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| Azula Quest; A princess is you? | |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM Post #1 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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Posted Image I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from. Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course. Story Alone, right from post numero uno. Azula. 15 years old. Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC Master Firebender [23/6] -"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???] -"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???] -"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???] -"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???] --"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???] -"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???] -"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???] -"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???] -"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X] -"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???] -"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???] -"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?] Air Bender [4/?] -"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???] --"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???] --"???" Electro-Net. [1/???] Advanced Etiquette [2/2?] Spiritualism [3/3?] Leadership [6/???] Politics [6/???] "Agressive Self Defense" [3/???] -Unpleasant Surprises [2/?] Strategy [4/???] Logistics [2/???] Second Child Arts [1/???] Somewhat Cultured [4/???] Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???] Creepy child. Praise the Sun. Fire Good. ... Jealous. So jealous. Once burned, twice....? Tea-sipper. Ruby Butterfly. Divine Right of Kings? Cap'n Jin. Toph Customer, or some other pun. Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy. Lotus Initiate. Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much. Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 08:51 PM Post #601 |
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Eating her is plain dumb. We've already have enough trouble with inhuman ancestry to add whatever spirit bullshilt we'd get from ingesting her. I don't even want to speculate on how it could affect our lightningbending.
Edited by Liam-don, Feb 8 2013, 08:59 PM.
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| drake_azathoth | Feb 8 2013, 08:51 PM Post #602 |
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[X] Accept the deal |
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| Dar | Feb 8 2013, 08:53 PM Post #603 |
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Uh, the deal included just a onetime tank fill er up on both us and Zuko, right? we havent asked about you know...better fire/lava bending knowledge in addition? Anyways, Madam Butterfly is certainly getting a nice deal here so, meh, lets go for it. Accept the contract. Maybe ask about tecnique boost first tho. |
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| Vorpal | Feb 8 2013, 08:55 PM Post #604 |
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Accepting the deal where Yosei can gain complete freedom by killing Azula any time within 80 years after her birth (or just outliving her)? Real smart. Edited by Vorpal, Feb 8 2013, 08:56 PM.
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 08:56 PM Post #605 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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True. He's not 'stretching out his hand' to Zuko and offering bending in the spirit world. By his contract, he can't do that. It's a nope. Can't reach down and snatch Zuko out of where he is, either. Making a lesser sunbeam pierce the gloom though? That much, he can and is doing. It's not much, and he's slightly bending the rules still, but... |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 08:58 PM Post #606 |
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I'm nearly certain we can get away with either giving the Butterfly less, imposing additional restrictions, or otherwise force her hand if we follow our previous train of thought from the last story post, and push the Butterfly on how it can be certain Zuko will succeed. I listed the reasons it was suspicious earlier, but if the Butterfly has to send Zuko her power in order to prevent a Time Paradox, then her bargaining position is much less sturdy than it appears. Hell, if Zuko already has her power because she sent it from the future to Zuko in the present? Then she has no choice but to send it, for free even. Unless she's so stubborn that she WILL take a Time Paradox instead, but by that point she can probably be appeased by a much smaller concession. |
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| iamnuff | Feb 8 2013, 09:00 PM Post #607 |
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THIS seriously guys, we JUST said this. either patch the hole in the deal, or refuse it outright, but DO NOT ACCEPT IT. its basically begging her to murder us! not that i think we should be giving her a human body anyway. especially not one who have to give birth to! |
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 09:03 PM Post #608 |
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You mean the deal that includes "behave like a human, obey the law and heed our commands? I'm not worried overly much, no. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 8 2013, 09:04 PM.
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| Vorpal | Feb 8 2013, 09:04 PM Post #609 |
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neither a dandy nor a clown
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I see you didn't pay attention.
Ergo, Azula dies = Yosei can ignore the deal made here completely. It doesn't actually matter if Yosei gets to kill her or not. Edited by Vorpal, Feb 8 2013, 09:07 PM.
