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| Azula Quest; A princess is you? | |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM Post #1 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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Posted Image I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from. Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course. Story Alone, right from post numero uno. Azula. 15 years old. Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC Master Firebender [23/6] -"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???] -"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???] -"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???] -"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???] --"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???] -"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???] -"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???] -"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???] -"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X] -"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???] -"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???] -"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?] Air Bender [4/?] -"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???] --"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???] --"???" Electro-Net. [1/???] Advanced Etiquette [2/2?] Spiritualism [3/3?] Leadership [6/???] Politics [6/???] "Agressive Self Defense" [3/???] -Unpleasant Surprises [2/?] Strategy [4/???] Logistics [2/???] Second Child Arts [1/???] Somewhat Cultured [4/???] Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???] Creepy child. Praise the Sun. Fire Good. ... Jealous. So jealous. Once burned, twice....? Tea-sipper. Ruby Butterfly. Divine Right of Kings? Cap'n Jin. Toph Customer, or some other pun. Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy. Lotus Initiate. Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much. Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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| Redon | Feb 10 2013, 02:12 AM Post #1301 |
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I take it then, you focused on my line alone and none of the rest of the conversation that went with it, nice. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 02:16 AM Post #1302 |
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If the Avatar tried to train Azula in airbending, I think it'd go something like this: "Just let it all go. No restraints, no control, just freedom," Aang repeated for what was possibly the hundredth time. After failing for so long, Azula finally gave in to frustration and replied through gritted teeth: "I can't!" Puzzled by the sudden outburst, the Avatar quizzically asked: "Why not?" "Because that control is all that's keeping me from burning you and everybody else I meet to a crisp!" "What.." "I'm a monster, okay!? If I'd give in to what I wanted, there would nothing left of the world, but ashes and the sweet smell of burnt flesh!" With that final statement, Azula stood up and stalked away from the horrified air nomad. Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 10 2013, 02:19 AM.
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| Guile | Feb 10 2013, 02:28 AM Post #1303 |
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Could you be more specific about what I should have been paying attention to? There was talk about fitting two swords in one sheath and swords being commissioned with sheaths, but neither seemed particularly applicable when my point was that commissioning a sheath for him is just something to get him thinking of us (and grateful to us) when he practices. The rest of the conversation as I saw it was just repeating that buying him a sheath was apparently more creeper territory than getting Iroh an anatomically-correct doll. Edited by Guile, Feb 10 2013, 02:31 AM.
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| Redon | Feb 10 2013, 02:34 AM Post #1304 |
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Maybe you could try reading the post 2 above it and 5 below it to get the full context of what they were implying, and MAYBE try to remember that this is a conversation that's happened in the past, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 10 2013, 02:34 AM Post #1305 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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[x] Air. You don't really get what you're doing wrong. You spend all morning at it, before breaking for lunch, only to see no real greater effect in the bending. Well, of bending the air, anyway. Lightning, by contrast, seems to come forth twice as quickly and easily, with the drain from creating it simply slashed. So you're good, there. But the air... there's something you're missing. How is it that that nomad brat can effortlessly summon and control the winds to his whim, when you can barely make more than the puff of air that would come from swinging your arms? The best result you get is one instance where you nearly blow yourself into a wall. But that's not controlling the air. That's the wind controlling you. And that is unacceptable, you can't allow it. You take a break over lunch, and then contemplate matters as you return to a few tentative experiments. There seems to be nothing, really, stopping you from bringing forth fire and lightning at the same time, though both seem to be weakened by doing so. --- [ ] ??? |
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| Carrnage | Feb 10 2013, 02:38 AM Post #1306 |
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[X] don't control the air merely guide it along the path you have prepared for it. |
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| Redon | Feb 10 2013, 02:39 AM Post #1307 |
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[x] Go find out what the rest of our group is up to, we don't need to learn air bending in a day.
