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Topic Started: Nov 13 2007, 02:40 PM (3,543 Views)
Pestiferous
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Or they could assert some parental authority and prevent the relationship instead of enabling it.



They can't "prevent" it - and forcing her to sneak around behind their backs making even MORE uninformed, rebellious decisions would be enabling her eventual downfall even further.

The boyfriend isn't breaking any laws, the parents cannot legally keep the two apart.

I agree, it's disgusting, and if it were my daughter I'd probably runover the son-of-a-bitch and rape his twitching body with a splintery baseball bat...but keeping her close while she goes through this phase puts the parent in a much better position than making enemies.

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They can legally keep the two apart by insisting on and enforcing rules. Until she is 18, they have recourse, and can exert their will in the matter if they were willing to do so. There is such a thing as grounding, after all.

What it sounds like to me is that they are taking the route that causes the least friction. At a certain point, the good of the child should outweigh such niceties. In their own estimation, this relationship is not good for their daughter. She's talking about having kids with the guy, which is just insane. Instead of standing up to this idiocy, they're enabling it and giving support to him in at least the form of a place to live.
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You're not grasping her age, here. The 16 yr old can, legally, move out from under her parents' roof and walk away from her family. Enforcing rules is nothing if the teenager leaves, which she is fully able to.

Instead, her parents know the relationship isn't going to work, and are choosing to keep her close - not alienate her. She's 16, grounding her won't do anything when she has a 36 yr old man around to pay the bills. 16 yr olds in Britain are different than 16 yr olds in North America - she's done high school if she wants to be. She doesn't need to stick around until she's 18, or even 17.

Your parenting opinions are sorely outdated. Gone are the days when you can ground a 16 yr old by taking away her phone and television.
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Actually, no, I see exactly that occurring all the time for teens, over things a lot less severe than shacking up with a guy 20 years older.

Now, perhaps the laws are different in the UK, but until the kid is 18, the parents could legally do what they want in the states. For instance, send her to military or boarding school. In fact, I would think that since she's admitted that he has purchased her alcohol, they could even get a restraining order against him for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

According to this WikiAnswer, the parents could prevent her moving in with him. Now, of course, that's assuming both that this particular Wiki is correct, as well as the law is the same in the UK, but it does give corroborating evidence that the parents are not as legally helpless as you assert.
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Fantastic - your answer is for the United States. We're talking about Britain, I thought?

They cannot prevent her from moving out. They cannot "send her away to boarding school" - if they did, she can simply leave that boarding school.

Salvaging their relationship with their daughter is more important than being "right". Lol, unfathomable, I know.
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Well, according to Wiki again, the age of majority in Britain is the UK is likewise 18 with the exception of Scotland, which is 16. The usual provisos about the accuracy of Wiki apply. Now, perhaps the UK has an Age of License that allows living arrangements independent of the parents wishes, but I could not find any indications of this.

So, assuming the above is accurate, which I think is fair until a more definitive source can be cited, the parents do have legal recourse. As such, it follows that their helplessness in the situation is more due to being unwilling to exert their authority than a lack of authority.
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Under 16: You cannot leave home and a parent or carer can’t make you leave.

Age 16/17: You cannot leave home or care without permission but if you do the police may not take you back. Your parents are responsible for you to age 18. If they don’t look after you properly, social and health care and the local housing authority may help. You may be able to claim benefits, or receive help from social and health care if you have a care history. If you are in care and run away the police will bring you back. Social and health care (formerly social services) will call a meeting to find out why you left home without permission and try to find a solution.

Age 18: You can leave home without parental consent. You can hold a tenancy and buy a house or flat. You can also remain with your carers if they agree.


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So basically - you're not supposed to leave home at 16/17 without permission, but if you do then the police can't make you go home and stay there.
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Well, that's a bit confusing. You can not leave home, but if you do, the police "may not" take you back. Does that mean it's the discretion of the police, "may not" vs "can not"? If the police are not allowed to take the kid back, I wonder if parents can resort to a court order for 16/17, or just take them back themselves. I would think so, but perhaps not. After all, if they are legally responsible until 18, then it seems unreasonable not to give a legal mechanism for exerting this responsibility.
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I'm pretty sure in australia a kid can leave home at 16 and theres bugger all anyone can do about it.
Anyhow, whats with the uproar over this kid? happens all the time in islamic countries, and most times the guys also some uncle or cousin, she could be 12 and he could be 60 years old and have a wife or two already and the kid doesn't have a say in it at all. Nobody here gets upset over that.
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You should start a thread about it, Rev.
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He probably did but in all likelihood you killed it with your leftist PC-angst.
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Feb 28 2008, 10:47 PM
Well, that's a bit confusing. You can not leave home, but if you do, the police "may not" take you back. Does that mean it's the discretion of the police, "may not" vs "can not"? If the police are not allowed to take the kid back, I wonder if parents can resort to a court order for 16/17, or just take them back themselves. I would think so, but perhaps not. After all, if they are legally responsible until 18, then it seems unreasonable not to give a legal mechanism for exerting this responsibility.

It's a very grey area - which is why I can understand the parents deciding to allow the man to move into their house. They could keep an eye on things, rather than drive their young daughter away. This 'relationship' won't last forever, they've only been together two months and she already wanted to run away with him. At least the parents will be around to pick up the pieces and protect their daughter when things go bad.
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Feb 29 2008, 03:02 AM
He probably did but in all likelihood you killed it with your leftist PC-angst.

*snort* :lol:
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I love you,Mock.

with a passion that goes unspoken.
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Or get blamed that they weren't nice enough to him. The parents really needed to assert their authority or, if it actually doesn't exist, let her make her mistake instead of assisting in it.
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Feb 29 2008, 12:08 PM
I love you,Mock.

with a passion that goes unspoken.

Then why are you speaking about it? :huh:
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Feb 29 2008, 07:08 AM
I love you,Mock.

with a passion that goes unspoken.

I second that motion Lea! :wub:
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:huh:

Good luck.

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Feb 29 2008, 12:13 PM
Or get blamed that they weren't nice enough to him. The parents really needed to assert their authority or, if it actually doesn't exist, let her make her mistake instead of assisting in it.

They are letting her make her mistake. They're just protecting her as well. If they'd given their daughter an ultimatum - that she should either stop seeing this man or she could make her mistake under someone else's roof - then they would have lost their daughter. Simple as that.
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You didn't get it, Sword?

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