NOTLISTERN THEN THE TEACHER CAN FIND ANOTHER Oli says: the best part] Oli says: its so fun Oli says: being taught is easier then learning yourself Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT THE PUPIL COULD NOT Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: IF THE KNOWLEDGE IS PERSONAL Oli says: ownage Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THE REASON YOU MUST BE RESPECTFUL TO TEACHERS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPARTING KNOWLEDGE. YOU GIVE THEM NOTHING Rat says: Do think school is interesting and fun and you would rather be there than anywhere else? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YES Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: I LOVE SCHOOL Oli says: id rather be taught then having to learn thats just effort Rat says: Then I can understand the value you place in teachers. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: AND SCHOOL IS ONLY ONE WAY OF TEACHING Rat says: Your teachers are facilitating your learning Oli says: or in other words TEACHING US Oli says: why are they called teachers then Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: FACILITATING LEARNING IS IMPARTING KNLOWLEDGE Oli says: and not learning facilitaots Rat says: And do you love school Oli? Is there no place else you would rather be? Rat says: You can drop the caps if you like, Dom. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: MY MOTHER IS A LEARNING FACILITATOR NOT A TEACHER Oli says: yh id rather be asleep Rat says: Bonus points to your mum Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: NO ITS EASIER TO SEE THIS WRITING IN CAPS Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: BUT SHE IS NOT A TEACHER Oli says: CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL 4 COOL Rat says: DOM!!! Rat says: YOU'RE SEEING MY POINT Rat says: Oli, you're dumped. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOU MADE AN INCORRECT POINT Oli says: YOUR MOTHERS ALOT OF THINSG DOM lol Oli says: he has made a hundred in corrcet points Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE OLI Rat says: He's dumped Oli says: the whole of his argument is u cant learn if u dont want to therefore all teaching is a waste of time Rat says: Remember that and I might love you again tomorrow Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: dump (dŭmp) Pronunciation Key v. dumped, dump·ing, dumps v. tr. 1. To release or throw down in a large mass. 2. 1. To empty (material) out of a container or vehicle: dumped the load of stones. 2. To empty out (a container or vehicle), as by overturning or tilting. 3. To get rid of; discard: a fine for dumping trash on public land; dumped the extra gear overboard. 4. Informal To discard or reject unceremoniously: dump an old friend. 3. 1. To get rid of; discard: a fine for dumping trash on public land; dumped the extra gear overboard. 2. Informal To discard or reject unceremoniously: dump an old friend. 4. To place (goods or stock, for example) on the market in large quantities and at a low price. 5. Computer Science To transfer (data stored internally in a computer) from one place to another, as from a memory to a printout, without processing. 6. Slang To knock down; beat. v. intr. 1. To fall or drop abruptly. 2. To discharge cargo or contents; unload. 3. Slang To criticize another severely: was always dumping on me. n. 1. A place where refuse is dumped: a garbage dump; a nuclear waste dump. 2. A storage place for goods or supplies; a depot: an ammunition dump. 3. An unordered accumulation; a pile. 4. Computer Science An instance or the result of dumping stored data. 5. Slang A poorly maintained or disreputable place. 6. Vulgar Slang An act of defecating. Often used with take. Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: WHICH IS YOUR USE OF DUMPED Oli says: lol he wants to play the word game Oli says: make him explain everything Rat says: ah bollocks. Oli says: lol Rat says: It's 5.30 in the morning and I'm beginning to lose consciousness here Oli says: becuase you are incorrect Rat says: no, because I'm fkn tired Rat says: But I still love you, Oli Oli says: what a great excuse Rat says: Dom, do you love Oli? Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: SO STATE HOW LEARING BY YOURSELF A FEW UNIMPORTATN THINGS MEANS TAT TEACHING IMPORTANT THINGS MUST BE A WASTE OF TIME Oli says: i love dominic Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: NO Oli says: he is super sexy Rat says: You love him anyway, you've told me so. Rat says: He really does love you, Dom Oli says: im tired anyway we been in the gym 4 ages Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: NOHE DOESNT Oli says: i do i want your babies Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: HE IS BEING STUPID Oli says: lol Rat says: Not in a faggy-want-get-hot-and-sweaty sort of way Oli says: yh i do Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: LOL Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: SHUT UP Rat says: Nah he doesn't, he just frets when you're out of sorts. Rat says: cONTINUED BELOW LOL EPIC INSTANT MESSAGING CONVO |
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| Evil_Henry | May 14 2007, 08:35 AM Post #2 |
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Genuinely very entertaining! Thanks!