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| ryuan | Feb 8 2013, 09:05 PM Post #610 |
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We can die on childbirth too. Chibi is having way too much fun with this. Edited by ryuan, Feb 8 2013, 09:06 PM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:05 PM Post #611 |
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Azula's a human and very much wants to commit matricide. She can obey the law and still arrange a situation where we will be killed, and she can probably find a loophole to get away with doing it. |
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| Larekko12 | Feb 8 2013, 09:06 PM Post #612 |
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Then add this doesn't fall under voiding clause then deal. |
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| ryuan | Feb 8 2013, 09:07 PM Post #613 |
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See above post. Dying on childbirth through burnination isn't a fun fate for us. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:08 PM Post #614 |
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....Yep. Okay, now that I've seen the fine print again, I'm convinced. [X] Press Yosei on how she can be sure Zuko will survive. Point out irregularities and insist she show him how he is doing right now. -[X] If Time Shenanigans are revealed, renegotiate. [X] Insist on whichever comes first. We remember the fine print of the first contract and Yosei is not getting out of this so easily. [X] If no other haggling option exists, take the deal. Acceptable? |
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| Redon | Feb 8 2013, 09:08 PM Post #615 |
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the baka nerbie
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Your not worried about a deal that becomes no strings attached the moment Azula offs it? I'm sure Azula would be. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 09:10 PM Post #616 |
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Okay? We're already dead by this point, why do we care?
First thing we tell her after she's born: "Do not attempt to kill me, directly or indirectly." Or even one better, "always do everything in your power to preserve my life." |
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| Felius | Feb 8 2013, 09:11 PM Post #617 |
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Yeah, again, if we do accept, a "You will not harm me or arrange for me to be harmed." among other things is essential. We should actually limit her to exactly our lifespan, instead of our lifespan or 80 years. That will give her incentive to keep us alive. Find a way to patch the whole "once we die, all contracts are nullified", maybe by making sure she has to go back to spirit form just before our death? |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:12 PM Post #618 |
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First: because death is not necessarily the end of things, and we have people we care about who may live after us. Would we want Navi to suddenly be able to go rip Ty Lee's face off and eat Toph's eyeballs? I don't. Second: restricts her, but I try to avoid betting against anything resembling the Fae's ability to find loopholes to achieve their ends. |
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| Vorpal | Feb 8 2013, 09:13 PM Post #619 |
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Oh man, that command is just begging to be abused into a fate worse than death. |
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| Felius | Feb 8 2013, 09:13 PM Post #620 |
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"So, here, stay in this ultra safe room where you can't do anything." But yeah, a "not harm, nor arrange for me to be harmed" is essential. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:16 PM Post #621 |
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Actually, you're right. That's practically textbook Zeroth Law Rebellion. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 09:18 PM Post #622 |
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I think what Liam-don is getting at is that the moment Azula dies; the quest is pretty much over. So...it really doesn't hurt us to just let Yousei do whatever she wants after we die. |
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| GoC | Feb 8 2013, 09:20 PM Post #623 |
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I'll note we don't actually have to accept either the deal or the eating. We can just leave her here and head on up. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:20 PM Post #624 |
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Unless what happens is why, and suddenly we have adventures in the spirit world. Or get summoned back as an undead Fire Lord. Or those hints of people being sent to the past or alternate universes or whatnot. Point is, I'm not convinced death is the end of the Quest. |
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| GoC | Feb 8 2013, 09:21 PM Post #625 |
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This is a world with a spirit realm and fire lords are confirmed to be able to influence things past death (and possess their own skeletons). Quest doesn't end with death. |
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| Vorpal | Feb 8 2013, 09:22 PM Post #626 |
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That's a fair meta consideration, but as far as roleplay goes it'd be nice to have a lifetime of our achievement rather than being patsy. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 8 2013, 09:23 PM Post #627 |
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On a side note, I don't think we can add a single clause that will bypass an earlier contract. The initial contract has precedence and I do not think we are capable of changing it anymore. If we tell her that this contract is not subject to being voided on our death, she'll most likely just refuse and say that such a contract is impossible due to an earlier agreement. Also, we really shouldn't make deals that screw the world once we are dead. Azula believes in Sozin's dream and would not do something that jeopardizes it if she can help it. Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 8 2013, 09:24 PM.
