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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 20 2006, 11:39 AM (401 Views) | |
| hurricane | Oct 20 2006, 11:39 AM Post #1 |
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with unsworth now pulling out it could be possible for the 5 teams left to play each other 3 times at snooker billiards....someone will have to draw up an extra fixture list using free weeks afterxmas so that 4 extra matches can be fitted in per club.....this would give matches every week for those left....bit of hard work...but would give clubs better thurs nite...obviosly say libs 1st might play unsworth at home the 2nd team might play at church same night...... |
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| MarkP | Oct 20 2006, 02:14 PM Post #2 |
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It's a good idea and one that was discussed last season when you yourselves didn't have a second team billiards. Even if they were friendly matches or a separate challenge series, then I'm sure we could knock something together. When's the next league meeting? |
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| Middle_Bag_Man | Oct 20 2006, 07:19 PM Post #3 |
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im all for more games lets do it.
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| hotshot | Oct 21 2006, 03:52 PM Post #4 |
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There are 6 snooker teams and 5 billiard teams in the second division.This means each team plays a total of 18 matches. There are no free weeks in the fixture calendar.Two years ago, when a separate fixture list was drawn up for the weeks when the second teams had no matches, it was unsuccessful because these matches were just friendlies with nothing at stake and teams ignored them. Suggesting teams play each other three times is ludicrous as there are not enough weeks in the season. The fixtures for this season have to be adhered to as they are, and any changes must be discussed with a view to next season. |
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| Middle_Bag_Man | Oct 21 2006, 05:19 PM Post #5 |
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Sorry dad ! lol |
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| BZRK | Oct 22 2006, 02:17 PM Post #6 |
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Why dont you open the debate up to all in the league and ask if anybody can come up with ideas of how it could work, This season started at the beginning of September and its now the end of October and apart from one game that had to be cancelled we (Church) have played TWO competitive matches, is it any wonder that teams are finding it hard to get 2nd teams when this happens almost every year. I for one have sat and looked at fixtures and couldnt care less whether I played home or away as long as I played, ignoring the comments from others in the league isnt the way forward and could be conceived as bloody mindlessness and possibly ludicrous, myself and you have had this conversation countless amount of times before. Lets see what can be done before we do only end up with one division and the loss of some decent players, Especially players that win FOUR trophies as a 2nd team It may be an idea to advertise when the league meetings are and where they are held, it may sound like a strange comment but how many do actually know when and if they are held. |
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| hurricane | Oct 23 2006, 10:42 AM Post #7 |
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ACTUALLY its quite possible i spent 2 hours on sunday....should be avin a rest at my age.... BUT if the remainind 6 teams in the second division play each other 1 extra game after xmas on free thursdays i have compiled a fixture list which gives 5 extra games each on thurday nights for them filling the gaps....one or two matches will have to be on a tuesday....i.ll print this extra list tomorrow bit busy now .....will give all teams full fixtures... at end of season 2nd div will be league 3 games against each other at snooker and billiards will stay as 2 against each other |
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| BZRK | Oct 23 2006, 06:25 PM Post #8 |
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And as sad as it may sound I have also sat and derived a fixture schedule for the 2nd teams in both snooker and billiards and guess what, with a little thought it actually does fit in the season with the teams playing each other 3 times. Come on David lets see if we can do something for next season at least |
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| joehague | Oct 23 2006, 08:38 PM Post #9 |
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Its a shame that every few years we lose a club or a club cant field a 2nd team or in some cases struggle for a first team or people only want to play snooker and not billiards or vice versa.. for christs sake !! its a game, a night out. My thoughts are there are some clubs in the league who feel that as they never win anything and they feel one or two clubs always win every year that why should they bother... its a shame as this used to be a very good league where there were people fighting for their spot in the team and at the end of the year filling heaton park working mens club for the annual PXXX up and trophy giving. The Carlton hasnt won anything for a few years and we arent bad players as far as handicaps go, but we still like most represent the club and the league every week. We need to entice new blood to the clubs like say the libs have and have a quite formidable team.. Come on chaps.... go out to win, or get a pint if you lose.... winner all round Deeply ! :lol: |
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| hurricane | Oct 24 2006, 10:34 AM Post #10 |