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| Border42 | Feb 10 2013, 02:39 AM Post #1308 |
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Maybe check in on Zuul? Either that or see how Zuko's doing with his new shinies. |
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 02:40 AM Post #1309 |
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[x]Don't control the air. Be the air. [x]If this doesn't help, go from another direction. Fire bending comes from breath. You breath air. Go back through that connection. |
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| Pipeman | Feb 10 2013, 02:45 AM Post #1310 |
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[x] Concentrate on doing more elaborate things with lightning. -[x] Try some your various fire techniques with it. [x] The problem may be a lack of understanding the spiritual components of air. Just ask Navi about its nature. All I can think of right now. |
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| d.fish | Feb 10 2013, 02:47 AM Post #1311 |
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Oh my god, this is like watching the Legend of Korra all over again. Ugh. |
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| Guile | Feb 10 2013, 02:47 AM Post #1312 |
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[X] Leave Air be for now. Perhaps what we are missing will come to us if we don't force it. [X] Check in with everyone else. Except Ozai, I suppose he has things on his mind. Just because Toph and Mai aren't demonstrative like Ty Lee doesn't mean you weren't sucked into the spirit realm in front of their eyes while they were powerless to stop it yesterday. Yes? That was the point I was attempting to make: that buying him a sheath implying 'Azula wants to be a sheath for your sword' is reading too far into things that don't exist. That the original conversation - in the past, like you say - was also flawed in that if you search hard enough, you could find subtext for just about anything anyone does. Hence, Freudian. Sometimes a sword is just a sword, not a metaphor for sex. There wasn't any outcry when she bought Iroh that anatomically-accurate doll 'for sailors on long voyages', but buying a sheath is going too far. Edited by Guile, Feb 10 2013, 02:49 AM.
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| Redon | Feb 10 2013, 02:47 AM Post #1313 |
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Underage children, grown men, SLIGHTLY different situation there. I'd have absolutely no problem with the innuendo (well beyond my distaste for the sibling thing) if they had waited 3 years for Azula to be the right age for it.
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 10 2013, 02:50 AM Post #1314 |
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[x] Concentrate on doing more elaborate things with lightning. -[x] Try some your various fire techniques with it. [x] The problem may be a lack of understanding the spiritual components of air. Just ask Navi about its nature. |
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| Scope | Feb 10 2013, 02:52 AM Post #1315 |
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[X] You have a bunch of scrolls on Air Bending, maybe there is some about the philosophy behind it? Spend a few hours on it before searching out Zuko or something. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 02:53 AM Post #1316 |
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I wonder if location would help in reaching the right mental state. Perhaps if we take the Butterfly to a higher altitude where there's more wind. Get into the thick of it, if you will, to see if something clicks. Combine it with meditation, breathing exercises and such. Fire is something that needs to be controlled to work, but it will never truly submit. Wind on the other hand fails to work if you try to control it, as that is against its aspect. Hell, trying to control it too much seems to make it lash out. Now, how would we go about reaching a state where we wouldn't try to control it? A bit difficult, given that control is pretty much Azula's area of expertise. Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 10 2013, 02:54 AM.
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 10 2013, 02:54 AM Post #1317 |
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At least we have a better reason at sucking at it than she does; what with Fuujin hating our guts and our own mental issues. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 10 2013, 02:55 AM Post #1318 |
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Actually, we only have two IIRC: one basic airbending form we've already memorized, and the sword kata that called for a sword without a blade. |
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| Scope | Feb 10 2013, 02:56 AM Post #1319 |
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Then look for Iroh or something. Maybe he knows something. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 02:57 AM Post #1320 |
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Iroh seems to be busy at the moment, probably dealing with Ozai. |
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| Larekko12 | Feb 10 2013, 02:58 AM Post #1321 |
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[x]Err This is frustrating. Go Flying. That Should be relaxing. |
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 02:58 AM Post #1322 |
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Ok, how about: [x] Look for scrolls on Dragons. Those are important. [x] Fire Bending comes through breath. You breath air. First step to bending air would be breath, or at least it may be. Try controlling air you breath out. [x]Still air cannot be controlled. Not like fire. It spreads. It is invisible and untouchable. The only time it even approaches the controlled flow is when you move it at great speeds. [x]Fly up high in the air and dance amongst the air currents. [x]Spend time with Toph and Mai. [x]Go get Iroh's scrolls on air nomads / benders. He studied them. He has the material. Before studying the bending itself, study those who have done it. |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 02:59 AM Post #1323 |
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On the Airbending, remember that Zuko worked out that cutting the air technique? Sure, he's using Firebending to do it, but hopefully the understanding of air that must require will give us some insight. We should ask him. Would also give us chance to give him a hand with shadow bending. Might be worth pointing out the shadows inside him, if he's not thought of that. Also, ask Iroh. He's studied Airbending, at least a bit. Starting with breath control, and the principles of dragon's exhalation would also be a good idea. Edited by Alratan, Feb 10 2013, 03:04 AM.
