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Isn't this Board Great Without Plague???; or Mock... same thing...
Topic Started: Apr 22 2008, 05:24 PM (5,752 Views)
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Fair enough.... only.... by plague's perception a promise koril made was broken so he breaks one to... me??? BTW, Koril and I are seperate people. Just thought I'd point that out.


Man.

The way that you two are able to twist this thing around in your minds is nothing short of amazing.

Swords, hither to Plague banning her from the room, you had been arguing on Wes's behalf that she was perfectly justified in breaking her promise to Plague, as you continue to do:

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Koril argued that she made an assurance, promise, whatever to what she considered to be a friend at the time. That friend later claimed he never even liked her, thus koril feels that the person she made the promise to changed.


OK. So, that's done. She justified breaking her promise on those grounds. Great. Over. End scene.

NOW....

After Plague has banned her, you argue that Plague should keep his promise that he wouldn't ban people -- YES, A PROMISE MADE TO YOU, AND NOT WES, AND IT IS EVIDENT THAT YOU TWO ARE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT PEOPLE.

But, clearly Plague could use the very same rationale used by Wes and you, in justifying having broken his promise to you: The promise that I made to Swords was made to a friend. But, the person to whom I made that promise has changed. The person to whom I made the promise doesn't exist anymore...perhaps never really existed.

Yes? Is the nickel dropping finally?

And, here you all are going on about how you're banned from the chat room, whining that Plague is a sore loser and so forth. (Now, of course, you're all pretending not to be bothered, as though it makes any sense whatsoever that you wouldn't mind what is clearly a HINDRANCE to your pass-time.)

At any rate, my original point is that you seemed to be holding Plague to his promise while justifying Wes breaking her promise. AND, YES, WES BROKE HER PROMISE TO PLAGUE, WHEREAS PLAGUE BROKE HIS PROMISE TO YOU. But, you still argued on her behalf. And, now that the very same reasoning employed by you and Wes might be employed by Plague, in retribution for the act which you sought to justify by applying said reasoning, you're arguing that Plague shouldn't do to you the very same thing that Wes did to him, which you have supported her doing!!!

I mean...I really can't make it any clearer than that.

If you don't see it, maybe someone else will try to explain it to you.

At least, Wes has now admitted that she doesn't care about it, and that she's not holding Plague to his promise, as she knows that she has no such right.
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But, clearly Plague could use the very same rationale used by Wes and you, in justifying having broken his promise to you: The promise that I made to Swords was made to a friend. But, the person to whom I made that promise has changed. The person to whom I made the promise doesn't exist anymore...perhaps never really existed.

Yes? Is the nickel dropping finally?


No. Don't be moronic now.

He made the promise to me as a co-manager not as his friend. The logic doesn't apply because even if he thinks in retrospect I am not the "friend" he thought I was, the fact that I was co-manager will never change (even in retrospect).

You getting that big boy?
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And...

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And, here you all are going on about how you're banned from the chat room, whining that Plague is a sore loser and so forth. (Now, of course, you're all pretending not to be bothered, as though it makes any sense whatsoever that you wouldn't mind what is clearly a HINDRANCE to your pass-time.)


I'm not banned. Do try to keep up.

And that's my point. If he is applying this promise breaking blah blah blah from wes to me, then he'd of banned me.

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He made the promise to me as a co-manager not as his friend. The logic doesn't apply because even if he thinks in retrospect I am not the "friend" he thought I was, the fact that I was co-manager will never change (even in retrospect).


Yes, and I already addressed this two posts ago:

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Ah, well at least Swords has a coherent argument. She argues different standards to different types of relationships, implying a hierarchy. In this case, she posits that a promise made to a co-manager of a chatroom has greater value than a promise made to a friend-of-a-friend, which is what Plague was when Wes made her promise to him.

It's a rather arbitrary standard, Swords, but at least you can claim that it has value to you.




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And that's my point. If he is applying this promise breaking blah blah blah from wes to me, then he'd of banned me.


NO! NO! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It DOESN'T MATTER that he has banned Wes and not you!!!!

Swords, you're clearly not reading what I'm writing.

I'll phrase it two more ways, and then that's it:


1.) Swords supports a certain act when it is committed by Wes, but she does not support that same act when it is committed by Plague.

In this case, "the act" is defined as the breaking of a promise under certain circumstances which are common to both commissions of the act, i.e. the commission of the act by Wes, and the commission of the act by Plague both occurred in roughly analoguous circumstances.


