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Shirley Phelps-Roper
Topic Started: Sep 25 2007, 02:10 PM (1,520 Views)
Lea
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I would hope that there are none. Not a single protester that stands outside his funeral.

We show respect where they have failed to show any,for no other reason than that it is the right thing to do.


Kindness has a very long shelf life.


Hatred does not.


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According to what I've read, the protests in the Phelps-Snider case were over a 1000' away, out of the sight and earshot of the funeral. They were definitely not on any private property associated with the funeral. It's quite the stretch to say they invaded anyone's privacy.

It is amusing that the same administration that advocates warrantless wiretapping and torture, that generally denies any right to privacy, argues this right for dead soldiers. Apparently, Republicans only care about rights for the unborn (abortion and stem cell research) and the dead (this case and the casket pics ban), while they are openly hostile to those in middle part called life.
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I would hope that there are none. Not a single protester that stands outside his funeral.

We show respect where they have failed to show any,for no other reason than that it is the right thing to do.


Nah, screw it Lea, I hope there's thousands of them. I'll be there if I can possibly make it.

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And the left only cares about banning aborted fetus pictures near abortion clinics. And everyone cares about banning anarchists.
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Yeah, that's an ongoing concern.
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According to what I've read, the protests in the Phelps-Snider case were over a 1000' away, out of the sight and earshot of the funeral.  They were definitely not on any private property associated with the funeral.  It's quite the stretch to say they invaded anyone's privacy.

It is amusing that the same administration that advocates warrantless wiretapping and torture, that generally denies any right to privacy, argues this right for dead soldiers.  Apparently, Republicans only care about rights for the unborn (abortion and stem cell research) and the dead (this case and the casket pics ban), while they are openly hostile to those in middle part called life.

It's called having respect for the dead plague.

That, and last I checked, the families of the dead soldiers we present and alive. Or do they not count because they're actually not the solider? Of course the messages these people are sprouting are being directed at the family left behind "your son is going to hell!" but lets ignore that, lets totally ignore the impact that would have on a family who's just lost someone they love, no no.. Free speech.. coming through!

It's their moment to say goodbye to their loved one. Which they should be left alone to do. But because we're talking about free speech.. fuck the family.. fuck their rights.. fuck decency and kindness and compassion.

They have the right to free speech which, yet again, is trampling all over every other right any other individual has.
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1000' away isn't being left alone? Tell me, how far away do you think is enough? You have to remember that in addition to being a member of a family, they were also government workers. As such, they are prone to the same criticism, direct or indirect, as any other representative of the government.

Of course, the PollyAnna approach is to only allow glorification of their death. It reminds me of the line from Casablanca:

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They got a lucky break. Yesterday they were just two German clerks. Today they're the "Honored Dead".


Not everyone is content to be a good German.
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Some cultural relativity is in order.

"Burning ghats, such as the auspicious Manikarnika Ghat, are where the dead are cremated. First thing in the morning is the best time to observe the death rituals in Varanasi; the light is at its most striking, draping a honey glow across the buildings rising steeply from the river.

In India death - like defecation - happens in public: funeral pyres are open to everyone, and there's little of the fear or squeamishness everpresent in Western funeral parlours. Little kids rummage through the ashes for valuables that the owners will no longer be needing, while only metres away the devout cleanse themselves in the (slightly ashy) waters of the Ganges.

To begin the ceremonies, the shrouded corpse is carried through the streets by outcasts known as chandal, followed by the deceased's family, chanting and praying. Funeral pyres are built and tended to all day, and cremations regularly take place simultaneously on the same ghat. The Dom Rajas are keepers of the sacred fire - which is never allowed to be extinguished - and cremators of the dead. Armed with wooden sticks, they poke at the fires, keeping things moving along.

Some 250 corpses a day are dealt with at the burning ghats. Once the cremation is complete, the remains are scattered to the four elements, with most of the ashes ending up in the water, floating merrily on their way to moksha."

It's Like A Heatwave

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A nice video about the Westboros

And found a youtube of it.

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More from Westboro.

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Just digging up an ancient thread for this:

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A father and daughter from a US church which preaches hatred of homosexuals have been banned from entering the UK.

Fred Phelps and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper from the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) had urged protests against a play being put on in Hampshire.

Queen Mary's College in Basingstoke is staging The Laramie Project, a play about a man killed for being gay.

Mrs Phelps-Roper told BBC News Online the decision would "bring great wrath upon your heads".

She warned other members of the church, who are not as well known to the authorities, will be trying to get into the UK to protest.

"There are members of WBC that are not named Phelps," she added.

"So they [the authorities] might have their work cut out for them.

"Unless they intend to begin checking the bare backsides of every person coming into that country to find that tattoo that says 'Property of WBC' - they will have no way of identifying who is from WBC."

She called the British government "filthy" for thinking they have the power "to keep the word of God from coming into her borders".

The UK Border Agency said it opposed "extremism in all its forms".

A spokesman added: "Both these individuals have engaged in unacceptable behaviour by inciting hatred against a number of communities.

"We will continue to stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country.

"The exclusions policy is targeted at all those who seek to stir up tension and provoke others to violence regardless of their origins and beliefs."

The Westboro church's website advertised the picket which was set to take place on Friday, proclaiming: "In merry old England they plan to further enrage the living God by putting on the farce known commonly as The Laramie Project.

"We will picket them, and see if they actually believe those lies they tell about how tolerant and accepting Brits are."

Hampshire Police said they were aware of the planned protest and officers were monitoring the situation.

The church's pickets of military funerals have outraged Americans

Stephen Sheedy, principle at Queen Mary's College, said: "I have been amazed and disturbed by what has happened this week.

"[The church's views] are such a gross abuse of Christianity and a gross misreading.

"The show is being put on by a production company, not by our students, but we support it fully and hope it goes ahead without any problems."

He does not expect any picket by the Westboro church but thought the coverage could actually spark a counter protest against them.

Members of the group - based in Topeka, Kansas - have denounced homosexuality for years and have in the past targeted the funerals of Aids victims.

In 2007, the church was told to pay $10.9m (£5.2m) after its members cheered a soldier's death as "punishment" for US tolerance of homosexuality.



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One of the few good decisions our Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has ever made.


Btw - I forgot just how annoying Plague was until I re-read this thread.
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While I think "time, place, manner" regulations of such behavior are appropriate, refusing entry into a country is archaic and backward. But I won't hold it against the UK. That's why we are over here now.
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Yeah, I wouldn't let you in either. :judge:
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That church group was also not allowed into Canada, when they announced they were going to picket the funeral of that guy who was beheaded on a bus, citing the crime happenned because God was mad at Canada for allowing gay marriage.

Shirley Phelps-Roger threatened that they had people over here that would picket it anyway, and no one showed up.

Being refused entry into a country isn't backward or archaic. If you don't have a valid reason for being there, either to holiday peacefully, live or work there, you shouldn't be granted entry. Being granted entry into anotehr country is a privelege, not a right.

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It's much harder to get into America. Well, legally at least.
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The revivification of this thread is an exercise in round-about futility. Remember, Wilders was invited. :lol:
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