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Azula Quest; A princess is you?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM (38,733 Views)
Chibi-Reaper
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I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from.

Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course.

Story Alone, right from post numero uno.

Azula.

15 years old.

Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC

Master Firebender [23/6]
-"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???]
-"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???]
-"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???]
-"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???]
--"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???]
-"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???]
-"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???]
-"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???]
-"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X]
-"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???]
-"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???]
-"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?]
Air Bender [4/?]
-"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???]
--"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???]
--"???" Electro-Net. [1/???]
Advanced Etiquette [2/2?]
Spiritualism [3/3?]
Leadership [6/???]
Politics [6/???]
"Agressive Self Defense" [3/???]
-Unpleasant Surprises [2/?]
Strategy [4/???]
Logistics [2/???]
Second Child Arts [1/???]
Somewhat Cultured [4/???]
Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???]

Creepy child.
Praise the Sun.
Fire Good.
... Jealous. So jealous.
Once burned, twice....?
Tea-sipper.
Ruby Butterfly.
Divine Right of Kings?
Cap'n Jin.
Toph Customer, or some other pun.
Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy.
Lotus Initiate.
Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much.
Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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Destiny is the spirits' plan. Which spirits, we don't know.

We can't rely on it. The destiny spirit's aren't here.

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[X] "You will take no body born from my womb. If it is a boon you desire, I would entertain the thought of arranging another person to have a binding similar to what we share. You will not speak to or tempt them. You will not grant further bargains. But you will have another mortal lifetime with which to gain more power."

[X] "No, this is not the promise of another body. This is the promise to look for a suitable candidate. You will have only a chance to gain another binding and continue to regain power. But then, that is what you offer to give Zuko, is it not? A better chance. When you give your power to me, a portion will be denied to you. By giving the portion to Zuko, you may have a chance to further recoup your loses instead of losing it without recompense."

[X] "Here is what I offer: I will allow you to offer your binding to one person, and you shall have only one attempt. This person must be someone I approve of and I must consent to put forth your offer. If I find the person unsuitable, you must find another. If I find them suitable, I will make the offer at an appropriate time. If they refuse, your have lost your chance. If they consent, you gain another binding and chance to grow stronger. But you will not seek another binding, or body to possess."
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Feb 8 2013, 04:14 PM
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Feb 8 2013, 04:08 PM
He's still not just going to up and die for no good reason though, if what you guys were saying was true, Toph would already be out of the picture. Since there's no way she'd be against us unless we pulled a 180 at this point.
All I'm saying is that his plot armour is either weakening or gone. He's not going to suddenly drop dead for no reason, but at the same time he isn't necessarily going to miraculously win or survive fights he shouldn't any more. As for Toph, the only fights she's been in since we picked her up have been ones where her opponent(s) were massively outclassed.
You miss the part where she was included in the chains of destiny conversation, and is progressing at a beyond prodigious rate of growth? I'm not talking about just the fights. If she was cut off from the destiny thing, those wouldn't be happening either. Just like it's happening with Zuko still.
Edited by Redon, Feb 8 2013, 04:36 PM.
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I think you guys aren't thinking far enough outside the box.

Here are some more alternatives to try, individually or in combination.

*We are required to bend ourselves to exhaustion (fire only, no lightning) every day from now until the eclipse. That'll give the fairy some extra energy at our expense, though maybe not enough to be worthwhile. Maybe Zuko has to agree to tie his bending to the fairy for a duration/permanently in order to receive the power.

*Beginning several (to be determined) days after we get out of the spirit world, the fairy gets a full week in control of Azula. This week is not allowed to permanently change Azula, and we'll spend the several days getting ourselves firmly ensconced into a dungeon somewhere. Or, if we think that'll piss off the fairy to an unacceptable degree, make staying in a specific room explicitly part of the deal with the understanding that any object the fairy desires (food, musical instruments, alcohol, drugs, but not people or, uh, anything that breaks forum rules) will be provided.

*On our ascension to the throne, there will be a nationally recognized annual fairy day.

*Once per week, the fairy gets to choose a dish and Azula will be obliged to eat it.