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 03:04 AM Post #1324 |
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What we should do, if there is no crisis we need to handle, is to go around air temples (I stated multiple reasons above) and search for Air Benders in hiding (if, and only if Ozai rescinds the bounty / kill order on them) to bring them into the fold. So we could get Fuujin's favor too. |
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| Redon | Feb 10 2013, 03:05 AM Post #1325 |
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Note something about breath control, mainly the "control" part of it, then think about airbending's philosophy. |
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| HighMongrel | Feb 10 2013, 03:06 AM Post #1326 |
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Airbending, I'm not seeing us getting very far if at all by ourselves. Maybe Iroh will have something, maybe not. Either way it would be second hand. Personally I'd rather do something rather then be so focused on something we don't even know where to start. Improving fire or lightning techs, preferably butterflies or voice of command myself. Still don't know what voice of command actually is. Also there's still the whole Joo Dee thing. But if people really want to go airbending, then I'd almost prefer sending a message to the NWT requesting a meeting with the avatar, if only to explain recent events and get some stories. |
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| Border42 | Feb 10 2013, 03:08 AM Post #1327 |
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There was an actual debate over the innuendo of buying a sheath for Zuko? Really people? Really? I mean, it's just innuendo, not something that actually is going to happen. I know SB is draconian, but that might still be taking it a bit far... |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 03:13 AM Post #1328 |
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I think that, if we don't look for low hanging fruit, we should follow up on heat bending, and take ourself off to Yu Dao ASAP. We can then get the swords and investigate what the masters there are up to. We don't want to get too far from the capital. I think we want to be here when Rin gives birth. That pretty much excludes going to Aang. We don't want training from him anyway - Appa's the teacher we want. On Airbending and freedom, note that there are different styles of bending each element. You don't have to bend fire using hate, it's just the easiest way for soldiers to do it. That's what we may need to find with air. I doubt Azula would ever be compatible with the Air Monk style, so she either needs to develop her own, or to get some more scrolls about earlier techniques. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 03:13 AM Post #1329 |
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Iroh and Ozai are busy. From what I understand, nobody knows we're an airbender. Zuko only knows that some of our children might be. We have absolutely no pressing issues to deal with, just some things that are ongoing, like heatbending or Joo Dee. Right now, we could probably just leave a note and take off somewhere for a bit, though I imagine both Iroh and Ozai would be a tad bit miffed at that. |
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| serapheus | Feb 10 2013, 03:19 AM Post #1330 |
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No debate, not really. Chibi posted that information when someone suggested buying a sheath for Zuko, due to how the in game fire nation nationals would respond to that kind of gift. |
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 03:23 AM Post #1331 |
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Both Ozai and Iroh know. They were disbelieving at first, but you convinced them:
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 03:26 AM Post #1332 |
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Umm, that isn't about airbending. That is about us being willing to eat a bird after lightning bolting it if we didn't get some food, pronto. We never actually told anybody about us being an airbender. Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 10 2013, 03:26 AM.
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 03:30 AM Post #1333 |
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Sorry, misread that. We should, then. Because, as discussed before, this is not something to be hidden away in fear / shame. This is a political and spiritual coup of centuries, nay, millenia. |
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| UberJJK | Feb 10 2013, 03:31 AM Post #1334 |
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No they don't. That quote was about how hungry Azula was. She threatend to start shooting down birds to eat if they didn't feed her soon. Edit: damn ninja! Edited by UberJJK, Feb 10 2013, 03:32 AM.
