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Why I hate people.
Topic Started: Jul 20 2008, 06:03 PM (5,689 Views)
ConfusedMonkey
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Mock, this is about something that happened nearly two years ago. Henry and I have stayed quiet. The only people that knew what happened were Pest and Euph - purely because things did get very ugly before Henry left Texas. I called twice the entire time he was there, and the second time Henry frantically whispered to me not to call again, things had gone really badly and he'd see me in a few days. Panicking, I talked to Pest about what could have gone wrong. So she had an idea of what had happened before Mori ran to her with her side of the story. All it took was for me to read the letter to Pest over the phone for her to know what had actually happened. Since Pest and Euph were together and both of them are very good friends of mine, they both knew it all.

Pest and Euph stayed quiet as well. They hadn't said anything to anybody. There was no need, what happened happened. It was only after it became apparent that Mori had told several people about how Henry practically forced himself on her and what a cunt he was to her that we knew it was time for those people to read Mori's letter - Mori's own words. All of these lies going around in the background have done nothing but destroy friendships - including ones that Pest and Euph had. The only way to resolve this is for everything to come out in the open. Henry and I have nothing to hide. And at the end of the day, it always tends to come out in the wash.

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, Mock. The intention was for those people that had been lied to directly by Mori to see Mori's own words in that letter. Since it completely contradicts what she's been saying for nearly two years, it's job is done.
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It's a ritual of filth, presided over by Pestephemia, the liturgical rites of which are meant to instigate and foment as much rot, controversy and infamy as possible. This most recent ‘re-initiation’ of hostilities, in conjunction with the general timeline that you've provided on this matter, would betray a retrospective rationalization on your part, or rather on behalf of the Priestess of Filth.

It’s a contextual pretext, seized upon with raptorial precision, the effects of which will be counterproductive to your putative cause. It’s an obsolescent matter brought back into the limelight with a retributive zeal, a core component to Pestephemia’s modus operandi, as would attest the duration of her many online grudges in general.

Just look at the ‘happenstance’, Mori is in a fragile condition, non-participatory in this forum for quite some time, and you find yourself in what poses as a ‘public tribunal’, acting as an apologetic witness, excusing the acidic vitriol of the ‘prosecution’.

A responsible adult would not in good conscience extend a single degree of latitude for where it concerns the loathsome conduct of Pestiferous and Euphemia.
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then you can ask Lea, or Lori, or Leija, or Serendipity, or one of the other people who were given Mori's story over and over again. Ask those people if the letter does completely contradict what they were told.



just for clarification... Mori never told me anything about any of this.
the only private conversations Mori and i ever had were about Will, my health, her meeting and marrying Coby and her baby.

all of this unfolded for me a few days ago... i was so out of the loop that i didnt know Mori and Henry were even friends... you know, friends enough to make a visit.... let alone two visits.

i'm not here to judge anyone as my own life has had it's share of drama and bad decision making.

i was more than a little shocked at the unfolding events.
and i will say this... i think the way Mori has disappeared from this forum and the way her sister doesnt really say anything about any of this and the way clever has essentially told cyg to back off because he would just make it worse and make himself look like an ass, speaks to the truth of whats been said.


i feel bad for all those involved in this...losing friends is never a good thing.
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I'm not sure who Mock is trying to kid about being an unhappy bystander. He's actively getting off on this stuff, begging for more. Regardless of anyone else's reasons for being involved, his persona of snippy, aloof judging really does fall down when you look closer at his recent posts.

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Point us in the right direction, reveal these neatly stacked piles of evidence!


Well, if you ask me to I shall. You do tend to keep after us for more material for your twisted little wank-fantasies. These are a few snippets, reasonably in context I must say, from Mock's last few posts. I think you can see that his attachment to myself, my wife and anything we've done really does take on a very sleazy air when you scrutinize it.

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This ritual of filth … layers of dirt … acidic vitriol … this sordid affair … petty, venomous and spiteful … It's a ritual of filth presided over by … the Priestess of Filth … and foment as much rot … stand abreast to a foul proclivity … foment a lingering air …the mounting tide … the putrefaction fluids gush out … their cognitive rot … a sliver of degenerate self-worth!


Now, isn't this the work of someone who's working themselves up into a bizarrely sexualized frenzy? The shame just seeps through the cracks. Mock, seriously, find yourself a healthier outlet. Irregardless of the fact that this had nothing to do with you, you throw yourself into the middle of it and roll around in it like a pig in shit. You love it. It's your "ritual of filth".