*Azula has to spend the next month at the Fire Fountain City fair, doing everything.

*Azula has to use her wings to take up skydiving for some period of time.

There really are a lot of options both in terms of offering the fairy additional power or just straight-up hedonism.
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Feb 8 2013, 04:39 PM
I think you guys aren't thinking far enough outside the box.

Here are some more alternatives to try, individually or in combination.

*We are required to bend ourselves to exhaustion (fire only, no lightning) every day from now until the eclipse. That'll give the fairy some extra energy at our expense, though maybe not enough to be worthwhile. Maybe Zuko has to agree to tie his bending to the fairy for a duration/permanently in order to receive the power.

*Beginning several (to be determined) days after we get out of the spirit world, the fairy gets a full week in control of Azula. This week is not allowed to permanently change Azula, and we'll spend the several days getting ourselves firmly ensconced into a dungeon somewhere. Or, if we think that'll piss off the fairy to an unacceptable degree, make staying in a specific room explicitly part of the deal with the understanding that any object the fairy desires (food, musical instruments, alcohol, drugs, but not people or, uh, anything that breaks forum rules) will be provided.

*On our ascension to the throne, there will be a nationally recognized annual fairy day.

*Once per week, the fairy gets to choose a dish and Azula will be obliged to eat it.

*Azula has to spend the next month at the Fire Fountain City fair, doing everything.

*Azula has to use her wings to take up skydiving for some period of time.

There really are a lot of options both in terms of offering the fairy additional power or just straight-up hedonism.
Bend to exhaustion- too vague a term, and leaves us vulnerable to possible attack.

Weeks control over Azula- possible, but should definitely not be a first option, and may run into issues with our original deal (no possession).

Annual fairy day- doubt she'd care about this, but doable.

Choosing food- 'I want human eyes coated in leopard-cow dung, served with a glass of fresh dragon's blood'.

Fire fountain fair- we have responsibilities and might be required to fulfil them, and what if a crisis hits?

Skydiving- why would this interest her?
Edited by NSMS, Feb 8 2013, 04:50 PM.
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The skydiving and bending to exhaustion are the only ones of those that might possibly be considered.
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Feb 8 2013, 04:54 PM
The skydiving and bending to exhaustion are the only ones of those that might possibly be considered.
And even those should be thrown off the table because, what happens if we FAIL to do this for some reason?

We probably get hit by a penalty clause and bodyjacking.
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Re: Iroh would not have bargained for Azulon's life.

Absolutely true.

But what you're looking at is Azula's perspective, where azulon was The Most Important Person. From everyone else.... I don't really have to exaggerate to say that you were the only person who really.... liked, even, the old guy. Say he was a dick would be an understatement.

Sure, he liked his warmongering son, Iroh. But that was not really... reciprocated, totally? Iroh didn't hate the guy, sure. But he wasn't going to stick his neck out for him, and deal with spirits. Sages basically considered Azulon as the huge bag of dicks he kind of was. They do their job, but small error like that...? Oh well. The guy has heirs, and it's not like he's going to die tonight.

A better question would have been 'What would Iroh have done if his wife, or Lu Ten had been in Azulon's situation?'
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We'll put her on the flag!

Does the Fire Nation have one of those? If not, we should start.
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Feb 8 2013, 04:49 PM
Bend to exhaustion- too vague a term, and leaves us vulnerable to possible attack.

Weeks control over Azula- possible, but should definitely not be a first option, and may run into issues with our original deal (no possession).

Annual fairy day- doubt she'd care about this, but doable.

Choosing food- 'I want human eyes coated in leopard-cow dung, served with a glass of fresh dragon's blood'.

Fire fountain fair- we have responsibilities and might be required to fulfil them, and what if a crisis hits?

Skydiving- why would this interest her?
I'm pretty much assuming that a consequence of us being unavailable for other duties for a period of time (see points 1, 2, and 5) might just be the cost of doing business. That is, it becomes part of the cleanup of the current crisis and if that leaves us unavailable for a subsequent crisis, well, that's unfortunate.