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| Evil_Henry | May 14 2007, 09:52 AM Post #3 |
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ROFL - Just finished reading the whole thing. The whole end bit is really fucking funny. --- Oli says: whats that philosphy and absurdity website again Rat says: But I am imparting knowledge. Oli says: i want to see what they think Oli says: imparting knowledge = teaching Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: NO Rat says: But neither of you are learning Oli says: whats that philo and absurdity website Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: YOU ARE NOT IMPARTING KNOWLEDGE Oli says: i want to see what they think Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: THEREFORE NO LEARNING CAN TAKE PLACE Rat says: So if I suggest to both of you that you read John Holt's book "How Children Learn" - then you might see what I was trying to say. Oli says: whats that philo website Oli says: he teached u this Rat says: www.philosophyandabsurdity.com Oli says: ty Bozo (L)Toyah(L) says: IF CHILDREN LEARN FROM WATCHING OTHERS. THEN THAT PERSON IS IMPARTING KNOWLEDGE Rat says: but it's 5.12am here and my eyes are beginning to disobey the instructions from my brain to stay open. Oli says: and therefore teaching] Oli says: yes thats right u run ----- Basically, Chat Rat is talking about how teaching isn't important (even unnecessary) - and then asks you to go and read a book - a book specifically written to educate called "How Children Learn". That's definitely teaching, no matter how he tries to dress it up. Case closed. |
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| Xx_SwordWords_xX | May 14 2007, 11:38 AM Post #4 |
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I got bored... so I skimmed for creepy parts.
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| Evil_Henry | May 14 2007, 11:44 AM Post #5 |
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Yeah, it's very long - but there's some really interesting stuff in there. It's kind of how I imagined the conversations to be - only Oli and Dom are funnier... and Paul spends much of his time trying to make everyone happy. He still calls them "kids" too, which is a bit insulting. At one point he says he doesn't mind who you kill as long as they aren't kids. He does realise Oli and Dom are going to be adults one day, doesn't he? Do they lose their appeal then? Fucking weird if you ask me... but anyway. A quick summary of the argument is Paul attempted to prove that teaching is separate from assisted learning - and that teaching itself is counter-productive. He attempted to prove this while actually using teaching techniques. Essentially Paul was "owned". I'm sure he was just... tired. <_< |
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| ConfusedMonkey | May 14 2007, 03:35 PM Post #6 |
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.... If security and protecting members is the highest priority, surely you'd welcome "the filth" checking it out? It's not like you have anything to hide from them, right?
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| Xx_SwordWords_xX | May 14 2007, 03:45 PM Post #7 |
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Narcissists usually warn you about their own behaviours by pointing it out in others (not limited to projection).
