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| Azula Quest; A princess is you? | |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM Post #1 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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Posted Image I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from. Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course. Story Alone, right from post numero uno. Azula. 15 years old. Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC Master Firebender [23/6] -"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???] -"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???] -"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???] -"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???] --"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???] -"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???] -"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???] -"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???] -"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X] -"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???] -"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???] -"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?] Air Bender [4/?] -"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???] --"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???] --"???" Electro-Net. [1/???] Advanced Etiquette [2/2?] Spiritualism [3/3?] Leadership [6/???] Politics [6/???] "Agressive Self Defense" [3/???] -Unpleasant Surprises [2/?] Strategy [4/???] Logistics [2/???] Second Child Arts [1/???] Somewhat Cultured [4/???] Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???] Creepy child. Praise the Sun. Fire Good. ... Jealous. So jealous. Once burned, twice....? Tea-sipper. Ruby Butterfly. Divine Right of Kings? Cap'n Jin. Toph Customer, or some other pun. Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy. Lotus Initiate. Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much. Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 9 2013, 07:37 PM Post #1151 |
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We were hungry. Really, really hungry, heh. |
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| NSMS | Feb 9 2013, 07:37 PM Post #1152 |
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We were hungry, and in the previous update asked for a sandwich or else we'd start zapping birds and eating them. |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 9 2013, 07:37 PM Post #1153 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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The point was 'Damn it, I'm serious, feed me or I will find something to eat myself and probably bring some political shame down in the process.' |
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| Dinya | Feb 9 2013, 07:39 PM Post #1154 |
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Associating with that guy would have made Fuujin even more pissed. This time specifically at us. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 9 2013, 07:40 PM Post #1155 |
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No, we've sent requests for information through many different channels and we're waiting for them to gat back to us. Moving around is counterproductice, really. And if all we ever do to Katara is shun or antagonize her, all she'll ever be is dead weight. We need to reach out to her at some point. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 9 2013, 07:40 PM.
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| Solaris | Feb 9 2013, 07:40 PM Post #1156 |
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Actually, from what I read. We Didn't give it to him as a mocking gesture. More like a, "Here, maybe this'll help." kind of thing. Like seeing someone struggling to move a box and telling them that there's a ramp right over there. Edited by Solaris, Feb 9 2013, 07:41 PM.
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| NSMS | Feb 9 2013, 07:44 PM Post #1157 |
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Fair point, but going straight from antagonistic relationship to getting her a bending teacher is WAY too big a jump. Plus Ozai will probably veto it, and Zuul probably wouldn't want to teach her. For that matter, would Katara even be okay with being taught by her? Edited by NSMS, Feb 9 2013, 07:46 PM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 9 2013, 07:46 PM Post #1158 |
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We haven't heard from Katara in a while. I don't like her, much like people don't like Zuul, but Chibi has a habit of having events build up in the background beyond our sight and biting us in the ass. Hard. Yeah, honestly I'd be fine with putting training off for a day while we have our council of war and politics, and make our social rounds. ALL OF THEM. |
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| Redon | Feb 9 2013, 07:47 PM Post #1159 |
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I don't get the politics thing, changes of this scale won't happen in a day.
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| NSMS | Feb 9 2013, 07:48 PM Post #1160 |
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Can't really remember to be honest. I know that at least some of the support for the idea was because of the mocking inherent in it- 'you suck at firebending, so here's something you should do instead', sort of thing. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 9 2013, 07:49 PM Post #1161 |
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In regards to Katara, we could possibly just go and talk to her while doing everything in our power not to mock, taunt or get mad at her. Azula is, after all, extremely good at not doing what she wants. Half the time it turns into something so no longer wants to do, anyway. She could claim that it's her interest in Water Tribe culture from a direct source or maybe just a different perspective on normal affairs. No matter. It should hopefully get harder and harder for Katara to hate Azula if she no longer does anything mean to her or wont be baited into anger. Or, well, it could piss Katara off even more, though given her personality, that's a bit unlikely, I think. Repeat these conversation every other day or so for a month or so. If it's working, continue, if not, well, we tried. Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 9 2013, 07:51 PM.