And if we stopped, it might break you.
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then you can ask Lea, or Lori, or Leija, or Serendipity, or one of the other people who were given Mori's story over and over again. Ask those people if the letter does completely contradict what they were told.



just for clarification... Mori never told me anything about any of this.
the only private conversations Mori and i ever had were about Will, my health, her meeting and marrying Coby and her baby.

all of this unfolded for me a few days ago... i was so out of the loop that i didnt know Mori and Henry were even friends... you know, friends enough to make a visit.... let alone two visits.

i'm not here to judge anyone as my own life has had it's share of drama and bad decision making.

i was more than a little shocked at the unfolding events.
and i will say this... i think the way Mori has disappeared from this forum and the way her sister doesnt really say anything about any of this and the way clever has essentially told cyg to back off because he would just make it worse and make himself look like an ass, speaks to the truth of whats been said.


i feel bad for all those involved in this...losing friends is never a good thing.

I'm sorry Seren, I shouldn't have dragged your name in or anyone else's. It's just very frustrating to be in this situation.

Thanks for clearing that up though. I also think what you've said is absolutely right.
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Why don't you go suck an ignorant American's cock already?
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My 2 cents.
Have you all noticed how many hits this thread is getting? wow...

People, like reality. Especially people that don't get out that much, they want to read about other people that do. It's reality television, for readers.
You all are some good writers and chatters, every one of you.

I might have been the one that opened this can of worms. I had read about Henri's and Mori's visit, in another group, awhile back. Was thinking of joining in, here, so I mentioned it as a conversation starter to Mori, in the buzzen P&A chatroom the other night. She didn't say anything 'bad' to me, about anything. We had a fun chat. I thought about going back.

ANYWAY...
Like Serendipity typed, most of us that aren't in this immediate circle, had no clue that any thing 'off' was going on.
Now we know. Big deal. It's not like anybody else has never had anything like this happen to them, off line, either. I could tell you some stories that would curl your hair. Some of them even made it to the myspaces.

Real people lie to themselves, each other, they drink..., they say and do things that are 'funny' in the moment. Sometimes, they regret it later, sometimes not.
It's sort of a 'dare' we take, typing like this, out in the open and so many getting together in real life, the different perspectives...

Maybe...., think of it simpley as taking a dare, and living to tell about it? You can't take it back. Especially if a person is involved on the internet. Maybe, derPlague should have thought of that ...? lol !

Wanders away muttering...., and people wonder, why I delete...
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I'm sorry Seren, I shouldn't have dragged your name in or anyone else's. It's just very frustrating to be in this situation.

Thanks for clearing that up though. I also think what you've said is absolutely right.



Monkey... no apologies are needed or necessary. :wub:

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I'm sorry to say that the whole episode is going down exactly as I'd predicted, so far, given what I've heard from both sides.

Note how I was not PM'd any of the "evidence" from either of the people I'd asked for it (Henry and Wes). Instead, it was withheld until such a time as it could be made public with some semblance of justification. My stepping back from the argument didn't quite provide the obvious demand for airing the dirty laundry that they'd wanted, but I think that they were convinced that I wouldn't be giving them quite what they wanted, so they went ahead with it anyway at that point.

Again, why string me along with breadcrumbs after I'd requested several times that the information be PM'd to me for an honest appraisal.

The only element yet to make an appearance is Wes's special brand of "reasoning."

But, I've no doubt that it would soon surface were I to argue the case.

As I said, I'm not getting involved in a he-said/she-said on behalf of "she," without the involvement of "she."

To be perfectly candid, though, I think that Mock might do a better job of arguing the case than I would. From what I've been told, his indictment of the time-line is valid. Another important point would be that of motive -- what are the motives of each of the people involved.

Regardless, it's still bad logic and a hasty generalization to conclude that Mori must have been lying about her illness, even if the evidence presented here were to show that she'd been lying about "the visit."

And, a flip backwards in time a few days will remind the reader that it was an attack on her by Euph accusing her of faking her illness that triggered my original involvement.

So, I'm pretty resigned about the whole thing. Love triangles are rarely clear-cut, and there are usually three sides to the story, as one might expect, even without being adept at geometry.


This, however:


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It has become increasingly obvious to me that you, Cygnus, could care less about "defending" my sister.


