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Why I hate people.
Topic Started: Jul 20 2008, 06:03 PM (5,679 Views)
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Keep talking ignorant-boy.
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You were the one that risked a physical altercation with your kid as tag-along.
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Really? A physical altercation?

At which point in the story did you think the confrontation was about to get physical, Mock? And why?
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Swords, I know, you know the answer to which cultures I was referring to. ...I think...

Yet, between your question, and when I got back online, there's Pest's up there too, directed towards Mock...

That's interesting. I see 3 or 4 points in that story, where it could have turned ugly.


It's just obviously, VERY different, where you're at, from where I am. That's all. Nothing deep.

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Jan 18 2009, 11:41 PM
Swords, I know, you know the answer to which cultures I was referring to. ...I think...

Yet, between your question, and when I got back online, there's Pest's up there too, directed towards Mock...

That's interesting. I see 3 or 4 points in that story, where it could have turned ugly.


It's just obviously, VERY different, where you're at, from where I am. That's all. Nothing deep.

Est you frustrate me often. You say alot, and even insinuate a lot, without actually coming out and saying what it is you actually wanted to say.

Let me break down my question for you:

Do you mean a culture of age, of country, or of something else?

I just don't see the point in a response if you want to avert anyone from responding to you.


Mock, the woman was 60-some-years old. There is NO point when it could have turned physical, and I'm sure with child in tow she'd be even further ignorant to do so.
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Yes, Mock - I want to know which point in the story made you think she was risking a physical altercation with the woman - especially when she says this before they even exchanged words:


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I see it's an older woman (maybe 60s) in the car facing me



Estelle, I can't see one instance in that story where a physical altercation could have come about, let alone 3 or 4. During the initial confrontation, Sword was still in her car. During the second, she was in a busy store surrounded by witnesses.

Perhaps it is a culture thing, in our culture the chance of an exchange with a senior woman who was all by herself turning into a physical altercation is nonexistant.

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All I have to say, is that if you've met me, and you've seen me angry, you probably wouldn't be trying to fight me.... or maybe YOU would.
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Jan 19 2009, 03:47 AM
All I have to say, is that if you've met me, and you've seen me angry, you probably wouldn't be trying to fight me.... or maybe YOU would.

Do you start snapping and bobbing your head a lot?
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Jan 18 2009, 03:41 PM
Again, you'd have to know me to know I live without fear. I am actually mostly overly polite and kind to people (I know with this story it's hard to believe), but there are times when I am crossed, where all of that will disappear. Again, I'll reiterate, I've always lived this way and it has never led me astray... so Imma gonna keep on doing it.


Rationale and motive established -- hot-tempered belligerence is in fact a character attribute of hers. Which would translate to her seeking out confrontation when she considers herself wronged. Even the presence of her child did not stop her from exerting this behavioral trait -- a common consideration for normal people. No instead she considers it the responsibility of the other party to 'mitigate' their tone in order to spare her child the emotional trauma.

Basically the presence of the child is utilized to the effect of a psychological instrument and bargaining tool to browbeat 'opponents' into submission. Comparable to remarking upon a personality defect of your significant other when company is over. Do you ruin the rest of the night by challenging her imprecation -- most likely resulting in a heated exchange, or do you politely 'suck it up' to spare the guests the awkwardness?

And people are notoriously unpredictable, for all you know she was carrying mace, or worse, a concealed firearm. Sixty year old women are low on the threat assessment list, but they still constitute an elevated risk when confrontation is purposely sought out.
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Maybe it is a culture thing, but that would've been my concern before I even bothered saying anything to her. Gun, knife, mace. Crazy people live to be crazy in their sixties sometimes. Dementia sets in, they could get confused, paranoid. In the U.S., what Swords did, by blocking the woman in and confronting her and then going so far as to step in front of her and purposefully humiliate her, is called road rage. If a perfectly reasonable woman with a child can exhibit road rage, why couldn't a sixty year old woman you know nothing about?

ETA: I'm just trying to explain why I, and probably Estte see a cultural difference. Could be the different countries, could be that we both live in the back woods, so to speak, and people carrying firearms is fairly commonplace. Further, at least here, had it turned ugly, the woman being sixty years old would have made Swords the bad guy. It just would've, had the police been called.
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Jan 18 2009, 03:41 PM
Again, you'd have to know me to know I live without fear. I am actually mostly overly polite and kind to people (I know with this story it's hard to believe), but there are times when I am crossed, where all of that will disappear. Again, I'll reiterate, I've always lived this way and it has never led me astray... so Imma gonna keep on doing it.


Rationale and motive established -- hot-tempered belligerence is in fact a character attribute of hers. Which would translate to her seeking out confrontation when she considers herself wronged. Even the presence of her child did not stop her from exerting this behavioral trait -- a common consideration for normal people. No instead she considers it the responsibility of the other party to 'mitigate' their tone in order to spare her child the emotional trauma.

