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Canuckstan, Alone On The World; What Ethnicities Would You Choose?
Topic Started: Feb 21 2009, 06:14 PM (1,080 Views)
Pestiferous
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I don't think you grasp the school system here, Mock.

My son's classmates are about 60% white. I say that on a guess, because my son isn't 100% white, and anyone looking at him wouldn't be able to tell that. Being well-off makes no matter in a public school system because you don't have to pay for it. Since there isn't a univeristy preference between private schools here and public schools, there's no point in sending your kid to a private school unless it's always been tradition for your family to go there.

I understand in Britain that universities still have selection processes that involve private schools. That's outdated here, and of no factor.

So, many of the immigrant families that send their kids to schools like my son's, and Sword's son's, are filthy rich. It's more concentrated in the south and south west areas of the city, where I live, and where Sword sends her son to school.



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Feb 28 2009, 08:26 AM
Was going to say something about selecting the school based on its convenient location on your way to work, in jest, but it turns out that I wasn't so wrong after all. :lolly:

Anyway, so let me get this straight, based on the stereotypes that you've employed, I'm to assume that the student body consists mostly out of Asians? And you don't find this odd at all? These people aren't even socioeconomically deprived, these are middle to upper class 'brain gain' immigrants -- or so you've described. What extenuating circumstances they might have had for this unusual ethnocultural concentration went straight out the window when you revealed that they were well-off.

This statistical anomaly* in the public schooling system is the perfect example of self-segregation by a group of immigrants within a society modeled after the multicultural** template.

(*cough)
(**sociopolitical ideological construct where integration is a secondary priority)

How are you treated at teacher - parent conferences? Did you explain en passant to some of the parents why you had chosen this school?

What the fuck are you even trying to say with this:

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Was going to say something about selecting the school based on its convenient location on your way to work, in jest, but it turns out that I wasn't so wrong after all. :lolly:


My son is benefiting from having both of his parents actively in his life and spending time with him. I can't afford to live where I once did with my ex, and I certainly don't want the hassle of his attitude if he has to drive more than halfway when he has our son.

The school's populace has all ethnicities and races--not just asian. The area, for whatever reason, is one where newer immigrants tend to gravitate. Perhaps it is the draw of the University or the convienent shops everywhere where they can do business in their first language... I don't know and I certainly don't fucking care.

His teachers have always been caucasian in the school, as has the principal, and the Christmas concert celebrates about 10 or 15 different cultural holidays. The school prides itself on it's "face of the globe". All of the parents I see at parties, school functions etc are very interested in their child's education, friends, etc, and all of my son's closest friends are polite, kind, intellegent. Why on EARTH, would I ever want to expose my child to one "colour" of peer, when what really matters is the sum of their worth??

You're ignorant Mock. As deep as a puddle.
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Alright, I've finally managed to control my laughter fit. Give it your best shot.
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Why don't you make an actual point?
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Thanks for the link, Mock. I knew you were already paranoid and racist, but at least now I know why.
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I'll come back to this conversation tomorrow from my own perspective.


One thing I will say though is Sword's message at 28/2/09 - describing her area as ... "middle to upper class" - I have to say, genuinely, do you know what upper class is?

I am not, nor will I ever be, upper class - even if I win the lottery. Maybe you think this is a moveable feast in Canadia. It really isn't.
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I am not, nor will I ever be, upper class


What does that have to do with the area between Sword's house and her ex consisting of "middle to upper class immigrants"?

Oh god, are we going to be subjected to yet another one of your social class "if I'm HERE on the scale, you must be HERE" spiels?

Yay.
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I am not, nor will I ever be, upper class


What does that have to do with the area between Sword's house and her ex consisting of "middle to upper class immigrants"?

Oh god, are we going to be subjected to yet another one of your social class "if I'm HERE on the scale, you must be HERE" spiels?

Yay.

Swords mentioned class.

I would disagree with her identification of upper class, of course. I thought that was a key distinction. Anyway, let's ignore class, I think it makes things less pretentious.