All of this is clearly just an excuse to attack Pest.  You are making a complete fool of yourself and are doing more harm than good. 

If you want to attack Pest, be my guest, but no matter what you say to her, she is always going to have a come-back.  But if you really want to have a never ending battle about.....NOTHING

Please be my guest...


This is very disappointing. Not to mention baffling.

I can't imagine how anyone following this drama could arrive at such a conclusion. I mean, you might as well accuse me of being the aliens from the other thread. It is a perfect example, however, of no good deed going unpunished, if I do say so myself.
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Instead of accepting this, you've spent the past 4 days telling ME why my opinion of Mori is wrong.


I don't care what your opinion of her is.

I care about you and your husband attacking her and talking shit about her all over the place, when she hasn't said peep to either of you.

And, I care about the sleazy way that you manipulate the truth for your own, twisted ends.

And, I care that you make shit up about people.

I know that you make shit up about people, because you've done it to me.

And, I don't need any "proof" to know that.
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My stepping back from the argument didn't quite provide the obvious demand for airing the dirty laundry that they'd wanted, but I think that they were convinced that I wouldn't be giving them quite what they wanted, so they went ahead with it anyway at that point.



You're kidding me, right? You stepped back from the argument? When?

I didn't pm you because you didn't really give me a compelling reason as to why I should. This information wasn't for you specifically, so why should I have sent it to you?

Has Mori appointed you as her keeper?


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I don't care what your opinion of her is.

I care about you and your husband attacking her and talking shit about her all over the place, when she hasn't said peep to either of you.



Yes, you seem to care very much as to what my opinion is of her.


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And, I care that you make shit up about people.

I know that you make shit up about people, because you've done it to me.



Really? Like what? I'd love a quote, Cygnus...for months you've been accusing me of random crap, yet you've never manged to once back it up.


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I'm sorry to say that the whole episode is going down exactly as I'd predicted, so far, given what I've heard from both sides.


No, actually you predicted this:

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What would most likely happen is that you'd jumble some personal information about Mori in with a bunch of very bad reasoning, hasty conclusions (of the kind for which you have become infamous), false analogies, erroneous deductions and your special brand of made-up-shit, and serve it all up to me like a casserole baked by a retarded leper.



And instead, I gave you direct quotes from the person herself. You were quite wrong, and instead of being a big boy and admitting it, now you're just bleating away from a corner that I could have pm'd you this stuff and saved your poor Mori from public embarrassment.

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Regardless, it's still bad logic and a hasty generalization to conclude that Mori must have been lying about her illness, even if the evidence presented here were to show that she'd been lying about "the visit."



Now, that's hilarious. You accuse me of being a liar using some baseless, shit excuse over and over - not an actual lie, no, just the fact that you don't like me - and here's a woman proven to be a liar, using her own words, and concluding that she would lie about other things in her life to gain sympathy is a hasty, bad conclusion?

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As I said, I'm not getting involved in a he-said/she-said on behalf of "she," without the involvement of "she."


Yeah, you said that about 6 posts ago...on the same topic.


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Again, why string me along with breadcrumbs after I'd requested several times that the information be PM'd to me for an honest appraisal.



You're incapable of an honest appraisal.


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It has become increasingly obvious to me that you, Cygnus, could care less about "defending" my sister.


All of this is clearly just an excuse to attack Pest.  You are making a complete fool of yourself and are doing more harm than good. 

If you want to attack Pest, be my guest, but no matter what you say to her, she is always going to have a come-back.  But if you really want to have a never ending battle about.....NOTHING

Please be my guest...


This is very disappointing. Not to mention baffling.

I can't imagine how anyone following this drama could arrive at such a conclusion. I mean, you might as well accuse me of being the aliens from the other thread. It is a perfect example, however, of no good deed going unpunished, if I do say so myself.

I don't know where you get off thinking that you even deserve to know all the details of all this. You weren't even involved!

What makes you think that you should be able to "judge this case". And who asked you to defend Mori?

If she really cared about all this shit, she would be in here defending herself, she doesn't need you.

You are just making it worse by constantly bringing up her name here. She left here b/c she didn't want to be talked about here, and you are not helping by constantly re-hashing this.

Just shut up.

