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| Azula Quest; A princess is you? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM (38,741 Views) | |
| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM Post #1 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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Posted Image I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from. Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course. Story Alone, right from post numero uno. Azula. 15 years old. Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC Master Firebender [23/6] -"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???] -"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???] -"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???] -"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???] --"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???] -"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???] -"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???] -"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???] -"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X] -"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???] -"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???] -"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?] Air Bender [4/?] -"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???] --"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???] --"???" Electro-Net. [1/???] Advanced Etiquette [2/2?] Spiritualism [3/3?] Leadership [6/???] Politics [6/???] "Agressive Self Defense" [3/???] -Unpleasant Surprises [2/?] Strategy [4/???] Logistics [2/???] Second Child Arts [1/???] Somewhat Cultured [4/???] Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???] Creepy child. Praise the Sun. Fire Good. ... Jealous. So jealous. Once burned, twice....? Tea-sipper. Ruby Butterfly. Divine Right of Kings? Cap'n Jin. Toph Customer, or some other pun. Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy. Lotus Initiate. Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much. Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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| Hectonkhyres | Feb 8 2013, 12:13 AM Post #51 |
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Still, even if its not enough, its not irreversible and it closes off no doors. |
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| Solaris | Feb 8 2013, 12:13 AM Post #52 |
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Actually you probably have to think about how old she is. If we merge she doesn't have to be stronger than us, her personality has a good chance of subsuming our own due to the weight of experience she has. 14 years vs millennia? No contest |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 12:14 AM Post #53 |
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Geez, now we're thinking about a flat out merge? Da fuck? Frankly I don't think that option is even on the table, but if it is, I'm sure Chibi will let us know next update. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 12:14 AM Post #54 |
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... Uh, let's just back up a minute here. We asked for (more) power and knowledge. That does not necessarily have to lead to a merger or whatever. Let's not talk about merging until and unless it comes up and would be a viable choice. |
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| Guile | Feb 8 2013, 12:16 AM Post #55 |
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We're talking about sharing memories and stuff, right? One of us has a lot more life experience than the other - on the order of centuries or millenia - even if Azula has an iron will. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 12:17 AM Post #56 |
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Guys, on rereading this - where did you get the "merge" part and "all of her knowledge" part? Azula asks for "all of the power and knowledge you can give me" There's a big difference with "all of her knowledge and power". |
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| GLH | Feb 8 2013, 12:21 AM Post #57 |
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I think there is miscommunication occuring here at the moment between Azula and Yosei. "I need all of the power and knowledge you can give me" likely means something quite different from the perspective of Yosei than it does for Azula.
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 12:21 AM Post #58 |
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Actually we aren't. We are talking about it giving us knowledge (not memories, there is difference) and power so we can carry both of us and let us both survive the ordeal. |
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| Hectonkhyres | Feb 8 2013, 12:24 AM Post #59 |
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Its not an infinite well of power. And, going by its words, its feeding on us to allow us to bend. "My powers grow, but even were you to burn all your life away, I would not survive an attempt to leave this place." Edited by Hectonkhyres, Feb 8 2013, 12:25 AM.
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 12:27 AM Post #60 |
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[x] "I'm not hearing any alternatives." Can't really think of much more convincing arguements. Too tired. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 12:27 AM Post #61 |
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We can feed it with our flames. And when we bend, the bendnig comes from it, but we return the power invested in us with a small interest, making it stronger each time we bend. It was saying that even if we used all our chi / life force to feed it, would still not be enough to allow it to escape, even assuming that Raijin didn't take offense at this. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 8 2013, 12:28 AM Post #62 |
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I guess right now the best course of action would be to ask Yosei what she can do and what we can do for her. A list of options, if you will. The situation is desperate enough for Azula to be able to pressure Yosei into saying what she can do and what the effects would be. Be it anything from just giving all her remaining power, transferring knowledge, fusion, etc. |
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| biigoh | Feb 8 2013, 12:29 AM Post #63 |
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GM / Chibi SIGNAL I have heard that if one clears one cache of SB cookies, you can look at SB stuff without logging in. They don't ban via IP or stuff. So, you could view SB if necessary. Otherwise, I think I and the others here wouldn't mind helping you recover stuff. Edited by biigoh, Feb 8 2013, 12:29 AM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 12:29 AM Post #64 |
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Honestly, I thought "All the knowledge and power you can give me," was a bit overreaching and presumptuous. "Anything you can do to help us survive," is how I would have phrased it. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 12:32 AM Post #65 |
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Well, here's year 12-13. |
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| Redon | Feb 8 2013, 12:38 AM Post #66 |
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the baka nerbie
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I google doc'ed the entired damn thing I believe. Just formatting it at the moment and checking it for errors.