*I'll agree that exhaustion is vague, but we can haggle over that detail. Why would we be vulnerable to attack in the middle of a palace surrounded by all our friends and ninja maids? Also, it obliges us to practice our bending constantly so we also get a few additional levels out of it.

*We'd need to make sure it doesn't conflict with or invalidate our original deal. For that matter, that applies to every idea that's been floated so far.

*Don't spirits also get power from worship? A nationwide holiday with her name on it is bound to get her some additional power. That was my reasoning, anyway.

*We'd have to specify that it would need to be something available (no dragon's blood) and without spiritual consequences (no human anything). The possibility of having to eat a few plates of poop is an unfortunate one, but I bet we can distract the fairy with Thermonuclear Curry or similar. We'd also need to specify that the food can't be toxic.

*Again, if another crisis hits, that's just too bad. We'd be sitting it out.

*Going up as high as we can and then freefalling as far as we can is a novel experience, and the fairy is all about those.
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No letting Fairy control Azula for any length of time.
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Re: Destiny.

People are assuming that destiny spirits and what have you can make lots of changes, when I've already said otherwise.

In point of fact, they can only make tiny alterations, to things that they think should lead up to the desired outcome.

'This person has great power and talent, from birth'
'This person will learn to heal the first time they try with river water'
'This person will be average, with flaws, until the time comes that they can match a prodigy'
'These people will meet, and their meeting will be important'

However. They can't pull all the strings, all the time. This whole 'human free will' thing gives them enormous headaches. Someone might be talented, but choose to pursue other areas. Maybe that person is a healing prodigy, but is only interested in fighting. Maybe the average guy never wants to try to match the prodigy they're pitting him against. Or maybe those people will meet, but instead of becoming friends as assumed, someone makes a comment that another takes offense to, and they become bitter enemies instead.

Sometimes, things just don't work out the way Destiny thinks it should.
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Feb 8 2013, 04:59 PM
Glancing through.

Re: Iroh would not have bargained for Azulon's life.

Absolutely true.

But what you're looking at is Azula's perspective, where azulon was The Most Important Person. From everyone else.... I don't really have to exaggerate to say that you were the only person who really.... liked, even, the old guy. Say he was a dick would be an understatement.

Sure, he liked his warmongering son, Iroh. But that was not really... reciprocated, totally? Iroh didn't hate the guy, sure. But he wasn't going to stick his neck out for him, and deal with spirits. Sages basically considered Azulon as the huge bag of dicks he kind of was. They do their job, but small error like that...? Oh well. The guy has heirs, and it's not like he's going to die tonight.

A better question would have been 'What would Iroh have done if his wife, or Lu Ten had been in Azulon's situation?'
I'd Say. Bite the Bullet and go "I got the money and resources. And a free month. You want the sensation? Let's get some hookers and blow and do this shit." or "So raise another kid? To save my kids and wife... Okay let's lay down the ground rules of you being my daughter young lady.. " Or Ancestral bending contract get." Or " I will make a bonfires for you out of my worst enemies and trespassing subordinates as they come up with security checks x, y, and z." or " Chin Village Kinda Sucks like a bag of Dicks maybe we can lava?"

Nah that last one might be a bit too far.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:09 PM
Also.

Re: Destiny.

People are assuming that destiny spirits and what have you can make lots of changes, when I've already said otherwise.

In point of fact, they can only make tiny alterations, to things that they think should lead up to the desired outcome.

'This person has great power and talent, from birth'
'This person will learn to heal the first time they try with river water'
'This person will be average, with flaws, until the time comes that they can match a prodigy'
'These people will meet, and their meeting will be important'

However. They can't pull all the strings, all the time. This whole 'human free will' thing gives them enormous headaches. Someone might be talented, but choose to pursue other areas. Maybe that person is a healing prodigy, but is only interested in fighting. Maybe the average guy never wants to try to match the prodigy they're pitting him against. Or maybe those people will meet, but instead of becoming friends as assumed, someone makes a comment that another takes offense to, and they become bitter enemies instead.