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ok......teams in 2nd division snooker to play each other a third time in the free weeks.......starting JAN 2007 they will play a total of 15 matches at snooker but only same 8 billiard games although it would be possible to play extra these before xmas....we have 2 months to check these fixtures PRINT THEM for team captains for january FIXTURES EXTRA snooker div2 THURS 4 JAN stuts v crumpsall THURS 4 JAN carlton v whitefield TUE 16 JAN carlton v stute THURS 1 FEB crump v prescons TUE 6 FEB libs v carlton TUE 6 feb prescons v stute THURS 8 feb stute v whitefield THURS 15 feb stute v libs THURS 15 feb whitefield v crumpsall TUE 20 feb prescons v whitefield stute v crumpsall THURS 8 mar crump v carlton TUE 20 mar libs v prescons THURS 29 march carlton v pres cons THUR 12 april prescons v libs |
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| hurricane | Oct 24 2006, 10:59 AM Post #11 |
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wish i could type 20 feb is libs v crumpsall THURS and libs v whitefield 22febTHURS 12 april pcons v libsTHURS anyway it does work next season if play extra billiards second teams will play 27 total matches only one less than first division |
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| MarkP | Oct 24 2006, 12:58 PM Post #12 |
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Fantastic effort Dave. I'm sure we could fit them in and no doubt everyone in the second teams would look forward to it. I think this should be raised at the next league meeting and voted on. As second team captain at Church Institute, I can safely say that my team will be up for it. I'm also happy to work on an enhanced set of fixtures for next season for the second divisions so that we can fit them all in and minimise the Tuesdays. |
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| MarkP | Oct 25 2006, 01:16 PM Post #13 |
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I feel the need to add to this. There is a genuine desire, having spoken to members of two other clubs, to get more fixtures for the second team, as per the list Dave Wright has suggested. Prestwich Cons, Church Institute, Prestwich Libs, Whitefield Cons are all up for this. No doubt the Crumpsall Cons lads will want more games too with having no billiards team. I don't know how the Carlton lads feel, but perhaps Deeply Dippy could ask them? This isn't an attempt to usurp David Darlington's sterling efforts in running the league, this is an attempt to keep the Second Divisions going. There needs to be no extra prize money made available - all snooker teams would simply play five extra fixtures between now and the end of the season. Let's face it, it's not like bowling greens where home advantage is important, we simply want to play. It was tried a few years ago because there were extra fixtures put in as friendlies. Just like the England football team, nobody gives a toss about friendlies, but you suddenly have to win 15 games to guarantee the league averages rather than 10 and it feels like a much greater achievement. In the second team, we currently play 8 billiards matches and 10 snooker matches a season. The first teams play 14 of each - that's 10 more games than we play. With the extra 9 games, we'll be playing 27 games in total a season and there will be no pressure on the likes of HPSC and Crumpsall to get a second team out. David, I think this needs urgent discussion -we're in danger of losing the second division entirely next year if this carries on. For the sake of getting the second team captains (or an appropriate delegate) together for an hour or so one Tuesday, I'm more than happy to co-ordinate the fixture list so that we fit in round team and individual knockouts and first team fixtures. As Dave Wright has shown, it won't be difficult. |
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| gorton loco | Oct 25 2006, 08:41 PM Post #14 |
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TOMORROW NEVER COMES....lets sort these extra games now for jan....we can stiil field a snooker team just need a list of matches ...WHATS THE POINT OF HAVING 6 WEEKS with no games....its no wonder we go elsewhere for a game of snooker |
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| MarkP | Oct 26 2006, 12:14 PM Post #15 |
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If only it were that easy - it needs ratifying by the league, i.e. David Darlington, hence my in-depth explanation for him. I'll speak to him about it tonight. |
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| hotshot | Oct 27 2006, 02:37 PM Post #16 |
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Well its obvious that David Wright and Mark prosser will be candidates for the league secs job etc at the seasons end. The situation within the second division concerns me to. What people should be aware of is that the number of teams participating in the league is never known until the season starts even the clubs arent sure. So the fixture list is drawn up assuming a full team list for both divisions.This season started with 7 snooker teams and 6 billiard teams in the second division an improvement on last season unfortunately uns south late withdrawal leaves us as per last season. Drawing up new fixture lists for every eventuality is hard work. I have looked at the proposed format and whilst not wanting to be negative note four tuesday evenings are involved when rounds of the individual competitions will be taking place,these would obviously take priority. The league meetings take place as the fixture book states first monday evening in each month at the stute,the next one is on Monday 6th November 8.0pm. So if a discussion is wanted over the second division issue please turn up and we can have one face to face and hopefully sort it to everybody,s satisfaction. |
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| MarkP | Oct 27 2006, 06:27 PM Post #17 |
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Next Monday is fine. I think David Wright's fixtures were for illustrative purposes, but as you say, David, it will certainly be better to talk it through at a meeting. |
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