Edited by Redon, Feb 8 2013, 12:39 AM.
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| Hectonkhyres | Feb 8 2013, 12:45 AM Post #67 |
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I've already advised him of as much. And, yes, it worked as of early December. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 12:45 AM Post #68 |
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... I like the phrasing on this! Anything that might help us survive, or give us more chances, or open up options. What do we have to work with here? Come on, brainstorm Navi, brainstorm! |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 12:49 AM Post #69 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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[x] Negotiation. "You are useful. And need is great, for both of us." You reply, blandly. "If you have ideas, I would hear them. We are, after all, not prone to accidental deals. I advise you speak very forthrightly and honestly." "haaaah..." the fairy muses slowly. "To take your body for my own... I would survive the rains, but the contract would be broken, and my existence would be in peril. For us to become one... it is much the same, though not quite. All that is I would become you, and all that you are would be joined with myself. Devoured, you would be, as utterly as a drop of the ocean in a vast desert. My power is diminished, but there is weight behind me. The contract... may not be broken, perhaps. But I feel it doubtful that you would agree to this." The fairy considers, seated in the low fires. ... She looks slightly uncomfortable. "... Yes, your body could stand between the storms and I, through one means or another. But I am not powerful enough, and yet too powerful. All that is is not as it seems: my flesh might feed you as the meat of beasts, and reduce myself in stature. I am loathe to progress along this course, though I would likely survive, provided you traveled at great speed and disgorged that which remained with all haste. Unpleasant. But survivable. Though... one does not consume such without risks. That which thou art will to some degree change. And though my power will return through our compact, and I heal, I am... hesitant." You can understand why. In a choice between certain and merely likely death, likely is the safer bet, but you would also hesitate if forced to make such a choice. "Even so. To diminish myself... I am equally loathe to cast aside my own power, a portion of my very Self, without the gravest of need. ... though given to you, it will not sate hunger, but it will restore your energies, and more. And that which remains between that which will be required and that which must be cast out to reduce my Self at need, to hide myself from the falling waters with a shield of thy flesh.... thy beloved one would indeed be grateful for such a boon, in time of need." You grow still. "... Time of need?" You say, slowly. "Is Zuko in trouble? How do you know-" "This world is not like unto thine own. That which is is not as it might be, and that which appears may not be that which is here, but that which is elsewhere. You wish to see? Turn your gaze away from here, and look there." The instruction makes no sense. Only somehow, it does. You turn your head, and instead of an alcove amidst the pouring rain, you seem to be looking out upon... Darkness. Zuko, in the center of a ring of... creatures. Fighting powerfully against a thing very much like a massive, black scorpion spider. "It would be more suitable, in thy eyes, to send my power to one in need of it, correct?" The fairy says, as the world fades back into the place where you are. Or where you think you are? "Though with no contract, still it would not return to me. But such might be endured. Though, in turn, should we both live, I would ask of thee a small thing." --- [ ] ??? |
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| Jiven | Feb 8 2013, 12:51 AM Post #70 |
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I am happy it's continuing, even with SB mods being unreasonable. And you now what ? NO FUCKING SB LAGG! Edited by Jiven, Feb 8 2013, 12:51 AM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 12:55 AM Post #71 |
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Hoooooooooh boy. Can't let Navi take our body. Can't do a merge, now or ever probably. We eat Navi. She gives us a portion of her power, and we return it afterwards. She gives it to Zuko, it does not return afterwards, Zuko might get another power-up, and we owe Navi. Probably a bit of time in our body. |
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| GLH | Feb 8 2013, 12:55 AM Post #72 |
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[X] "I will hear your request little one". |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 12:56 AM Post #73 |
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Edited by Pipeman, Feb 8 2013, 12:59 AM.