Sometimes, things just don't work out the way Destiny thinks it should.
So Zuko, Katara, Zuko, Toph?


And you're basically saying the plot armor be thing your rolling D100 with a D90 DC for survival?
Edited by Larekko12, Feb 8 2013, 05:15 PM.
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We could offer to help her get a new area. After all, she lost the one she had after the avatar mess, and her current one s heavily policed by the fire sages.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:16 PM
We could offer to help her get a new area. After all, she lost the one she had after the avatar mess, and her current one s heavily policed by the fire sages.
So find another Sweet Volcano Kill any and all spirit old enough to own a fucking volcano and install her as ruler? Sounds legit.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:12 PM
I'd Say. Bite the Bullet and go "I got the money and resources. And a free month. You want the sensation? Let's get some hookers and blow and do this shit." or "So raise another kid? To save my kids and wife... Okay let's lay down the ground rules of you being my daughter young lady.. " Or Ancestral bending contract get." Or " I will make a bonfires for you out of my worst enemies and trespassing subordinates as they come up with security checks x, y, and z." or " Chin Village Kinda Sucks like a bag of Dicks maybe we can lava?"

Nah that last one might be a bit too far.


Actually, I think that destroying Chin Village is preferable to Hookers and Blow myself.

For one thing, everyone would love our killing off Chin, but people might not be happy that we're snorting not-crack.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:09 PM
Also.

Re: Destiny.

People are assuming that destiny spirits and what have you can make lots of changes, when I've already said otherwise.

In point of fact, they can only make tiny alterations, to things that they think should lead up to the desired outcome.

'This person has great power and talent, from birth'
'This person will learn to heal the first time they try with river water'
'This person will be average, with flaws, until the time comes that they can match a prodigy'
'These people will meet, and their meeting will be important'

However. They can't pull all the strings, all the time. This whole 'human free will' thing gives them enormous headaches. Someone might be talented, but choose to pursue other areas. Maybe that person is a healing prodigy, but is only interested in fighting. Maybe the average guy never wants to try to match the prodigy they're pitting him against. Or maybe those people will meet, but instead of becoming friends as assumed, someone makes a comment that another takes offense to, and they become bitter enemies instead.

Sometimes, things just don't work out the way Destiny thinks it should.
So what have the manipulative bastards spirits of destiny decreed for us? (things that have happened, obviously, not things still in the future)
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I wonder what Iroh thinks every time Azula talks about or mentions Azulon.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:18 PM
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Feb 8 2013, 05:16 PM
We could offer to help her get a new area. After all, she lost the one she had after the avatar mess, and her current one s heavily policed by the fire sages.
So find another Sweet Volcano Kill any and all spirit old enough to own a fucking volcano and install her as ruler? Sounds legit.
Or turn old man of the mountain's mountain into a volcano.

[x] plan Hymn of Ragnarok
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Feb 8 2013, 05:21 PM
I wonder what Iroh thinks every time Azula talks about or mentions Azulon.

Pick one:
'I hope she never learns what he was really like.'
'I told father that using Divine Right on a baby was a bad idea, but noooo, it was 'an experiment'.'
'I suppose there are worse things she could be obsessed with.'
'Keep a straight face. Must keep a straight face.'
Edited by NSMS, Feb 8 2013, 05:26 PM.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:09 PM
Also.

Re: Destiny.

People are assuming that destiny spirits and what have you can make lots of changes, when I've already said otherwise.

In point of fact, they can only make tiny alterations, to things that they think should lead up to the desired outcome.

'This person has great power and talent, from birth'
'This person will learn to heal the first time they try with river water'
'This person will be average, with flaws, until the time comes that they can match a prodigy'
'These people will meet, and their meeting will be important'

However. They can't pull all the strings, all the time. This whole 'human free will' thing gives them enormous headaches. Someone might be talented, but choose to pursue other areas. Maybe that person is a healing prodigy, but is only interested in fighting. Maybe the average guy never wants to try to match the prodigy they're pitting him against. Or maybe those people will meet, but instead of becoming friends as assumed, someone makes a comment that another takes offense to, and they become bitter enemies instead.