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| Liam-don | Feb 9 2013, 07:49 PM Post #1162 |
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Probably not, but I doubt she'll refuse since it's her only option. The fact that she'll dislike Zuul is precisely why it's not too big a jump. We are helping Katara, but not in a way she's entirely comfortable with. Ozai already left her in our hands and why would he care anyway? What's a single waterbender gonna do? As for Zuul, we're the boss of her. She doesn't get to refuse. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 9 2013, 07:50 PM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 9 2013, 07:49 PM Post #1163 |
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Ozai's got lots to think about, but I suspect he'll have at least the beginnings of a game plan by now. Plus, now that he's aware of the existence of spirits we can bring up the Old Man in the Mountain with him. And even if he's not ready TODAY, we can at least put forth the idea so events are in motion. |
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| NSMS | Feb 9 2013, 07:51 PM Post #1164 |
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Okay then: [X] Check in on everyone. Make sure Ty Lee is no longer freaking out, and talk to Iroh and Ozai about our new capabilities- whether we should try and hide them, how people are likely to react, etc. [X] (Somehow) find the time to make sure Zuul is settling in, reasonably comfortable, and not making trouble. [X] Check on Katara. Resist the urge to taunt her. [X] Test out our new air/lightning bending. Don't push it- just try to get a basic idea of what we're capable of. [X] Ask uncle whether he knows where we might be able to get more airbending scrolls. |
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| Alratan | Feb 9 2013, 07:53 PM Post #1165 |
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We should certainly get Zuko some new swords, particularly considering the circumstances in which he lost his previous ones. On the subject of his swords, has the meteor storm happened yet? Getting swords for him should also be very cheap, time wise. We can't afford to waste time on Zuul. If she becomes a problem, we, or Iroh, or Ozai, or even Zuko or Toph can just put her down, permanently if required. She's just not worth the hassle she represents. I was afraid she'd be a time sink, and that seems to be exactly what she's turning into. There are so many, much more important things we could be doing - exploring the capabilities of our airbending and Zuko's shadowbending, developing new or upgrading existing techniques, trying to develop an airbending version of Divine Right by practising on the Joo Dee, and many more. Until we get heat bending there's not even much point in learning her fire bending style - even if we can work out how to bend molten iron and salt with lavabending, her style would give us an amazing anti-spirit technique. Katara can also be left to rot. She's useful as a hostage, but she's too much of a threat to allow out. Perhaps, perhaps we could look for some scrolls that are purely about healing and give them to her, but I'm not really sure we should. Once more, she's just a time sink. She's Iroh's hostage. He can manage her. We don't need to, and shouldn't. Taking too much of an interest in her is itself problematic. Edited by Alratan, Feb 9 2013, 08:01 PM.
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| GoC | Feb 9 2013, 07:55 PM Post #1166 |
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Couldn't we just put up a bigass wall of fire around us (using airbending to prevent suffocation) and use wide area attacks to kill her? |
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| Dinya | Feb 9 2013, 07:57 PM Post #1167 |
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He will probably want two pairs of dao, now - one of steel and one of iron. |
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| Keeper of Storms | Feb 9 2013, 07:57 PM Post #1168 |
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Bleh, Bending is Spirit-based not science. So why not learn how to bend fire that doesn't consume air? |
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| Liam-don | Feb 9 2013, 07:58 PM Post #1169 |
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This, on the other hand, I disagree with. A complete 180° on our attitude on the flimsy excuse that we want to know the Water Tribe better is such a transparent attempt to butter her up while giving her nothing of substance I think Katara would just shut us out. Frankly it doesn't sound like an actual attempt at success, but just going through the motion so you can say we tried. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 9 2013, 07:59 PM.
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| Alratan | Feb 9 2013, 07:58 PM Post #1170 |
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Or use airbending to supply the spiritual "air" that the fire requires. It might be a way to improve our endurance. |
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| Larekko12 | Feb 9 2013, 08:01 PM Post #1171 |
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Hey can we get zuko a pair of a pair of those dao swords that hang in the same sheath? |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 9 2013, 08:01 PM Post #1172 |
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We already told her that we want to "seduce" her, so there really isn't much we can do that she wouldn't consider a method of trying to get her to stop hating us. Doesn't mean it wouldn't work, even if she knows what we're doing. |
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| iamnuff | Feb 9 2013, 08:02 PM Post #1173 |
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heh, one set of Steel Dao, and one set of witcher Zuko is go! also, its a good thing you can fit both swords in a single sheathe, because wearing four swords would make you look fucking stupid. |
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| Dinya | Feb 9 2013, 08:04 PM Post #1174 |
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Why the fuck would you want to kill her? Sure, she's kind of a jerk and Azula hates her. But that's no reason for us to want her dead. Killing Ursa will have ugly social repercussions within the family and I don't see any real gains from it. Edited by Dinya, Feb 9 2013, 08:07 PM.