Find something else to "feel strongly" about
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What deviant mind would consider this a matter of public service? The pathology driving their activities is tragic enough, but to actively extol the 'virtues' of their 'labor'? Bringing it to the public as if a bestowment forged in shared delight? The 'troglodytic imperative' that defines their person is truly a monument to the most diabolical forms of depravity.

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Mock, please, speak english.

I never know what side you are on, or what you are talking about.

PEOPLE DON'T TALK LIKE THAT, SHAKESPEARE!
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lol, Mock. Really? Diabolical forms of depravity? I think your hyberbole is really getting away from you again. Reign it in a bit. You're clearly absolutely loving all of this, but get a hold of yourself. Please.

This comes out of your love a good He-Said-She-Said quarrel. As I said before, you are revelling in this business, your little "ritual of filth". You can fool yourself all you want about your reasons why, I guarantee it’s about the only person you are. You just have to dive into the middle of it.

Anyone who’s had the misfortune of having you on MSN messenger or Private Messages, or even just been cornered by you in chat knows that you like to find out as much as you can about everyone in there. All the juicy, personal stuff too, the more lurid the better. Remember how upset you were to find out that I didn’t have tattoos? LOL. You troll around for this stuff and woe-betide any chatter that has met another. They can expect you to cajole and bother them for all the details you can get your grubby little paws on. You simply must know. It’s the same on this forum, whenever you wail and stomp your feet and demand details! DETAILS! Your reasons for wanting them are your own, but that doesn’t make you any less of a creepy little turd.

It's cute watching you try to hide it all under layers of ornate, flowery, foppish, purple prose. You must have attention diverted your way, despite having nothing whatsoever to add. Just in case anyone who hadn't already noticed what a wanker you are was in any doubt.
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Dootle, you do realize that I didn't ask Wes to bring any of this shit up, right?

You do realize that, according to her own reasoning, she pivoted to this issue in order to justify she and her husband being nasty to your sister whenever they feel like it, right?

I'd rather not even know about any of it! I liked it much better when Henry and your sister were friends.

And, I can't believe you're attacking me, instead of Wes.

Me of all people!!

And, now we have Wes saying this:

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This information wasn't for you specifically, so why should I have sent it to you?


As though she didn't string me along in precisely that direction, for the sole purpose of pasting what you don't like seeing all over the boards!

Dootle -- SHE'S THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP TO BEGIN WITH. I DIDN'T CARE A WHIT, NOR MENTION A WORD ABOUT HENRY. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW A THING ABOUT IT UNTIL SHE BROUGHT IT UP.
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And, to answer your question, Wessy....

Do you remember what I told you the last time that you claimed not to have said something when you actually did?

I spent a good deal of time going through the posts to find it, and when I did, I told you that all subsequent requests on your part would be met with a simple, shut the fuck up.

Do you remember that?

Well, as it turns out, I'm not in the mood for that kind of language at the moment, and I do happen to remember just a few of your....liberties...shall we say, with the truth.

There was that hilarious exchange several months ago with you and your husband...the one where you'd found yourselves "in a Chinese finger trap," as I'd put it.

Now, I can't recall what it was about -- and who could blame me, the product of your shit-talking and rumor-milling typically being so mind-numbingly stupid -- but, I do remember that you were both talking a bunch of shit that wasn't true.

And, I'm not looking it up. If you ask me to, I will give you my standard line.

What else...there was the now infamous incident of you telling Plague that you wouldn't post his photograph, and then, of course, you did. This one is probably the worst of your transgressions being that it happened in real life and not just online.

I recall your reasoning being, I'll be nasty to people unless I have a reason not to or something along those lines.

Incidentally, this is a popular line of reasoning around here, and it seems to me that people who employ it really don't have the right to be taken seriously when they complain about other people being nasty.

Oh, and there was that thing a while back where you went around telling people that I was Plague and I'd been trying to steal Staci away from Ergo, or whatever it was.

Hand on a bible, I actually found that one hilarious and quite entertaining the first three times that I heard it. But, when, six months later, after I'd naturally assumed that it must have died, I heard about it again, I have to say that it clued me in to how twisted you and your girlfriends are.

I'm positive that there are more, but I can't recall any at the moment.

So, is that enough "backing up" for you, Wessy?

Has it crept into your consciousness why I should have no reason to believe the kinds of allegations and accusations that you make about people?

I doubt it.
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Dude. You've lost the plot.
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No, I've taken myself out of that plot.

As requested.
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