Sometimes, things just don't work out the way Destiny thinks it should.
So what have the manipulative bastards spirits of destiny decreed for us? (things that have happened, obviously, not things still in the future)
Be a super prodigy with dragon blood. Clash with Zukes. Become the villain due to dragon blood and abandonment issues. Have shit teachers that make you give in to dragon blood. Have a bunch a bad role models. Have the one good role model get a Heroic blue screen of death. Have your mother not have any testicular fortitude and abandon you instead of picking you up and giving you a spanking. Things like that.
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Also, concerning my plan? We could start as low as, "You get to pick out one person for the chance for me to judge if they're suitable. If I agree, I ask at the appropriate time. I disagree, chance blown. Person refuses, chance blown. Person agrees, another binding. I suggest you make your choice wisely."

With the intention of haggling up from there. I'd never give her more bindings than one, but if we can block anyone candidates that we don't like or can be trusted to remain silent, then we can keep the Butterfly pretty firmly in check, I imagine.

Hopefully Chibi will provide from feedback on my chance of chance idea and point out any flaws, particularly flaws Azula should be all rights recognize. But nice if we could do this right.
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Oh look, I take a nap and five more pages spring up. If I was ever worried this was Chibi-Reaper, those worries are assuaged. I'm still pretty firmly of the opinion that we ignore any deals. Mental/Physical/Spiritual distortion may be dealt with. But bargaining with a spirit? I just feel as if we do were ultimately screwed. No matter how clever we may find ourselves.

I don't know, I might be overestimating the spirits, but it's still a millennia old being correct? And so I just don't feel confident we can outwit her.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:31 PM
Also, concerning my plan? We could start as low as, "You get to pick out one person for the chance for me to judge if they're suitable. If I agree, I ask at the appropriate time. I disagree, chance blown. Person refuses, chance blown. Person agrees, another binding. I suggest you make your choice wisely."

With the intention of haggling up from there. I'd never give her more bindings than one, but if we can block anyone candidates that we don't like or can be trusted to remain silent, then we can keep the Butterfly pretty firmly in check, I imagine.

Hopefully Chibi will provide from feedback on my chance of chance idea and point out any flaws, particularly flaws Azula should be all rights recognize. But nice if we could do this right.
I think you should ask if you were in her situation would you consider what your counter offering as horribly horribly underbidding? Like insultingly so?
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I wonder what Iroh thinks every time Azula talks about or mentions Azulon.

Pick one:
'I hope she never learns what he was really like.'
'I told father that using Divine Right on a baby was a bad idea, but noooo, it was 'an experiment'.'
'I suppose there are worse things she could be obsessed with.'
'Keep a straight face. Must keep a straight face.'
Where is my "like" button?
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Feb 8 2013, 05:47 PM
I think you should ask if you were in her situation would you consider what your counter offering as horribly horribly underbidding? Like insultingly so?
I think her starting offer was insultingly high, so I'd say we're even if that's the case.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:46 PM
Oh look, I take a nap and five more pages spring up. I'm still pretty firmly of the opinion that we ignore any deals. Mental/Physical/Spiritual distortion may be dealt with. But bargaining with a spirit? I just feel as if we do were ultimately screwed. No matter how clever we may find ourselves.

I don't know, I might be overestimating the spirits, but it's still a millennia old being correct? And so I just don't feel confident we can outwit her.
We already have a sweet deal and a rather amiable working relationship. Oh and Zuko's stuck out there you twit without a shred of plot armor and theres little prognosis to say that coming out only having lost an arm is not a best case scenario. And we don't have to fucking outwit he but come to an acceptable and closed agreement with a line of succession planned
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Feb 8 2013, 05:50 PM
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Oh look, I take a nap and five more pages spring up. I'm still pretty firmly of the opinion that we ignore any deals. Mental/Physical/Spiritual distortion may be dealt with. But bargaining with a spirit? I just feel as if we do were ultimately screwed. No matter how clever we may find ourselves.