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| Solaris | May 14 2007, 03:53 PM Post #8 |
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YOU FUCK UPS I TOLD YOU THERE WAS MORE WOULD YOU DICKHEADS STOP TRYING TO FIND MY MYSPACE AND MY WEBSITES HERE IS THE REST SOME IS CENSORED JUST ANSWER DO U AGREE WITH ME OR CHATRAT HE SAYS TEACHING IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME, WE DISAGREE WHO IS RIGHT HIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS IF SOMEONE DOESENT WANT TO LEARN NO AMOUNT OF TEACHING WILL MAKE THEM THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT OF THE ARGUMENT AND IF U LOOK IN THE CONVO HE REPEATS THIS ABOUT 5 TIMES. Rat says: Didn't get that from Anton, did you Olster Oli says: dont diss dom Oli says: he will get a gun and bust a cap in yo ass Rat says: That misanthropic bastard wouldn't bat an eye if he found out your alzheimers had turned into cancer and eaten half your head off. Oli says: i will slice u up with my force fx litesaber Rat says: But I still love him too. Bozo Toyah says: WHAT Rat says: And I tell him often because it annoys him. Oli says: chaos theory suggests otherwise Bozo Toyah says: YES IT DOES Rat says: what does chaos theory suggest? Rat says: this better be good. Bozo Toyah says: IT SUGGEST YOU SHOULD SHUT UP Oli says: hahaha Oli says: that was gd] Rat says: Are we ever going to see your font again, Dom? Bozo Toyah writes: Bozo Toyah says: WAT Rat says: Srsly, Oli worries about you Oli says: okh KL WOW Bozo Toyah says: front /frʌnt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fruhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. the foremost part or surface of anything. 2. the part or side of anything that faces forward: the front of a jacket. 3. the part or side of anything, as a building, that seems to look out or to be directed forward: He sat in the front of the restaurant. 4. any side or face, as of a building. 5. a façade, considered with respect to its architectural treatment or material: a cast-iron front. 6. a property line along a street or the like: a fifty-foot front. 7. a place or position directly before anything: We decided to plant trees in the front. 8. a position of leadership in a particular endeavor or field: She rose to the front of her profession. 9. Military. a. the foremost line or part of an army. b. a line of battle. c. the place where combat operations are carried on. 10. an area of activity, conflict, or competition: news from the business front. 11. land facing a road, river, etc. 12. British. a promenade along a seashore. 13. Informal. a distinguished person listed as an official of an organization, for the sake of prestige, and who is usually inactive. 14. a person or thing that serves as a cover or disguise for some other activity, esp. one of a secret, disreputable, or illegal nature; a blind: The store was a front for foreign agents. 15. outward impression of rank, position, or wealth. 16. bearing or demeanor in confronting anything: a calm front. 17. haughtiness; self-importance: That clerk has the most outrageous front. 18. the forehead, or the entire face: the statue's gracefully chiseled front. 19. a coalition or movement to achieve a particular end, usually political: the people's front. 20. something attached or worn at the breast, as a shirt front or a dickey: to spill gravy down one's front. 21. Meteorology. an interface or zone of transition between two dissimilar air masses. 22. Theater. a. the auditorium. b. the business offices of a theater. c. the front of the stage; downstage. –adjective 23. of or pertaining to the front. 24. situated in or at the front: front seats. 25. Phonetics. (of a speech sound) articulated with the tongue blade relatively far forward in the mouth, as the sounds of lay. –verb (used with object) 26. to have the front toward; face: Our house fronts the lake. 27. to meet face to face; confront. 28. to face in opposition, hostility, or defiance. 29. to furnish or supply a front to: to front a building with sandstone. 30. to serve as a front to: A long, sloping lawn fronted their house. 31. Informal. to provide an introduction to; introduce: a recorded message that is fronted with a singing commercial. 32. to lead (a jazz or dance band). 33. Phonetics. to articulate (a speech sound) at a position farther front in the mouth. 34. Linguistics. to move (a constituent) to the beginning of a clause or sentence. –verb (used without object) 35. to have or turn the front in some specified direction: Our house fronts on the lake. 36. to serve as a cover or disguise for another activity, esp. something of a disreputable or illegal nature: The shop fronts for a narcotics ring. –interjection 37. (used to call or command someone to come, look, etc., to the front, as in an order to troops on parade or in calling a hotel bellboy to the front desk): Front and center, on the double! —Idioms 38. in front, in a forward place or position: Sit down, you in front! 