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| Border42 | Feb 8 2013, 12:56 AM Post #74 |
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Pending further arguments. I'm probably in favor of (what I think is) the eating her option. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 12:56 AM Post #75 |
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[x]What thing, specifically? [x]No to merger [x]If I was to feed you some of my own flesh, or at least my hair, will it make you strong enough to, in turn, make me strong enough? [x]Can you send a portion of yourself to Zuko and another portion to me? And I'm not sure I understand what fairy says precisely. Can someone translate into normal English? |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 12:56 AM Post #76 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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Before people complain about Evil Navi trying to get something extra out of the deal: of course she is. One, she's technically kind of evil. Two, the only ideas she has with some chance of success are really unpleasant for her, to the degree that other spirits might reasonably go 'Yeah, death might not be so bad, actually'. Either let you eat her, and vomit stuff up later, or remove enough of her own power to fit inside your... mouth, and be shielded. Which is less 'drawing a few ounces of blood' and more 'Right, got a hacksaw, legs can go, I've got two kidneys, let's see, yeah, I can spare a lung, not going to need both arms, probably...' sort of a thing in this situation. |
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| Hectonkhyres | Feb 8 2013, 12:57 AM Post #77 |
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[x]"Ask, though I will promise nothing yet." We'll gladly halve our chances to double Zuko's. Its... important for us. But we fear Zuko being lost to Navi as much as to these things.
To be evil requires a choice and understanding of that choice. Edited by Hectonkhyres, Feb 8 2013, 01:00 AM.
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| Jiven | Feb 8 2013, 01:01 AM Post #78 |
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I am definitively having a preference for not eating her. |
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| Solaris | Feb 8 2013, 01:01 AM Post #79 |
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[x] What exactly would you ask for? |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 01:02 AM Post #80 |
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Does the favour she asks for apply to both offers? [x] Ask what she wants in turn. Pretty much neccessary for any decision. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 01:02 AM Post #81 |
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Ah, thanks for clarification. [x]Feed her our hair (burn the m in the fires) to make her stronger right now. [x]Ask what favor, precisely, she wants. --[x]If she refuses to tell, set boundaries. No possession of yours or anyone else's body. No cannibalism, orgies, acts of slaughter (you'll agree to slaughter a cake), drugs, etc. No human sacrifice. No angering major spirits (of the power at least equal to her). No actions with long-term repercussions. No actions that will compromise your position as heir, or will compromise Fire Nation. ----[x]If she agrees, than half the power goes to Zuko, half goes to us (which is what "feed her hair" is for - give her the boost so she has more power to distribute). We both need to survive. Edited by Yog, Feb 8 2013, 01:03 AM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 01:04 AM Post #82 |
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I miss the Like button. Well, her giving power to us will mean that we'll likely survive, and it will come back to her. Pretty good. But Zuko is in trouble. Giving it to Zuko...I'd want to hear what Navi wants from us first. I can see it being helpful and quite possibly saving him, which is good. But what Navi wants is probably going to hurt us just as much. Plus, there's no guarantee that we are going to have the strength to survive. We're climbing a mountain here, and then undergoing Raijin's trial. We can still leave her behind, but...well, her dying partway through is just as bad for us. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 8 2013, 01:05 AM Post #83 |
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[x] What exactly would you ask for? We might as well find out what she wants, though I admit, I'm leaning towards eating her. With out any boost in power, we are pretty much screwed. Hungry, tired, weak.. If we rest here to get rid of our tiredness, or hunger will get worse and we will get weaker, anyway. I still feel that Zuko has an actual chance right now, as opposed to us, whose only chance of survival hinges on this decision. |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 01:07 AM Post #84 |
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Only to the second one. If you go ahead and eat her like a wolf tearing apart a caught rat, but vomit what's left of her back up afterwards, then she's still getting all of her power back from you eventually, and she'll probably actually be in better shape than the other idea at the end of everything, since you still only need a set boost of your own to get to the top. If you go with plan B, and send some more power to Zuko, she is not getting that power back. Even if she can grow a new set of legs, metaphorically, you're still asking her to cut them off and run them through a wood-chipper. But, on the plus side, Zuko gets a helpful little boost which he otherwise doesn't. |
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| Solaris | Feb 8 2013, 01:08 AM Post #85 |
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So it's between helping us and Yosei, or helping Zuko. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 01:09 AM Post #86 |