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| Earth-Destroyer | Feb 9 2013, 08:05 PM Post #1175 |
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I think having Zuul teach Katara the basic waterbending forms is a good idea. Helps reach out to Katara, and can happen at the same time that Azula is learning the froms. |
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| NSMS | Feb 9 2013, 08:05 PM Post #1176 |
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It would be infinitely more satisfying to just tell her exactly what we think of her and why, then dismiss her entirely and leave. Edited by NSMS, Feb 9 2013, 08:07 PM.
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| Bastur2 | Feb 9 2013, 08:08 PM Post #1177 |
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[X] Check in on everyone. Make sure Ty Lee is no longer freaking out, and talk to Iroh and Ozai about our new capabilities- whether we should try and hide them, how people are likely to react, etc. [X] (Somehow) find the time to make sure Zuul is settling in, reasonably comfortable, and not making trouble. [X] Test out our new air/lightning bending. Don't push it- just try to get a basic idea of what we're capable of. [X] Ask uncle whether he knows where we might be able to get more airbending scrolls. [x] get Zuko some new swords. |
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| Firnagzen | Feb 9 2013, 08:09 PM Post #1178 |
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I am immensely entertained by Ozai's what-is-this-I-don't-even reaction. Suck it up, you daft flat-world-atheist! |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 9 2013, 08:11 PM Post #1179 |
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Hey, now that we're on SB we can get away with buying Zuko sheaths for his swords. |
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| GoC | Feb 9 2013, 08:12 PM Post #1180 |
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Killing Ursa has been one of Azula's goals for a loooong time. Edited by GoC, Feb 9 2013, 08:58 PM.
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| Redon | Feb 9 2013, 08:13 PM Post #1181 |
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Yes, let's prove them right, that's a great idea. |
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| Nightblade | Feb 9 2013, 08:14 PM Post #1182 |
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I just thought of something creepy. Doesn't Azula look alot like her mother. Kind of says some about Zuko and how eager he was to get engaged. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 9 2013, 08:17 PM Post #1183 |
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Send her a teacher she dislikes intensely. Both a punishment and a reward at the same time. She'll resent us for it, but be thankful at the same time. Don't try to fundamentally change our relationship with Katara. It's fine to spend our time insulting each other if we manage to remove the bite from it. More than affection, we need gratitude, no matter how grudgingly it is given. I want Katara to feel indebted to us. That'll get her on our side much more effectively than a few talks. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 9 2013, 08:24 PM.
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| Dinya | Feb 9 2013, 08:17 PM Post #1184 |
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I would expect the swords to be sold (or commissioned) together with fitting sheaths, already. Why would he need extra ones? |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 9 2013, 08:20 PM Post #1185 |
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....Maybe give him nicer ones? With our colors on them? Yeah, this is pretty blatantly innuendo, but hell. They're already sharing a bed. |
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| sworded | Feb 9 2013, 08:21 PM Post #1186 |
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Giveing Zuko a sheath for his swords might be interpreted as an indication that Azula wants to 'sheath' his 'sword'. |
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| Redon | Feb 9 2013, 08:22 PM Post #1187 |
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And they are still under age, and this is still creepy. |
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| NSMS | Feb 9 2013, 08:23 PM Post #1188 |
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And Azula, quite apart from the age issue, simply isn't ready for that sort of physical or emotional intimacy. In other words... nooooooooooo. Edited by NSMS, Feb 9 2013, 08:24 PM.