2.) When Wes behaves a certain way toward Plague, Swords defends her behavior. But, when Plague behaves in that same way toward Wes, Swords criticizes his behavior.


In summary, Swords maintains two, different standards for likewise behavior: one standard for Wes, and a different standard for Plague. UNLESS, she now agrees as to my previous point regarding her rather arbitrary belief in a relationship hierarchy: that Plague's promise to her (as co-manager of a chatroom) is of greater value than Wes's promise to him (as a friend-of-a-friend, which is what Plague and Wes were to each other at the time of said promise).

And, I would remind Swords that if she chooses to argue that a change in the relationship between she and Plague, or between Wes and Plague, has nullified the promise made therein, then I would remind her that Plague might likewise argue that his relationship with Swords has since changed as well, perhaps adding that he no longer regards her as co-manager.
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1.) Swords supports a certain act when it is committed by Wes, but she does not support that same act when it is committed by Plague.

No. I support the act equally by two. It is plague who did not support Wes' act therefore by his own standards if he were banning against his word it would be himself he'd have to answer to when it comes to his own hypocrisy.

That's it. Nothing more.

I don't care which promises he breaks to me... it is he who cares so deeply about these things.
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I think Cyg's completely dropped his basket now.

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2.) When Wes behaves a certain way toward Plague, Swords defends her behavior. But, when Plague behaves in that same way toward Wes, Swords criticizes his behavior.



Sword defended my behaviour because I didn't promise.

Sword is criticizing Plague's behaviour because not only did he promise, he also went on for pages and pages on this board about how important a promise is.

Plague isn't behaving any same way toward me because - surprise - he never promised ME he wouldn't ban me.

So he isn't breaking a promise to me.

I see what you're trying to do, and had Plague made the promise to me it would make sense...but Sword didn't break a promise to Plague, Plague broke one to her.

I never promised Plague I wouldn't post his picture. Only he seems to believe that - the other two people who were there do not.




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Oh, and I'll be wearing jeans, high heels and a dressy shirt this weekend, Sword.
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Sword defended my behaviour because I didn't promise.


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Koril argued that she made an assurance, promise, whatever to what she considered to be a friend at the time. That friend later claimed he never even liked her, thus koril feels that the person she made the promise to changed.


It seems that you two need to get your story straight.



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No. I support the act equally by two. It is plague who did not support Wes' act therefore by his own standards if he were banning against his word it would be himself he'd have to answer to when it comes to his own hypocrisy.


OK, good.

So, Swords now supports Plague's banning of Wes et al from the chatroom, even though in doing so, Plague is breaking his promise to Swords.

I'm glad to see that you've abandoned your relationship hierarchy rationale, because I think it's pretty lame to think of a chatroom relationship as more important than a real-life relationship. At best, they could be equal.
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Koril argued that she made an assurance, promise, whatever



YOU said an assurance was a promise, that is why she used that terminology followed up with a whatever.


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So, Swords now supports Plague's banning of Wes et al from the chatroom, even though in doing so, Plague is breaking his promise to Swords.



The issue was never me being banned - you seem to have problems understanding this.

The issue was Plague breaking a promise AFTER all the hoopla he stirred up over what he deemed was a broken promise. According to him, there is no good reason to break a promise.

Which means you going on about why he could have is really wasting everyone's time. He's made it clear, he never would have under ANY circumstances.

Why do you have such a hard-on for Plague, anyway?

Also, you never cited any examples of me actually whining about being banned...? Have we glossed that irrational comment over?
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We're meeting some people at Desire around 10ish.
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Is it mostly gay men or women too?
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We're meeting my friend Abby, she's bringing some gay male friends and I think a couple of women. I also invited my other friend Patricia, and if she comes it'll be women as well.

I invited Mike, but I don't think Desire is the sort of place C likes.

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The issue was Plague breaking a promise AFTER all the hoopla he stirred up over what he deemed was a broken promise. According to him, there is no good reason to break a promise.


That may be the issue for you.

But, my point has been that you have no right to take issue with that. It's a joke that you would do so.

In essence your victory is that, by having derided and ridiculed Plague here for a solid week or more, you have caused him to lower his ethical standard respecting promises to that which you have had for some time.

In other words, you've succeeded in bringing Plague down to your level. And, that's only if one regards your treatment of Plague over the past week as commensurate with his simply having revealed that he never liked you, which I don't agree with at all. It's one of those false equations that you see people try to make all too often.