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Uh, Chibi, what do you mean here? I'm having trouble parsing the wording here. She's offering a third alternative here, right? The "Eat Me" option. And she's also describing what would happen and what it would involve. Okay. But what does the second part mean? I don't quite get it. "And that which remains between that which will be required and that which must be cast out to reduce my Self at need, to hide myself from the falling waters with a shield of thy flesh.... thy beloved one would indeed be grateful for such a boon, in time of need." What does this mean? She's saying that... She's too big to be eaten, even as she is now -- so she'd have to cast aside some of her power, and she is suggesting that it be sent to Zuko? Meanwhile, the smaller Navi (bite-size!) will get literally/physically eaten by Azula? And with all this in mind -- if Azula is fast enough in finishing her trial, she could then regurgitate Navi and thus Navi could return? Albeit weakened, again. The power that would go to Zuko, though, won't be coming back to her. How would giving Zuko some of her power work though? Would it be just a momentary boost? Or instead, a temporary restoration of Bending ability due to having a Spirit's power? Or... something else? It kinda sounded like you were talking about two variants of one option...? 1 Eat Navi, hurry up and regurgitate later 2 Navi casts off some of her power, gifting it to Zuko, and we... eat her..? Or is it that, in 2, Navi casts off enough power to give to Zuko -- and then she LITERALLY uses our body as a shield, by travelling in our very mouth. Nothing fancy; just a literal physical shield from the storm. But she needs to shuck off power in order to fit in. |
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| Jiven | Feb 8 2013, 01:10 AM Post #87 |
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[x] Maximize Zuko's chances of survival.
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| SolipsistSerpent | Feb 8 2013, 01:10 AM Post #88 |
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First, off topic, I have all of Witch Quest saved to my computer if Chibi wants it, though it's in clunky html format. Second, on topic, I'm a little hesitant about the second part, it seems to me like we might end giving Zuko another free power boost and that would really not help our jealousy issues, so I could be talked into splitting the cast off power half and half between Azula and Zuko, but I think he may need it more because we can still draw power from what's left of her after she casts parts of herself off. [x]Ask Ruby Butterfly what this small thing she asks is. [x]If it really is small, send her cast off power to Zuko (remember, we can still draw power from what's left of her, if very little). Edited by SolipsistSerpent, Feb 8 2013, 01:24 AM.
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| Liam-don | Feb 8 2013, 01:10 AM Post #89 |
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But since distances don't seem to mean much in this world, what are the odds of Zuko managing to come to our aid? For a given value of aid, of course. Also, might be a good time to Command Zuko to win and live. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 01:11 AM Post #90 |
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Wait... Zuko can't bend. Zuko, right now, knows that he can't bend. What sort of power will Yosei send to him other than the bending one? [x]Spirit, if you can see Zuko, can you tell me, how fast will I be able to get to him? Because if it is fast enough, I think our best chance would be to [x]Feed her hair [x]Get as big boost as possible from her [x]Get to the top, as quickly as possible [x]Get Raijin's favor [x]Go save Zuko We have to have some trust in him. He's primarily a swordsman / assassin. He's a fighter. Not a bad one. If we can get to him fast enough, we may be able to save him. |
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| Solaris | Feb 8 2013, 01:14 AM Post #91 |
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True. And since the spirit realm is so wonky maybe we can hax it to take us to the top. Or at least find us the path of least resistance. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 8 2013, 01:14 AM Post #92 |
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Do we have any idea how far away the top is for us, and whether we think we can make it? Because if we don't even know if we can survive, then a personal boost becomes much more important. I'm not going to count Zuko doomed in his fight, although we can't be sure this is the only big trial he faces. But we need to survive as well, and Navi's the only likely recharge we're going to get. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 01:16 AM Post #93 |
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From what I gather, there are three options: 1) Eat Navi's physical body. Satiates our physical hunger, gives us minor boost, we vomit her up later. 2) Navi tears parts of her soul and gives them to us, giving us direct energy / bending boost, beyond our normal ability. Said boost will later return to her. She uses our body as a literal shield (hides inside our mouth) 3) Same as 2, only it goes to Zuko and she doesn't get it back later. We owe her a favor. I think option two, with boosting of Navi (burn our hair, our clothes if we have any that are dry and anything else to give Navi a boost before she puts that boost into us) and then accomplishing the test as quickly as possible is the best option if we can get to Zuko quickly after the test if over. Indeed. Let's have a little trust in Zuko. He's destiny-bound. He's talented swordsman with a good sword. If we can be fast enough, we'll come to his aid afterwards. Edited by Yog, Feb 8 2013, 01:18 AM.