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 09:24 PM Post #628 |
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The people we'll leave behind aren't defenseless. How powerful do you think 90 years old Toph/Katara/Zuul/Zuuko/Aang will be? How powerfull will be our heirs? The army we'll have to bring to bear against her? Yeah, I'm thinking Navi won't be able to get her way for long. You know what, the truth is that in life you can't always have your way. You can't win it all. Frankly, I'd be more tempted to sway Navi to our way of thinking to try and resctrict her actions somewhat in her future life rather than bind her so tight she'll be perpetually be close to exploding. Personally, what I see here is the very real possibilty of things going to shit in the present and that supercedes my worries over things going to shit a century down the line. Leaving Zuko to fend for himself and turning ourselves into some half spirit half dragon half human thing are terrible, terriblen terrible moves. You're basically unleashing your psycopathic monster unto the world right away, except its name will be Azula instead of Yosei or whatever. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 8 2013, 09:25 PM.
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| mc2rpg | Feb 8 2013, 09:24 PM Post #629 |
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I am pretty sure Chibi told us we won't make it up the mountain without some sort of boost, so no we can't just leave and go on our own. |
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| Earth-Destroyer | Feb 8 2013, 09:24 PM Post #630 |
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[X] Press Yosei on how she can be sure Zuko will survive. Point out irregularities and insist she show him how he is doing right now. -[X] If Time Shenanigans are revealed, renegotiate. |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 09:26 PM Post #631 |
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First/Last It's not because she's looking for a loophole, but because she expects you to live a long time... but if she goes with first, there's still the risk that you'll cark it a year after she's born. Even so, it's a loophole for them to argue over. Even if you lived a thousand years, though, she would be far from the most dangerous thing around by the end of it. Agni, for example, could still pinch her out like a candleflame. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:29 PM Post #632 |
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I think Navi will wipe the fucking floor with all of them, because a spirit having their own body gives a feedback loop that allows them to amass huge amounts of power, very quickly. Yosei was once capable of beating the AVATAR. If she can amass that much power again, which does not seem impossible to me since we're giving her 80 years of bending minimum, she'll be impossible to handle. Although ordering Navi to become a chi blocker and never use firebending may be a clever way to stop that, but that's a thought for another time. I also very much doubt we'll bring Navi around to our way of thinking, but who knows, it might be possible. Not gonna bet on it though, it'll be like redeeming a Fae. |
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| Guile | Feb 8 2013, 09:31 PM Post #633 |
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There's also a difference between being born a human and incarnating on the physical plain as a spirit because some newb lets you take over their body. I'd be pretty surprised if she had access to her full spiritual might... ever, as a human. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:31 PM Post #634 |
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Well, GM has spoken. Although far from most dangerous thing =/ not very goddamn dangerous to mortals. Still, useful knowledge to know. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 09:32 PM Post #635 |
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So in other words; chances are the deal she offered is probably as good as we're gong to get it to, and she's actually going to follow the intent of it. At least, that's what I'm getting from this. ...Fuck it; let's accept. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:32 PM Post #636 |
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We know it's possible to manifest enough to drive back the Avatar for lulz four times. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 09:34 PM Post #637 |
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When she was in her prime; and wasn't driven off her own turf. I highly doubt she's going to reach those levels again anytime soon. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 09:34 PM Post #638 |
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Yeah, since she could take the Avatar sans Avatar state once, she'll be able to take the Avatar, a bunch of almost as powerfull benders and the rest of the world on top of it at the same time. Flawless logic. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 09:35 PM Post #639 |
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Don't forget; she's still not in her prime or anywhere near her previous peak in terms of power. Yeah, they're totally screwed... |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:39 PM Post #640 |
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That would depend on exactly how much power she can get from the feedback loop. 80 years+ is a long time.