And, I don't recall ever using the word "assurance."

Wes, I don't remember what you said about Plague having banned you. I recall you and others whining about it, calling Plague a sore loser and so forth, but I don't remember who said what. And, it doesn't matter now that you've stated that you don't regard his having banned you as unfair.
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you have caused him to lower his ethical standard respecting promises to that which you have had for some time.

In other words, you've succeeded in bringing Plague down to your level


LOL

OMG. This is just wrong.

We are all adults and responsible for our own actions. Nobody "makes" anybody do anything.
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Murdering is wrong, murdering is wrong, *murders Cyg*...

Oops! He made me do it!

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But, my point has been that you have no right to take issue with that. It's a joke that you would do so.



Yes, that has been your point - MY point has been I haven't taken issue with it.

Whatsoever.

In fact, you mentioned earlier that I did and have still failed to prove how so.

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Wes, I don't remember what you said about Plague having banned you. I recall you and others whining about it, calling Plague a sore loser and so forth, but I don't remember who said what.


You don't remember? Lol. You've been posting hysterical nonsense based on your memory for the past month, accusing me of various things - like making fun of Marsha's spelling, or calling Lea a bad wife and mother...

Have you stopped, amidst your ridiculous and relentless accusations against me, to ponder the thought that (maybe) you just have a problem with me? You can't seem to stop making up shit, convincing yourself I said it, and going after me for it.

Whatever I said about Plague banning me is right on this board. You don't have to rely on your shitty memory - it's all right there. Look back.

Your entire argument is based on "not knowing who said what".

Are you done wasting my time yet?


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lol.

Well, I suppose you can argue causation.

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to say that you've motivated him to it, rather than caused him to do it. In other words, if not for your actions, his subsequent action of banning you would not have occurred.

And, if you deny any hand in having motivated him to ban you...

Well, let's just end it as we ended the last one:

The leprechaun told you do it.


Wes, you're getting far too excited and exercised about this.

It was originally just a few questions that I asked:

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Just out of curiosity...

Did Plague ever "promise" not to ban anyone from the chat room?


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I see.

And, do you suppose it might be that the person to whom he made that promise "wasn't real," as far as Plague is concerned?


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So, as far as you're concerned, it doesn't make sense to apply your own justification to anyone other than yourself?

Interesting....



I didn't expect to have to argue the point or explain it to anyone. I thought it self-evident.

I'm not going back to check. But, if you never said anything about Plague being a sore loser and so forth, then consider that portion of my comments to have been directed at those who did.

You keep saying that you don't take issue with Plague breaking his promise not to ban you, and yet you keep saying this as well:

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The issue was Plague breaking a promise AFTER all the hoopla he stirred up over what he deemed was a broken promise. According to him, there is no good reason to break a promise.


Once and for all, which is it?

Do you take issue in any way with Plague banning you or not?

I believe that Swords has already responded in the negative...unless she also wishes to reverse herself.
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P.S. -- It's rich of you to suggest that it is I who've been wasting your time, as I've been playing whack-a-mole here with your ever-evolving position about Plague banning you.

I will try to give you a demonstration of what wasting your time actually looks and feels like, though, to give you some perspective. In other words, I will try to mimic your argumentation style.
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The quote says THE issue.

Not MY issue.

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FFS Cyg. Koril and I are seperate people posting completely separately to you. Your whole fucking post up there is to Koril, yet you quote several times from discussion occuring between you and I--NOT KORIL.

Even your last fucking line:

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Do you take issue in any way with Plague banning you or not?

I believe that Swords has already responded in the negative...unless she also wishes to reverse herself.


If you are talking to HER why do you keep dragging ME into it?

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Well, I suppose you can argue causation.


ME. Not Koril. I argued that. But then you jumble us up again when in your next line you say

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Perhaps it would be more appropriate to say that you've motivated him to it, rather than caused him to do it. In other words, if not for your actions, his subsequent action of banning you would not have occurred.


AND, in a post to Koril you quote:

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Just out of curiosity...

Did Plague ever "promise" not to ban anyone from the chat room?




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I see.

And, do you suppose it might be that the person to whom he made that promise "wasn't real," as far as Plague is concerned?


The response you didn't quote in between was from ME. So why are you bringing it up with Koril??

It is you who doesn't "get" what we are saying to you, and that is fine, but obviously it is due to your inablity to follow.




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