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Final Tribal Council
Topic Started: Dec 31 2013, 04:11 PM (191 Views)
Professor Oak
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Bruno
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I'd like to talk about perspectives on Sabrina, Lance, and Red. Sabrina in particular wasn't one much for pming with the Brunster, nor me with her, so any information will be grateful. This is not to persuade each other to vote a certain way, but for information and perspective purposes. Because of this format, it's difficult to tell what exactly has been going on at times, especially during the beginning phase at two tribes.

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Lorelei
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Just saying now that I'm kindof a stupid juror, and I made a promise early on that I would vote for Lance or Bruno if either made FTC, so it would be rather cold of me not to stick to that.
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Agatha
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I saw that coming tbh.

I dunno. I can think of good reasons to vote them all. Least likely to vote Red. Sabrina played the post merge quite well. Lance played the whole game with a very good measure.
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Lorelei
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Yeah, even if I was voting solely based on their gameplay, I would have a very small chance of voting Red, but Sabrina and Lance played great games in my opinion, so if Sabrina really impresses me with her FTC answers, I'm open to vote for her.
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Lt. Surge
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If I was basing my vote on game play, Red would not be getting my vote at all. I'm a bit disappointed with Lance's opening statement and was expecting more from him. On reconsideration, although I don't condone tactics such as voting someone else and letting others take blame for it, I must confess I think Sabrina's game post-merge and pre-merge was the best. And although I didn't like her tactics, it actually gave my team a reason to weed out the less committed players (Koga, Erika). Erika & Koga had little commitment to anyone on our team so I think weeding them out actually benefited the "Red" team because come merge we had the five of us unified and on the same page.

That is my input, but I will base my vote on whoever can do my challenge >=]. Since this isn't JUST a game of Survivor and the challenges play a huge role, I think it's only fitting the finale have a challenge of some sort. ^^

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Bruno
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I'm not a fan of Sabrina's speech or reasoning for why she got to the end and unfortunately this is most of what I have to go on. She couldn't bother to talk to me before and after merge beyond a sentence or two, and her reasoning for why she survived are the same ones for why I pushed her to go into the arena during my last duel. She says it was her social game which got her to the end, but nothing indicates that. She went up twice against her own will at merge, as did most everyone else except Red who did so pre-merge. She didn't have the social connections to stop it either time. If she lost, she would have been out. So that is complete bunk. The only things she has going for her are her random votes which may have caused paranoia, although I don't know how much that gained her on Blue Team, and that she won two arena matches which puts her on par with Red. Still a kudos to be had though.

From my perspective, it's clear that she didn't a) have a clear strategy to make it to the end. B) She has no idea how she made it to the end. At merge, she got to the end by winning duels. Clear and simple. Her saying it was because of her social game is wrong. This bugs me.

This is where if anyone has something to add to Sabrina's game play on Blue Team, this is the time to do it.

Lance had a more powerful pre-merge game, although his speech doesn't tell of why. There was one time he was a key vote between getting Agatha or Red out and he sided with Agatha based on her giving him her vote when V/LA. So he had some control on what happened on Red Team. I wouldn't credit him to being much of a strategic powerhouse then. I think that was more on Lorelei, Blue, Agatha and myself more so at times. Coming into merge, I wouldn't credit him to be wholly strategic as well, but I do believe he was more strategic than Sabrina whose main strat became "I was honest." Among all the reds at merge, I think he had the most wiggle room to do what he wanted if shit hit the fan. It was also obvious to me how he was pushing for Agatha and I to go up to protect himself as he believed he was a weak challenger and that
s partly why I was up for that.

So he was doing things to not go up. Obviously, along with Lorelei he wasn't wholly successful, but it's probably partly why he only went up once. I believe it was Surge who said Blue Team was thinking of sending Lorelei or Lance first and then Lance didn't go up for turns later when he probably reaalllly was a weak link challenge-wise.

Lance's weakness falls to being, how much was coincidental in that people for whatever reason thought Agatha was some ring leader (she wasn't, and she almost got voted out for both being Lance's voting pet early on he took something she said as a threat before that), and how much was his social game. Even him gaining Agatha's vote and having some power there is almost coincidental.

Barring his horrible speech, Red is interesting. It's plain to me that he has not been totally aware of the reasons for why he got voted in when he did. I even let on some of what was going on and somehow he forgot or something. He wasn't a big social player, but he also wasn't a non-existent social player. He was one of the first to pm me in the game and I liked him enough to push Agatha to go instead of him for his first duel. We also strategized together and pushed some of our votes which I think we personally wanted over what Lance and Agatha preferred, Sabrina in particular. So he wasn't just sitting on his ass doing nothing. He just wasn't outwardly social. He also was the only person to not go into a duel at merge. Unlike both Sabrina and Lance, he had a noticeable challenge game which made him intimidating to vote for, and unlike the credit Lance gives to himself, Red fits better in not being a target for being too weak or a leader which plagued the other two.

Problem with Red is similar to Lance. How much of it is consciously of his own doing and strategic? In merge, I purposely dropped all communication in an attempt to be more quickly pushed into the arena and play the game through duels instead of socially since it seemed pointless from where I stood with others. Did he attempt to do something like that or did he at the very least capitalize on what benefits he had going into merge? His lack of awareness at times, similar to Sabrina, is also a problem.
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Bruno
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Reading back on this, I realize how persuasivey this sounds which I don't mean it to be. Mostly getting stuff off my chest as I read their comments and to provide some insight on Lance and Red and what's going through my mind when I read what they're saying.

This game is weird because I don't know what to judge people on and what I usually would none of them actually qualify for. They all have been voted in beyond their own control. So none of them were any sort of social game masters. All of them have won duels, although Sabrina and Red have won twice which is ++ but that also means they went up more than Lance with is possibly ++ for him depending on if he engineered things toward that way.

Can people tell me how the random votes on blue team may have influenced them pre-merge? How much social power and influence did you perceive Sabrina as having pre-merge and merge and in the decision making concerning votes?
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Blaine
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As far as I am aware, Sabrina had no power with the Blues until Merge. She played the game exactly as she described it and remained very quite. So long as people were volunteering, she had no reason to try and push anyone or make decisions. She simply tagged along.

Her random voting worked to an extent. Several players were put off by us not being unified and decided to vote people who were not participating socially as much as the others. I still feel this was the wrong play because Sabrina herself was also socially inactive. Her plan could have nearly back fired if we started voting her in.

Post merge, she pushed votes on Agatha and Bruno picking up her game. Her post merge play was much better then her pre-merge.
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Lt. Surge
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Bruno, you should just host a mini-duel too to determine your vote ^^.
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