I don't know, I might be overestimating the spirits, but it's still a millennia old being correct? And so I just don't feel confident we can outwit her.
We already have a sweet deal and a rather amiable working relationship. Oh and Zuko's stuck out there you twit without a shred of plot armor and theres little prognosis to say that coming out only having lost an arm is not a best case scenario. And we don't have to fucking outwit he but come to an acceptable and closed agreement with a line of succession planned
Twit? Most of your post in Italics? Honestly...

Well, whatever. I will say though, even if I do agree to the whole making a deal plan, we don't give her a body. Period.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:50 PM
We already have a sweet deal and a rather amiable working relationship. Oh and Zuko's stuck out there you twit without a shred of plot armor and theres little prognosis to say that coming out only having lost an arm is not a best case scenario. And we don't have to fucking outwit he but come to an acceptable and closed agreement with a line of succession planned
If by the 'line of succession planned' bit you mean you're in favour of offering her a body, then bare in mind just how badly that could end up: (1) usual spirit in mortal flesh issues, (2) any kind of deal intended to restrict her behavior would inevitably have exploitable loopholes, (3) fire sages will try to burninate us, (4) PR problems from having Navi as a daughter (whether or not her true nature is publicly known), (5) reactions of Zuko, Iroh, etc.

If you aren't in favour, then I apologise, but it was unclear from your post.
Edited by NSMS, Feb 8 2013, 06:00 PM.
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Reread the posts.

Sounds to me like A. we eat Navi, or B. we take her energy, or C. we take her energy and excess goes to Zuko.

I am laboring under the impression that Navi is willing to do A and B to survive. We have a contract, and even if the power returned to her in B is diminished, she will still do it to survive and without asking a price. It's sending power to Zuko, she wants a favor for.

If we need to pay a price for B to be open, I hope Chibi will clarify this.
Edited by Hymn of Ragnarok, Feb 8 2013, 05:59 PM.
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[x] Further hashing of details.

"I could build you a shrine." you suggest.

"Peh. Wood and stone markers. A shrine, I already have. You have seen it."

"... Not that sort of a shrine." You correct, recalling the lump of carved stone. "More of... a small temple. You should know that the Fire Sages will not appreciate further bargains with you in any case, and they-"

"Think you that I have not walked, before, brushing shoulders with even the most spiritually adept of men? There is much which is concealed by flesh. They think that such a thing would be obvious. Only if I were fool enough to make it so, before my power had grown enough to defend myself. In any case, I have no need nor desire for such a thing."

.... well, that's one reasonable argument for denying her, shot.

"... I will offer you similar to your own offer, a chance, for a chance."

"A body for a life is what I offer." The fairy corrects. "Spirits of shadow and night and fear are... most vulnerable to heat and flame and fury. My power will ensure that your beloved one escapes the darkest depths and returns to where the light of Agni may shine a little brighter, and guide his path to escape. Chance enters not into matters. Upon that gift, the survival of thy loved one to escape from his current peril is guaranteed, may my fires gutter out and die if I say falsely."

.... You are given pause. She seems very certain of that. Enough, at least, to wager her own existence on it.

".... I will offer you the opportunity, before I die, to offer the binding we now share to another, agreed between us both. One offer. If they refuse, there will be no other." You press on.

"I reject this offer." The fairy says flatly, crossing her arms. "It is as I have said, my power is a surety. A certainty. I will not offer a certain thing against an uncertain possibility."

Your teeth grind.

"I have learned some little of mankind during my time walking among you. I am eager. But I will not be so desperate as to agree to an offer which can easily bring nothing to me." She continues. "..... I will not be born first of your womb. Second, instead."

You take a moment to consider.

"... I will offer those born of my line the opportunity to form a compact with you, to draw upon your flames and empower you as they do Agni, as you watch and feel through them, but do not speak or attempt to take any bodies for your own, or make any deals other than this."

The fairy closes her eyes, seeming to deeply consider the offer. Then she opens them.

"I will be thy seventh child." she counter-offers, slight grin present. "And your word I will have, that you will bear six children before me."

You have to stop to consider this.