Basically the presence of the child is utilized to the effect of a psychological instrument and bargaining tool to browbeat 'opponents' into submission. Comparable to remarking upon a personality defect of your significant other when company is over. Do you ruin the rest of the night by challenging her imprecation -- most likely resulting in a heated exchange, or do you politely 'suck it up' to spare the guests the awkwardness?

And people are notoriously unpredictable, for all you know she was carrying mace, or worse, a concealed firearm. Sixty year old women are low on the threat assessment list, but they still constitute an elevated risk when confrontation is purposely sought out.

Mock, you talk as though you know me, yet you don't. You don't know what I have said about my significant other when guests are over.... or do you?

You're creepy--shut-up Plague.


My child was with me and my child is a member of this earth in a little journey called life. He is not "spared" from reality and in fact, he is better adjusted than most his age.

Now fuck off and die :).
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Swords did, by blocking the woman in and confronting her and then going so far as to step in front of her and purposefully humiliate her, is called road rage.


Give me a fucking break. I mean, seriously. I respect you lori, but really.

I pulled up and waited for the lady to get out of her car, the whole time I spoke to her I was having a conversation, not raging. The only time my tone was nasty was when I called her ignornat, but ignorant she was being. I went into the store to complete my day as planned (while talking to my son in a gleefull tone about what kind of cookies we would bake this weekend), and seeing the lady was happenstance. I stepped in front of her swiftly but without force.

LOL, road rage. It's like the big evil war on terror.

Is what Koril did in the grocery store considered cart rage?
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Does seem a little aggressive to me, Swords. Maybe in conceding that she had circled that car park four times, which she may have, you can imagine the situation in reverse? I'm sure had it been you in her shoes, you'd now be just as emphatic about how you were correct.

I'm not saying you're a sociopath or anything but even if she 'stole your place' it does seem like an excessively confrontational way to deal with an elderly woman.
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I just don't understand getting so upset over a parking spot. I cant imagine getting so angry to the point of confronting an elderly person over such a petty event.

It seems so unnecessary.
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I can imagine maybe doing it - not sure about being proud of it afterwards though.
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It must be a cultural difference. But then again, since working with old people, I have an exceptional amount of patience and sympathy when it comes to them. I mean, they're old and nearing the end of their life. They're already humiliated enough by their failing bodies. Shit. Most of them move slower and hurt in ways we have not yet realized.

So yeah, if I'm face to face with an old person, especially if it's winter time, and we're positioned for the same parking spot, I'd give it up to them. If anything, it's another opportunity to teach my kid to be courteous and deal with reality without stressing the small shit like a fucking parking spot. lol. Seriously. I just dont get it when people in good health circle lots over and over again looking for that spot closest to the door. What a waste of time, and in my opinion, it's pure laziness.
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Swords did, by blocking the woman in and confronting her and then going so far as to step in front of her and purposefully humiliate her, is called road rage.


Give me a fucking break. I mean, seriously. I respect you lori, but really.

I pulled up and waited for the lady to get out of her car, the whole time I spoke to her I was having a conversation, not raging. The only time my tone was nasty was when I called her ignornat, but ignorant she was being. I went into the store to complete my day as planned (while talking to my son in a gleefull tone about what kind of cookies we would bake this weekend), and seeing the lady was happenstance. I stepped in front of her swiftly but without force.

LOL, road rage. It's like the big evil war on terror.

Is what Koril did in the grocery store considered cart rage?

Swords, I didn't mean to imply you were raging the entire time. It was clear from your story that you weren't David Banner struggling not to become the Hulk or anything. I just meant that you instigated a confrontation that was out of behavior for you, which you've admitted is not the norm for you.

I'm not trying to embellish the story, and I may even be wrong, but please understand that I'm just trying to explain where my point of view is coming from and why people say it could've been dangerous.

ETA: I said earlier that I thought confronting her was effective enough. I can't remember if I said I understood it, but I sympathize with that. I wouldn't have done it, for the reasons I described. I don't know if I'd have done what Carole did, but the lady mouthed off to her first. The situations were different.
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I remember once when I was a kid I was in the supermarket with my dad and he accidentally hit some old woman's cart. He said excuse me but the woman muttered something and he shot back "I said excuse me you cow!" It made me chuckle.
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Those people are referred to as 'militant apologists', their whole demeanour flies in the face of common courtesy, defeating the very concept of an apology. It's even reasonable to suspect that the original transgression was perpetrated for the sole purpose of obtrusively apologizing -- with the ulterior motive being recognition of their existence in the social sphere.

Avoidance of these militant apologists is always recommended, as their noxious 'assertive' qualities don't just end with the wholesale systematic invasion of your personal space -- their unwritten mission statement is to ultimately 'broker' contact with your second sphincter.
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