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Topic Started: Dec 25 2008, 09:36 AM (1,513 Views)
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:clapping: I'm laying off the Jameson and sticking to the Bailey's. :lol:

Steva is a lovely egg and the instigation wasn't directed at me...

so, anyway -

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Back on topic, with some Japanese degeneracy. Judge for yourselves. (Notable scene: 0:37)

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You definitely need to watch it until 37s, keep watching for at least 1 minutes though. Genuinely disturbing.

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Did you catch the comment section? Haven't roared with laughter like that in ages. Looks like a congregation of moral degenerates from gaiaonline.com. Anime truly is a vector of cultural degeneracy.

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-_- fyi, i am a 13 year old girl. im not exactly a pedophile, i just think this anime is cute, funny, and has an edgy (and somewhat perverted way) of looking at things. nevertheless, its about as real as it gets when describing the thoughts of your average 9 year old. besides, alls fair in ecchi, am i wrong?! XD


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It's creepy, but since you are a 13 year old girl I guess you can watch it without the creepiness factor.


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This anime is not about pedophilia. If you'd actually watched it you'd see it's about emotions and trying to define what is actually " risque ". Also, no one in this anime is any " Age ". It's animated. Lines & ink


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Uh. I have to say that I am intrigued by this, though I'm not a fan of loli. At all. But I'll give it a chance.

Shit, I'd be all over this if it was shota. But, alas...


Reference to Shotacon: 'Shotacon, sometimes shortened to shota, is a Japanese slang portmanteau of the phrase Shōtarō complex and describes an attraction to young boys, or an individual with such an attraction.'

The youtube author of the video:

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Not sending a hate comment, you say? Well, "this is fucking sick" does sound like a hate comment, no matter how you look at it.
And oh, you're quite wrong about the story.

While it's true that Aoki doesn't care much about her at first, he does develop a certain affection towards her, yes, you could even call it love.

By the way, if you didn't notice it yet, you're completely mixing up anime with the real life. I , for one, love little girls in 2D while I'm not at all interested in real ones.


This one is priceless:

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I really am tired of people posting about how perverted and messed up this anime is. I feel that people tend to hate this show just because of it's content. I believe it's a funny anime and try to forget that the teacher and child are in love. Seriously, try to be a little adult.


Last one - summary of the show, more or less.
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Same here. It's bad enough we've got an 8-year-old going horny for an adult man and acting like a little whore, and an 8-year-old lesbian who dresses in various fetish outfits, but we've also got an 8-year-old with big boobs? And people say this show ISN'T made for pedophiles...
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I feel that people tend to hate this show just because of it's content


lol, surely a satirical quote but hilarious regardless. :D
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[thread hijack again]

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..yeh, what Morgue says.
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rofl

Here are a few more factoids:

- The writer of the show is a woman and she based the manga on her own unexpressed erotic desires from her childhood.
- She considers it a product of cross-cultural conflict that the show wasn't released in North-America.
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I'm undecided on this.

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She considers it a product of cross-cultural conflict that the show wasn't released in North-America.


She has a point - it is a cultural difference. North America is terrible for denouncing things as slutty and demoralizing, all the while accepting violence and war as just facts of life. Look at breastfeeding - God help the mother that doesn't cover herself up properly while nourishing a BABY. Breasts! Breasts are shameful things, nasty things, no one wants to see...oh, except in the best of movies.

Censors freaked out over Zach and Miri make a Porno, but Hostel and Saw movies just skip on by. Mutilation and torture of human beings? Absolutely fine. Sex between two unwed adults for the purpose of entertainment? Suddenly there's concern about the youth in America.

Do I think the cartoon is weird? It's a cartoon. It has no more truth to it than a pesky road runner that manages to outwit a cunning coyote - who manages to drop safes on his head and still walk away to make another murder attempt.

It's a fantasy, it's for entertainment. It doesn't increase rape and paedophilia as once predicted - quite the opposite.