If you have seven children, the youngest is almost certainly going to have no chance for the throne, with six elder siblings.

Six.... Ty Lee has six elder sisters. There is something different about her, that she can see Auras, where none of her siblings, nobody else you have ever met, can say the same.

There is something important about being a seventh child. Something that the fairy considers almost as good as being the first or second in line to inherit the entire world after you.

You balk, a little.

"No." You say, flatly. And think for other ideas. Unfortunately, few readily come.

.... There is no way you are going to offer for her to be born a dragon. Which reminds you of further clarification and conditions.

"Third human child. After the elder two are determined healthy and are assured to live to childhood. Should one miscarry, or simply fail to survive infancy, as they sometimes do, then another human child will be born until there are two healthy children before you."

The fairy is nodding, eagerly. But you hold up your hand and contnue.

"You will not, at any time, be eligible for the throne." You say, flatly. "And if you desire to walk in the world of men? You will act as a human, and not as a spirit in human form. You will obey the laws of humans, and you will listen and heed all of my commands and instruction. You will not, under any circumstances, reveal yourself to be what you are, any more than a normal child. Further, your mortal body will die after a span of... no more than eighty years, or until I myself die, whichever comes first, and you will return to as you were before."

The fairy is scowling, now, at all the restrictions. But still considering.

"Last." She says, after a few long and uncomfortable moments. "Until eighty years from my birth, or your own death... whichever comes last. With that correction, your terms are.... acceptable." She finishes, grudgingly.

You don't see that that is a big issue. If you live less than eighty years, after, then there is still a fixed time limit, and if you live longer, then she still dies at the moment you do, and there will be no risk of people trying to make her inherit. In any case, with your commands unquestionable, there should be no chance of her getting up to the sort of casual atrocities she displayed without need.

Of course, there is always a chance to vent such impulses, in war or the hunting of brigands. And so long as any mischief gotten up to is legitimately childish and excusable...

You steeple your fingers, considering, and try not to think of how Zuko is currently faring.

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Feb 8 2013, 05:12 PM
I'd Say. Bite the Bullet and go "I got the money and resources. And a free month. You want the sensation? Let's get some hookers and blow and do this shit." or "So raise another kid? To save my kids and wife... Okay let's lay down the ground rules of you being my daughter young lady.. " Or Ancestral bending contract get." Or " I will make a bonfires for you out of my worst enemies and trespassing subordinates as they come up with security checks x, y, and z." or " Chin Village Kinda Sucks like a bag of Dicks maybe we can lava?"

Nah that last one might be a bit too far.


Actually, I think that destroying Chin Village is preferable to Hookers and Blow myself.

For one thing, everyone would love our killing off Chin, but people might not be happy that we're snorting not-crack.
Honestly? Given the climate, I'd vote for 'wipe Chin village off the map' before I'd vote for hookers. Or consensual sex. Or anything involving our girlbits.
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Hmm... I'm somewhat leary of taking this deal. But it does close off all the obvious avenues for problems. We definitely need to think on this.
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So what is the actual agreement? Is the descendants using her fires a thing?
Can we include a bargain for information in here somewhere?
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Feb 8 2013, 05:46 PM
I don't know, I might be overestimating the spirits, but it's still a millennia old being correct? And so I just don't feel confident we can outwit her.
A millennia old being with the attention span of a gnat.
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Hmm... I'm somewhat leary of taking this deal. But it does close off all the obvious avenues for problems. We definitely need to think on this.
Bit of a timelimit, here.

Zuko, and all.

I say
[X] Go for it

If we want to be rules lawyers, I don't believe she specified that we HAVE to have 2 kids in this deal, unlike with the 7th kid deal. But really, I'm okay with it either way.
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...I'm still against that, if only because I really, really don't want her to have any freedom to plot.

But if there is no other option... I suppose I would be amicable.
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Hmm... I'm somewhat leary of taking this deal. But it does close off all the obvious avenues for problems. We definitely need to think on this.
Bit of a timelimit, here.