39. in front of, a. ahead of: to walk in front of a moving crowd. b. outside the entrance of: to wait in front of a house. c. in the presence of: to behave badly in front of company. 40. out front, a. outside the entrance: He's waiting out front. b. ahead of competitors: This advertising campaign ought to put our business way out front. c. Theater. in the audience or auditorium. d. Informal. candidly; frankly: Say what you mean out front. 41. up front, Informal. a. in advance; before anything else: You'll have to make a payment of $5,000 up front. b. frank; open; direct: I want you to be up front with me. Oli says: IMY MUM MADE CHOCOLATE CAKE Bozo Toyah says: WHICH IS YR USE Oli says: OMG AND MINSE PIES Oli says: AND I HAVE ONE OF THOSE RUSTLER BURGERS TO EAT Bozo Toyah says: THEY ARE FULL OF FAT Oli says: THEY ARE TASTY THO INIT Rat says: lol Bozo Toyah says: I DONT KNOW Oli says: I ANT HAVIN NO CHIPS OR ANYTHING Bozo Toyah says: LOL Oli says: JUST BURGER AND CHOCOLATE CAKE Rat says: wat?!?! Oli says: IM JESSICA CCCAAAAAKKKKEEE Oli says: YOU WHAT Oli says: AHHHH Bozo Toyah says: C-C-C-CAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE Oli says: YOU WHAT Oli says: AHH NOOOOOO DONT EAT MY HEAD Oli says: AGHHHHH Rat says: Fitness... think of your dojo Oli says: i will work it off Oli says: at the summer Oli says: and its not a fucking dojo Rat says: pfft... don't put it on in the first place Oli says: its a fucking dojamg Oli says: i went gym today Oli says: i need some protien Bozo Toyah says: EGGS ARE PROTIEN Oli says: its not fucking japanese its korean Bozo Toyah says: I HAD SALAD AND EGGS Oli says: i dont have to salad Oli says: ill eat a pineapple Oli says: and a few oranged Oli says: and maybe some water melon and chicken Oli says: this convo is epic in proportion lol Rat says: Yeah but I'm having major difficulties coping now. Oli says: fuck me i cant wait to eat that burger Oli says: god i hear i callin my name from the fridge Oli says: "nuke me" "nuke me" Oli says: lol we will have to continue this when marcs online to see what he thinks Bozo Toyah says: LOL Oli says: GOATSE haha Rat says: stuff goatse Oli says: did u watch the news Bozo Toyah says: IM GONNA GO PLAY BUS DRIVER. Bozo Toyah says: ITS COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Oli says: did u hear about that poor little girl what got kidnapped Bozo Toyah says: LOL Oli says: lol it was chatrat Rat says: he laughs.. lol Bozo Toyah says: LOL Rat says: meh? I wouldn't go to portugal for a 4 year old Bozo Toyah says: BUS DRIVER IS SO COOL Oli says: u get them from the outback Bozo Toyah has left the conversation. Rat says: yeah, they're called sheep. Rat says: the strays are easy pickings Oli says: u shag sheep ? Rat says: don't all Australians? Oli says: i thought that was just the welsh Rat says: you sent all the welsh here 200 years ago Rat says: those aren't welsh, they're cornish Oli says: only the convicts Oli says: and the people we dident want Rat says: yeah, that's what I said, the welsh Oli says: and i dident send them there Rat says: Charles - Prince of New South Wales. Oli says: so Oli says: im not english Oli says: well i wasent until last year Rat says: what happened? Oli says: got an english passport Oli says: duh Rat says: Must have been early last year, I've known you more than 12 months now Rat says: I can get an English passport, that doesn't make me English. Oli says: oh really Oli says: yh it does Rat says: sod that. Oli says: i was only on an irish passport before Oli says: it means your a citizen of that place Rat says: How long you been in England now then? Oli says: i still lived here when i was on an irish passport Oli says: ive been here like forever Rat says: I've never been there, but my dad was born in Aberdeen Oli says: ireland is great Rat says: So I can get an English passport because of that. Oli says: yh my older bro is trying to Oli says: get an irish passport Rat says: I don't even want an Australian one. Oli says: pillack lost all his paper work and doesent have an identity Rat says: I have no desire or intention of travelling Rat says: LOL Oli says: thats sad Rat says: man without a name. Oli says: ive only been arounf europe tho Rat says: If I'm out of Melbourne for any length of time, I start looking for ways to get back here as fast as possible. Rat says: I hate being away from Melbourne. Rat says: It's also very much time I got some shut eye. Rat says: I'm going to be a total wreck tomorrow. Oli says: why Rat says: But I've enjoyed this convo. Oli says: yh gd arging Rat says: I have much to do and I'm not going to get much sleep Oli says: see what those ppl on that site thinks Oli says: u shud of Rat says: about us arguing? Oli says: thought about that before u started an