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| Nightblade | Feb 9 2013, 08:24 PM Post #1189 |
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Yeah going to have to vote no on the whole sheath thing. Getting him two sets of swords. one set steel. The other set iron. i am okay with that. |
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| Earth-Destroyer | Feb 9 2013, 08:25 PM Post #1190 |
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Any good sword Smith has sheath's custom made for their blades. |
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| Dinya | Feb 9 2013, 08:25 PM Post #1191 |
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That's irrelevant. Killing Zuko had also been 'one of Azula's goals for a loooong time'. I am asking why we should want to do it. Why would we want to take extra steps to help Azula kill Ursa? I see no reason for it. |
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| Border42 | Feb 9 2013, 08:26 PM Post #1192 |
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Fish out of gap.
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Question, what is age of consent in the Fire Nation? And I thought I had left the whole "creepy" phrase behind at SB. :frown: I just wish people would use another adjective. Disturbing? Perverted? Weird? Just stop sounding like a bad news column please. |
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| Aranfan | Feb 9 2013, 08:26 PM Post #1193 |
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Where is my like button? |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 9 2013, 08:27 PM Post #1194 |
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Meh. Azula gave Iroh, her uncle, the medieval equivalent of a porno mag before she even hit puberty. She's marrying her brother as a political move, and also because she's one of the few people she gives a damn about. They're already discussing children. Quite honestly, yes, it is still creepy, but we passed that horizon a long time ago. |
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| mc2rpg | Feb 9 2013, 08:29 PM Post #1195 |
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I'm not sure what the age of consent is for fire nation, but it can't possibly be that much higher than Azula's current age. If we were in the earth kingdom we would have been married for years by now. |
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| NSMS | Feb 9 2013, 08:29 PM Post #1196 |
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All of that was either accidental creepiness (the doll), or came about due to non-creepy reasons (Zuko needing to know about our deal with Navi). The sheath thing is far more blatant and deliberate. |
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| biigoh | Feb 9 2013, 08:30 PM Post #1197 |
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Got a point there. And really... getting swords for Zuko means that they come with sheaths. You don't just give swords plain without their sheaths... y'know. |
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| NSMS | Feb 9 2013, 08:32 PM Post #1198 |
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Yep. So why are people suggesting buying him them seperately, when they'd come with the swords? Edited by NSMS, Feb 9 2013, 08:32 PM.
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| ScAvenger001 | Feb 9 2013, 08:33 PM Post #1199 |
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Is there a proper method for disposing of ruined swords? We should take our old hilt and bury it with honors or something, since it truly did its duty in our (Zuko's) time of need. Like her or not, Zuul is our responsibility and we need to do something with her other than patting her on the head and having her sit in the corner. She won't put up with that indefinitely. I'm in favor of sending her to Lo and Li: they can teach her "proper" firebending, and at the same time they're probably qualified to mine the worthwhile parts of her bastard waterfirebending. Meanwhile we've already got some airbending scrolls, don't we? Or was it just the air-sword scroll that we already gave to Zuko? We should definitely get some advice from Iroh on how best to proceed. Earlier someone mentioned that we should ask Ozai to cancel the bounties on airbenders if those are still a thing, and that seems like a good thing to reiterate. [X] Check in on everyone. Make sure Ty Lee is no longer freaking out, and talk to Iroh and Ozai about our new capabilities- whether we should try and hide them, how people are likely to react, etc. -Get Iroh's advice on how to proceed for further airbending training -Try to get Ozai to make airbending politically acceptable [X] Send Zuul to Lo and Li, so that she can learn and they can evaluate her style. Let her know that they taught Azula, that should help her respect them. [X] Test out our new air/lightning bending. Don't push it- just try to get a basic idea of what we're capable of. [x] Head to Yu Dao --Iron sword for us --Special iron-core steel swords for Zuko --Sheathes included, innuendo free --Dispose of our old sword with whatever honors are appropriate Edited by ScAvenger001, Feb 9 2013, 08:38 PM.
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| Alratan | Feb 9 2013, 08:37 PM Post #1200 |
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Chibi already told us that Azula won't be capable of giving the sheaths as a present for years, given the implications and her intimacy issues. Let's drop the issue for now. Moving on to training. This is how the spirit that Zuko cut a deal with described himself as:
Zuko may well have gained air as well as shadow bending. It's probably worth investigation to see if he can also benefit from any information Azula gathers about the subject. He might also have an affinity for mental bending using shadows. Edited by Alratan, Feb 9 2013, 08:40 PM.
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