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/p...hy_rape_jp.html

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Also the idea that anyone who would possess a cartoon like that MUST be a pedophile is ridiculous. It's an outrageous cartoon. Maybe the guy just kept it for a laugh, to show friends. The fact that he had it doesn't prove any ill intent against children in my book.
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The prevailing sentiment being that Lolicon/Shotacon anime is essentially a victimless crime and as such should be socially permissible? Despite the fact that it caters to an audience with a specific set of sexual appetites. Even were it to be placed in an age-restricted category - the media of choice here being comic books and animated cartoons - it would still find a cross-over audience with the anime/manga crowd, which includes juveniles. Anime/manga - traditionally defined as irresponsible, ambiguous, immature and full of contradictions, provides for an overarching framework in which to normalize and rationalize the content. Shows such as this focus on interpersonal dynamics rather than hyper-accentuated violence. As seen in the comment made by the 13 year old girl -- some of these Otaku-zombies even consider paedophiles to be a persecuted sexual minority. It should be banned on the grounds that children will be surely exposed to this material. Hell, it could even be used as grooming material. :dalekray:
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There's just no evidence that this stuff is harming anyone, Mock. In Japan, where it's more lenient on cartoons and anime containing these sorts of sexual connotations, as the population has surged and this stuff has become more readily available, sexual crimes and assaults on children has DECREASED.

There's absolutely no evidence that this type of fantasy cartoon is creating paedophiles or groomed, over-sexualized children.

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Rape within Japanese society is largely underreported, with the public attitude possessing a striking similarity with that of the rapist: the victim probably deserved it - creating a rape stigma. Law enforcement also tends to favor the strict definition of 'stranger rape', ignoring most other forms of rape, e.g. sexual molestation by a relative, colleague, teacher, etc.

Anyway, I never said that this material would 'create' paedophiles, I mentioned that it would skew the normative values of juveniles, allowing for a climate of tolerance and experimentation. And that it would be ideal grooming material. But foremost, that the material is unsuitable because it would filter through to a subculture consisting mainly out of pre-pubescents, pubescents and post-pubescents.
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Rape within Japanese society is largely underreported, with the public attitude possessing a striking similarity with that of the rapist: the victim probably deserved it - creating a rape stigma. Law enforcement also tends to favor the strict definition of 'stranger rape', ignoring most other forms of rape, e.g. sexual molestation by a relative, colleague, teacher, etc.



Proof of this assertion? Besides, rape is underreported in EVERY society. Rape in Japan is being reported more often, with the rate decreasing, as the population is ever increasing, as the amount of these types of porn and anime are becoming more available.

Your hysterical "it'll hurt the children!" stance is just completely unfounded.
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Hysterical? The main audience for manga/anime within Western society is typically the adolescent crowd. It used to be the post-adolescent crowd until the internet allowed for a more readily available distribution of content, mostly in the form of fan-translated copies.

It's obviously more pervasive in Japanese society and more easily accessible. Also, I do not agree with the conclusions of that paper of yours. Increased acceptance of pornography is a corollary of changing societal attitudes and cultural mores to sexuality. I believe the paper also mentions that rapists typically use pornographic material to fuel their desires. Can't recall.

Anyway, these are my sources. Had a peer-reviewed paper as well, but I had cleaned my browser history, heh.

Australian Institute Of Criminology - HTML version
Japan Today Article
Major Gaffe Senior Japanese Official - Rape General Attitude
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In your links, you have the PM saying this:

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Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said the remarks were inexcusable.

"He deserves to be criticised. Rape is an atrocious act of cowardice and has nothing to do with virile qualities," the leader told reporters.



Looks like Japan doesn't have a casual attitude towards rape at all.

Your links show that, even with the guestimate that 10 times as many rapes occur as there are reported, that there are significantly less rapes in Japan (where this type of anime is allowed) than the US and Canada. Despite the massive population.

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Also, I do not agree with the conclusions of that paper of yours.


Of course you don't - it proves you wrong.
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I believe one would categorize that as 'damage control' or 'mitigating the political fall-out' - given the party affiliation of the offending official and controversy surrounding Koizumi: rape allegations, policy & views on WWII 'comfort women' and the 'Rape Of Nanking' (-- the last two stirring up international controversy.)

The paper doesn't 'prove' anything, it attempts to establish a 'correlation', which is an ambiguous term, at best - and wraps things up with a 'discussion'.

Rape Debate In Japan is a nice article.

Also, paedophiles are in an entirely different category than 'rapists in general'. Were a paedophile to consummate his sexual desires (intercourse with a child) it would constitute rape, ipso facto. It doesn't even require coercion or violence, just the act itself.
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There was actually a series of movies in Japan about a superhero called Rape-man. He would go around raping women who behaved inappropriately.
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rofl, "The Rape Signal!"

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No explicit material though, just some lewd references.

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