At the same time? No. But who says they'll get to fight at the same time? Hell, who says they'll be around? They could easily die before us. And what makes you so certain the last Avatar didn't have the Avatar State? I don't recall evidence one way or another. |
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| Aranfan | Feb 8 2013, 09:40 PM Post #641 |
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Screw it. [x] Accept. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 09:42 PM Post #642 |
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Not to a spirit it isn't. I would like to remind you that Yangchen was...hmm, let's say 400 years. Yeah, 400 years before Aang; probably more considering I think I forgot to take into account his suspended animation. And, in those 400 years; Yousei still hasn't gotten anywhere near as powerful as she once was. Think about that... |
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 09:44 PM Post #643 |
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And who's to say she won't? Who's to say we won't have warned the rest of our family about her? Who's to say we'll even live long enough to have children? How few elements she used at the same time. Three fights and Yangchen never used them all at once. Avatar state doesn't fuck around like that, especially not against something it lost to before. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 8 2013, 09:52 PM.
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 09:55 PM Post #644 |
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... Uh... If she gets punted back to the Spirit World after our death, then... Well. She doesn't get much more power then we were expecting her to get, right? We expected for her to stick with us, and grow from our Bending, for our entire life -- she is still effectively under this same limit! It's just if we die young, she has an extra 80 years. And she will be getting more power/faster during the time which Azula will be alive. But, she's not going to be able to hang around for much longer then we expected when we FIRST made our deal. |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 09:56 PM Post #645 |
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It's true. Yangchen didn't master the Avatar State until decades after the whole butterfly matter. Of course, Yangchen was born an avatar, but an avatar of only average bending talent. It doesn't deliberately pick out the best of the best, it just goes 'Okay, who's being born next in the next people on the list? All right. They're it.' There have been one or two Avatars that were barely able to bend at all, on their own. They are politely glossed over in the histories. Aang is kind of doing it backwards. You're supposed to spend years learning every element before you start fucking around with that sort of thing. Stupid prodigies.... Edit: Consensus seems to be 'agree after ironing out loopholes'. Already writing, but here's a tidbit. >Should thy end come before my flesh be born, I will even protect thine spirit, such as I might... from the consequences of that failure. Thou art fortunate indeed, that it is I with whom thou art bargaining. Navi likes you~ ... Even if you are kind of a boring prude sometimes. And she understands that sometimes things just go wrong that you can't plan for, and you don't really deserve to get introduced to torments worse than a thousand painful deaths just because somebody managed to stab you in the lungs a few times before you managed to squeeze out a few warm and screaming bodies. She's remarkably reasonable and understanding, for a spirit. Comes of having significantly more 'real world' experience, as it were, where lots of them only understand humans in the sense of 'those strange things you see sometimes'. Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 8 2013, 10:00 PM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 09:59 PM Post #646 |
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Yes, I remember how it had been so very long since Yosei had had flesh. She's not anywhere near as powerful because she hasn't been able to abuse the feedback loop.
Moot point. Chibi seems to have clarified. Still, we have no actual evidence that Avatar State was never deployed against it. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 10:01 PM Post #647 |
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I always thought he was a slow learner. I mean, he was 112 years old when he finally learned his second element! Edit: I'm really missing the like button. :frown: Edited by Liam-don, Feb 8 2013, 10:02 PM.
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| Border42 | Feb 8 2013, 10:01 PM Post #648 |
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Fish out of gap.
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And suddenly I'm slightly less trepiditious about this whole thing. Slightly. I still feel as if we should get some kind of concession out of her regarding the whole "all contracts broken after death thing", but I'm not quite as worried now. [Edit] And with Chibi's further edit I'm actually starting to be kinda okay with the whole thing. Edited by Border42, Feb 8 2013, 10:03 PM.
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| ........ | Feb 8 2013, 10:01 PM Post #649 |
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Half asleep when I post this, soon to go back to being all the way asleep again, but has anyone thought of offering her whatever position she wanted, and in exchange she gets born and lives like a human, memory sealed and starting with nothing save for whatever advantages she managed to program into the body she crafts? If she ends up evil then it'll be Azula's fault for not raising her right. Loses nothing in the really long run, and gains a better understanding of humans in the process. Of course, I'm half asleep right now, so there may well be something I'm not thinking of, but oh well. Edited by ........, Feb 8 2013, 10:03 PM.
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 10:02 PM Post #650 |
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Alright; so we're ironing out loopholes, and Navi isn't a bitch who's going to fuck us over because she likes us. Good to know. |
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