Swords - Class makes both of us look educated and titled - which of course we aren't. We are both working class. Regardless of our efforts to escape it.
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Henry...

When did Sword mention her class? Here's the actual quote:

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My ex lives one place, me another... the area inbetween is simply a middle-to-upper-class immigrant concentration. The gravitational pull is completely voluntary (said for Mock's benefit), and is quite near one of our Universities.




Now, unless you've actually seen the neighbourhood between her ex's house, and Sword's house, how the fuck do you know what you're talking about?
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Re-read it in the morning Henry. I never mentioned which class I was in, just my perspective on an area in my city, which is geographically between my house and my ex's.
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Mar 1 2009, 01:14 AM
Henry...

When did Sword mention her class? Here's the actual quote:

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My ex lives one place, me another... the area inbetween is simply a middle-to-upper-class immigrant concentration. The gravitational pull is completely voluntary (said for Mock's benefit), and is quite near one of our Universities.




Now, unless you've actually seen the neighbourhood between her ex's house, and Sword's house, how the fuck do you know what you're talking about?

This is a dodge from the issue. Anyway...

We are actually talking about why your children are in schools with 3 white children and how you find that more than acceptable.

I would usually say "DISCUSS"

But I think we are already there. Be careful in doing what I would do and arguing that the race and beliefs of each child are irrelevant.

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Even mentioning middle and upper class is an acceptance of class - and some dejected pride in letting us all know.
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Assigning fictional motives is better than just admitting you read her post wrong?
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I'm just going to conject for a bit.

You live in an area no other white person thinks is hospitable.

Most white people live in a different place from you - because -
You live in the cheap seats.


There is nothing wrong with that.... Pest and Swords. We BOTH live in a poor area of town.

It's really awful.



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What are you talking about?

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I think he called the two of you white trash. I further think he's implying that if you live in a neighborhood in which white people are the minority, it is naturally less than desirable and made up of "lower class" people.

But that's just me.
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Feb 28 2009, 08:54 PM
Thanks for the link, Mock. I knew you were already paranoid and racist, but at least now I know why.

Racist, eh? The problems that these 'minority schools' face are grounded in reality not ideology. Even the relatively successful immigrant families tend to stay clear of these 'minority schools' -- saving up in order to move to a less hostile environment. It has something to do with a certain multi-lingual lexicon of the average schoolboy to describe the female gender. (Hint: payment is involved.)
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We are actually talking about why your children are in schools with 3 white children and how you find that more than acceptable.


First of all, I never said that.

In his classroom there are 3 white children. I've seen more than that in the school overall, but it's definitely a way more multi-cultural area than the one I actually live in... which brings me to....
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You live in an area no other white person thinks is hospitable.

Most white people live in a different place from you - because -
You live in the cheap seats.


There is nothing wrong with that.... Pest and Swords. We BOTH live in a poor area of town.


Henry, I don't think you are grasping, I don't actually live in the area my son goes to school. I live in a mostly white neighbourhood, which is low to middle class.

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I think he called the two of you white trash. I further think he's implying that if you live in a neighborhood in which white people are the minority, it is naturally less than desirable and made up of "lower class" people.

But that's just me.


Yup. That's exactly what he's saying, and he's quite wrong.

My neighbourhood, full of "whites" is lower-class in income, than the area in which my son goes to school, which is full of "non-whites".
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Even mentioning middle and upper class is an acceptance of class - and some dejected pride in letting us all know.

I have no pride in mentioning the class of the area in which I do not live, because I'm not mentioning the class in any relation to me. Don't you "get" that?

I simply mentioned the class of the area, to clear it up for the racists who will automatically assume that an area largely populated with immigrants, be one of low-class poor. It is not. The homes are bigger than I can currently afford and the parents are doctors, lawyers, business owners etc.

I make no commentary on why the area I speak of is as-it-is, because I don't know, but I mention it because I'd like you to have a clear picture of just how it is.
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