argument Rat says: meh. It was worth it. Oli says: no what the reckon about the taching and learbing Oli says: not us arguing Rat says: If you go to that site, they're only going to tell you there's something creepy about the fact I talk to you at all. Oli says: they can fuck off if they want to wind us up with that because i enjoy it Oli says: i dont care Oli says: there fuckheads Oli says: i know where they lives Rat says: Will talked to me about it not that long ago Oli says: and there phone numbres Rat says: He saw the comments about me grooming all of you... Oli says: this convo will get them all riled up Oli says: and feuding with them was fun Oli says: u are grooming people tho Rat says: for what? Oli says: ??? i honestly dont care if ur a peadophile Rat says: Been what, 13 months, 14 months? Oli says: its not what u think its what u stop urself doing thats what counts Rat says: lol Rat says: how charming Rat says: your faith is outstanding and inspirational Oli says: and ive seen u on webcam and ur like skinny Oli says: so i doubt u could rape anyone Rat says: There's only one pic of me - the same one everyone's seen Rat says: And trust me, if you started talking about sex, we'd have amazingly short conversations. Oli says: i dont care Oli says: u act really wierd about sex anyway Oli says: u have some diesease dont u Oli says: yum my burgers nuking Rat says: umm.. no... it's just I'd rather talk about other things. Rat says: And what you get up to is your business and I don't want to know Oli says: is it because im gay ?? Rat says: No, it's because I'd rather talk about other things. Rat says: Like learning and teaching. Rat says: Like building this websitre Oli says: are u a homophobe Rat says: like the fact you're all well and happy. Oli says: do u like the hoff Oli says: i put his pic on your myspace Rat says: No I'm not a homophobe either - if you were a 35 year old woman, I still wouldn't talk about sex with you. Rat says: heh.. you tried, no html on my myspace comments. Oli says: there used to be Oli says: i put that farting video on there Rat says: yeah til some silly cow flooded it with bling Oli says: lol Oli says: it was evil henry Oli says: he is a myspace stalker Oli says: he keeps asking me to have sex with him Rat says: nah it was some silly hawaiin woman. Oli says: its really annoying Oli says: lol Rat says: He has a youtube account too. Oli says: im not really gay Rat says: Oli, I don't care. Rat says: You could be a mad rabid gerbiller. Rat says: I still wouldn't care. Oli says: i find it funnt pretending to be gay Oli says: i told dominic and matt i was gay and they belived me lol, that was like two years ago Rat says: And how did they react? Oli says: - CENSORED - COS I ANT REALLY GAY Rat says: oh god. Oli says: i cant stress this enough that im not actually gay though IM NOT ACTUALLY A GAY Oli says: none of us are homophobic Rat says: Oli, I can't stress this enough that I don't give a shit either way. Oli says: theres this boy in are year Oli says: and he is like super gay Oli says: but everyones friends with him Oli says: so gay people can be alrite Oli says: some are really funny Rat says: Kenny Everett was the funniest man on the planet before he got aids Oli says: marc is a paedophile Rat says: no he's not. Rat says: he has a g/f Oli says: had Rat says: and she's older than 12 Rat says: oh.. best not mention that next time I talk to him then Oli says: he slept with her before she had her period Oli says: yeah dont say i said anything Rat says: I don't talk to him very often anyway. Oli says: i should really censor some of this if im guna post it on that site Oli says: i know hes dumb Rat says: on philosophyandabsurdity? Oli says: he made me argue about who would win out of the darleks and the borg with him Rat says: lmao Oli says: i was like Rat says: daleks wouldn't stand a chance Oli says: we have had this argument like a hundred times already Oli says: thats what i said Oli says: darleks suck Oli says: next time we argue about it ill invite you Oli says: he keeps going on about a darlek temporal time shift Rat says: The bork would adapt to the dalek's weapons, the daleks would have no offensive counter to the borg Oli says: or some gibberish Oli says: exactly Oli says: he marc is such a nerd Rat says: The borg learned to do that too - if he remembers in Genesis. Oli says: ive seen every movie except that one Rat says: see it. Oli says: i have all on dvd Oli says: and video Oli says: do u think the liars team will be able to read thu all of this Rat says: I had a plan for the liars team.... Rat says: ------ censored ------ yep Oli says: shall i censor this bit Oli says: cos its a gd plan Rat says: I think that would be wise, don't you? Oli says: yeah Oli says: what a great plan Rat says: They'll get bored out of their minds with most of this conversation anyway. Oli says: i