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| Border42 | Feb 8 2013, 01:18 AM Post #94 |
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With that helping clarify things a bit. I am firmly for option two. Edited by Border42, Feb 8 2013, 01:19 AM.
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 01:19 AM Post #95 |
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1. Eat navi, messily, since she's not bite-size swallowable. Zuko gets jack shit and keeps fighting a giant scorpion, hoping not to slip up and get impaled on a poison sting as his mortal body slowly tires. You become somewhat warped in strange ways as you slowly digest Navi, advise you hurry to the top so you can vomit her back up. Odds are good that Navi keeps a lot of personal power through this, and only has to wait a little while to get it all back. 2. Navi extracts power from herself and infuses it in you externally, and sends some off to Zuko. You carry her inside, most likely in your mouth, yes, and you're careful not to swallow. Zuko suddenly gets a brief power-up in which he can firebend until the gifted energy runs out. Basically, his tank is empty, but this ships him a can of gas. You don't end up getting any weird spiritual, physical, or mental contamination or mutation, since this is a lot safer for you. Navi, however, gets a rougher deal and is significantly more diminished for longer, but can use that and the fact that she helped Zuko as you requested to get a concession from you, to be discussed. She's just too plain big to fit inside of you without adjustments, basically. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 01:20 AM Post #96 |
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Guys, I think the thing here is, Zuko could use our help NOW. I mean, that it's a matter of timing. If it were just Zuko fighting monsters one by one, I'd say we try to get this done as fast as possible. But right now, he's in a Boss Fight. He could use help now, as opposed to 10 minutes later, when the Boss Fight will be over. |
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| Border42 | Feb 8 2013, 01:21 AM Post #97 |
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Now this makes it a great deal more difficult. I neither really want to leave Zuko alone, or owe a spirit a favor. |
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| Solaris | Feb 8 2013, 01:23 AM Post #98 |
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Hmm, dang I was just hoping for physical mutation. Mental Mutation makes this much harder. Eh, I guess I'll stick to my vote of asking her what she wants exactly if we send the energy to ole Zuzu. Edited by Solaris, Feb 8 2013, 01:24 AM.
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 01:24 AM Post #99 |
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Ah. In that case, I want to go with 2. Along with maybe the idea of burning a few more things in order to eke out just a little bit more power. Though, yes, I definitely want to know what favor/concession she'd want. If possible, I'd also like to see if we could throw in that advice/source of knowledge thing I brought up. (i.e. I lamented that, when we first made the deal, we could've thrown in another condition -- that she answer our questions and serve as a source of knowledge and information. Basically, she'd answer our questions and be helpful in situations, but also be helpful OUTSIDE of life-or-death matters. Whereas without such a deal, she'd only speak whenever she felt like it, or if she had to act to save our lives.) Might be a bit too much to ask, though. Or not. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 01:25 AM Post #100 |
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Option one is out for certain. We have enough mental / transformational problems as it is. With option two, will Zuko know when his boost is going to run out? If he doesn't, then this is a bad thing to give him. Too treacherous. I would say [x]Feed anything you can to Navi (hair, some clothes, whatever burns) to boost her temporarily. --[x]Zuko gets just a tiny bit of power. Enough for a finishing blow (one, maybe two strikes with flame swords). ----[x]Since it's very little power, Navi only gets very limited favor, with limitations discussed above. --[x]You get all the other power. We then do the task as quickly as possible, to go save Zuko as soon as we finish. Personally, I think Zuko will be fine. He's destiny bound. He's a great swordmsan. He studied sword arts a lot. He has some sage training. But better to hedge the bets. Edited by Yog, Feb 8 2013, 01:27 AM.
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