Zuko, and all.
I meant us in the thread, not us IC.
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I don't know, I might be overestimating the spirits, but it's still a millennia old being correct? And so I just don't feel confident we can outwit her.
A millennia old being with the attention span of a gnat.
This.

Though as the seventh child stuff shows one major advantage she has, is simply knowing spirit things, because even common knowledge for them might be totally unknown for us.


As for the update, the deal sounds good, unless someone comes up with more to add:

[x] Go for it.
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I think she expects us to live forever, to be honest. Something about living for an extremely long time is going to give her a chance to pull something off, I'm sure of it.
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I am thinking no we where considering making a immortality technique, based of the phoenix. So perhaps adding a stipulation, that the body will expire when Azula would have naturally died of old age.
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Whelp, chance for chance did not work. The fairy is absolutely certain that her power will get Zuko out, which changes the tenor of things significantly.

The new terms give me considerably less reason to worry, but I still think we have plenty to fear. I mean, if we die....then all contracts with Navi are null and void. Except this one.

Here, Navi still has the body. But our commands and restrictions are suddenly nothing.

We could still try and find a person to bind with Navi, except if they refuse we need to find another. Risky. But possible. I'll wager that we might be able to get Zuko to agree, even if that sabotages his teachings with the Fire Sages and possibly passes secrets along to Navi.

Hmm. Tricky. With Navi promising Zuko's survival, at least out of the depths, that is a considerably heavier chip on her side of the table than I had judged.
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Feb 8 2013, 05:58 PM
Reread the posts.

Sounds to me like A. we eat Navi, or B. we take her energy, or C. we take her energy and excess goes to Zuko.

I am laboring under the impression that Navi is willing to do A and B to survive. We have a contract, and even if the power returned to her in B is diminished, she will still do it to survive and without asking a price. It's sending power to Zuko, she wants a favor for.

If we need to pay a price for B to be open, I hope Chibi will clarify this.
Not quite. It's A- eat navi or B- she infuses what energy she can.

In B, whether the excess goes to Zuko, or she throws it uselessly out in the rain for some other spirit to stumble upon and add to its power, she's still throwing out excess which she is not easily going to get back.

She's not pleased about that either way. But giving it to Zuko gives her a bargaining position for something she really wants. Just making her throw the power out to where any old rain spirit shmuck can pick it up and appropriate it? She's going to be much, much less happy about that. It's not really in the cards, you might say. Giving up power that can't easily be returned for a reason is acceptable. She's not just going to throw it down the hill to where she can't get it back and where the sacrifice does her no extra good.

Not a good metaphor, but it's something like, from her perspective, sending power to Zuko as cutting your leg off to get out from beneath a fallen tree before you starve to death or something comes along and sees an easy meal, versus throwing it away as cutting it off because, hell, you have a hacksaw in the garage, why not?
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I think she expects us to live forever, to be honest. Something about living for an extremely long time is going to give her a chance to pull something off, I'm sure of it.
Maybe she's expecting us to go dragon?
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Double post or something.
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I think she expects us to live forever, to be honest. Something about living for an extremely long time is going to give her a chance to pull something off, I'm sure of it.
The longer she has the body, the greater her feedback loop lasts.

80 years of life is, quite frankly, pants shittingly huge. Navi may very well be back to her pre-Avatar power with this.

Of course, banking on our lifespan may be one motive.
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I think she expects us to live forever, to be honest. Something about living for an extremely long time is going to give her a chance to pull something off, I'm sure of it.
Maybe she's expecting us to go dragon?
Or something similar, I think.
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I think just adding a clause that it goes back to first, if Azula manages to find a way to extend her life. Will close that little loophole.
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So what is the actual agreement? Is the descendants using her fires a thing?
Can we include a bargain for information in here somewhere?

I'm thinking: A. She expects us to become immortal. B. She knows Zuko escapes (time shenanigans).
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Maybe we should add a limit to how much power she's allowed to wield directly?

Or we could just order her to, later in life.
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Just noticed- nowhere in the agreement does it say that we have to have a third child. Just that if we do have one, it would be her. Could that be a possible way around this?
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