had a similar idea Oli says: yh Oli says: make them read it all Oli says: i ate my burger now Oli says: lol bap head Rat says: They'll just see that I'm talking to a teenager again and being creepy and displaying personality deficiencies. Oli says: haha but i hope they read all of this Oli says: its soooo long now Oli says: almost as long as my penis Oli says: lol Oli says: ah i should probably censor out censored name Oli says: dont want her invloved Rat says: As far as I care, this convo beats the shit out of "What did you have for lunch" "whos flashing their tits in the chatroom" or "Some Hopi Indian family fed their kid to a rattlesnake" Oli says: but thats too much work Oli says: censored isent traceable easily anyway Oli says: they would have to Oli says: CENSORED Rat says: just find all and replace with nothing - word editing - do it all in one go Rat says: find censored, replace with - and leave it blank - click replace all. Rat says: and it's done Oli says: THIS CONVOS GOT BORRING NOW bozos gone Oli says: no shes not traceable its ok Rat says: rightio, well, you go and vandalise the liars team, I really have to get to bed. Oli says: bye bye Oli says: gd night Rat says: try and get a couple hours anyway... Oli says: love u lol Rat says: heh... the son I never had... ain't it sweet. ----- CENSORED TO CREEPY HE ASKED DOMINIC TO GIVE HIM A BLOW JOB ----- cya Oli Oli says: this will get liars team angry Rat says: prolly Oli says: there a bunch of self obsessed faggots anyway Rat says: you got that right. Oli says: i think we will end it there Rat says: we can do more tomorrow. Oli says: fuck this is long to copy and paste Rat says: ctrl+A Rat says: then copy and paste Oli says: HAHA THANKYPOU 4 TEACHING ME Oli says: HAHA Rat sa lol Rat says: thank you for learning. Rat says: Must go. Rat says: catch ya next time SO IN SUMMARY I AM RIGHT AND I AM GOD OF EVERYTHING AND HE TRIES TO CHANGE HIS WHOLE ARGUMENT ONCE HE REALISES HE MESSED UP. WAIT THERES MOAR HAHAHAHA ARGHSHHSHSSHSHSHS |
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| Evil_Henry | May 14 2007, 06:18 PM Post #9 |
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The bits that are interesting really make up for it. Eye opening.
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| Mock | May 14 2007, 06:29 PM Post #10 |
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| Evil_Henry | May 14 2007, 06:34 PM Post #11 |
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There are people who'll want to scan read it. It's staying up. |
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| Mock | May 14 2007, 07:59 PM Post #12 |
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Redundance. |
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| Solaris | May 14 2007, 09:43 PM Post #13 |
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You got Told cos my topics OWN |
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| Pestiferous | May 15 2007, 01:44 AM Post #14 |
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| Xx_SwordWords_xX | May 15 2007, 01:49 AM Post #15 |
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Isn't anyone perplexed as to why "paul" is okay with these convos being posted here? If they think so lowly of this group and it's members, why would our opinions matter to these "kids" as the deciding factor in some silly discussion? |
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| CheapShades | May 15 2007, 02:33 AM Post #16 |
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| Solaris | May 15 2007, 03:49 PM Post #17 |
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Your opinions dont matter i was just angry with him for daring to dissagree with my superior intellect and thought i might post it here and see what u Neo Nazi scum make of it your points are like his irrelevant to the post u eithe agree with him or disagree Dont bother looking 4 creepy stuff cos i censored it all oh and i wanted to see how much u wanted to get at paul by reading it all you are clearly obsessed with trying to get "one up" |
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| Xx_SwordWords_xX | May 15 2007, 03:59 PM Post #18 |
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| Mock | May 15 2007, 04:10 PM Post #19 |
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Kindly euthanize yourself, with any luck you could employ palliative treatment to facilitate the self-termination process. |
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| ThePlague | May 15 2007, 04:32 PM Post #20 |
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You really can't expect much of Rat's kids. They're sufficiently broken that they can be manipulated and out-debated by ChatRat of all people. Talk about a selection process that scrapes the bottom of the barrel. |
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