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 03:32 AM Post #1335 |
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Yup, we should. Problem is, Ozai and Iroh both seem to have vanished before we could and are now busy, so no chance to tell them about it until they stop doing what they're doing and make some time. |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 03:32 AM Post #1336 |
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There was a suggestion above to get Ty Lee to look at our aura. Given what happened last time, that seems like a bad idea, but getting her to take a look at Ozai and Zuko's aura would be a good idea. I'm also curious if, by doing this, Zuko has also cast off the chains of destiny. I can't see the destiny spirits' plan include him rushing into the spirit world to save Azula, or making a contract to gains shadow bending. Ozai may have done something similar by recognising spirits exist. Alternatively, Zuko may have a destiny to be Azula's equal, so any power-ups we get he will get an equivilent one. That does make things more efficient, if a touch frustrating for her. It's also quite possible that he actually is just that good. We should get someone to read out the earth bending scrolls we recovered to Toph. We also need to talk to her about some public works in the capital. If there are any slums, then they could do with being cleared and replaced by decent housing. We might as well build the foundations for the Fire Nation to accept earth bending when the war is over. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 10 2013, 03:33 AM Post #1337 |
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[x]Practice self defense with Mai and Ty Lee. [X] Tell the servants to send Zuul to you the minute she gets back to the palace. [X] Go flying. See if your new relationship with air has changed anything. I'm wary of leaving for anywhere until we've dealt with Zuul. But that shouldn't take too long. |
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| Pipeman | Feb 10 2013, 03:37 AM Post #1338 |
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The was about
Not that we're an airbender now. Ozai is, most likely, still somewhat too busy with the whole "spirits are real thing" to properly think about what Raijin did with us. We're still alive, so the issue is postponed until he has dealt with adjusting policy on spirits and sages. And while Iroh most likely knows we probably earned Raijin's favour, he might not have made the conclusion to 'Azula is now a fully fledged airbender', yet, seeing how he is also busy with reassuring Ozai and, presumably, educating him on spirit matters. So, running off on our own to a place, where Fuujin, who, by the way still hates our guts, has great power, without dealing with the Zuul issue first or talking with anyone except Zuko about the airbender thing, after a single day of trying on our own and failing, seems like a bad idea. Edited by Pipeman, Feb 10 2013, 03:39 AM.
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 03:38 AM Post #1339 |
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True. Which is why we should work on air bending now. Extensively. So, when we go to Ozai / Iroh, we could demonstrate to them our bending. So there's absolutely no doubt we can do it. So: [x]Fire Bending comes from breath. You breath Air. Air bending is bending air. Thus, the closest point of contact between pure air and fire bending should be the breath control. Try to control air you inhale and exhale, the air in your lungs, etc //Potential future BS technique - hyper oxygenation of blood for some additional physical power. [x] Go flying .When you fly far enough, try floating without actively beating your wings. [x]Read through scrolls you can find. Perhaps the sword form one? It is more violent, with more purpose than other ones. You may do better with it. [x] Have Ty lee very carefully study both yours and Zuko's auras, if she is willing. [x] Find Toph. Ask her if your heartbeat has changed. |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 03:40 AM Post #1340 |
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We really shouldn't go far at all. I think that it would be a good idea to be around the palace with Rin heavily pregnant and when she gives birth. We've also got an open request for information on heat bending, and Sozin's papers should be here in the capital. Given the timing of the comet, improving our Fire Bending will probably have bigger payoffs than our air bending. There is no urgency to it I see. If we tell Ozai we're now an airbender, there's no reason not to believe us. We should also find out who sent the assasin after Zuul. It was probably Ozai, as she's not had time to annoy anyone else, which is a bit awkward. Edited by Alratan, Feb 10 2013, 03:43 AM.
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 03:40 AM Post #1341 |
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I already changed my vote. We need to get some pure air bending before we talk to Iroh and Ozai, and we need to talk to them as soon as they are available. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 03:46 AM Post #1342 |
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[X] See if there are any scrolls about airbending stored away in the palace. Conquerors like to loot, so it's quite likely there are some. [X] Board the Butterfly and take it to a higher altitude for meditation, breathing exercises and some flying. You know, perhaps we could pull off some airbending with by relying on something like the cold fury of a storm. The air hippies were all about freedom and pacifism, so perhaps we could approach it from the angle of brutal winds. Destructive tornadoes, gale force winds, hurricanes, etc. Ignore the freedom aspect and go with fury. It'll still involve loosening our control, but at least it can be directed a bit. |
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| Larekko12 | Feb 10 2013, 03:47 AM Post #1343 |
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Yo. We can tell in the meta sense what flying needs. An instructor can only help. She needs to relax and let the wind guide her then be guided in turn. To be a hyper fun raging firestorm going in all za directions is likely how'd she'd mix them. Her styles that is. But for many good reasons she's a tightly wound spring of laser focused death. So let's take a break and go flying. In the air. On our wings. That's relaxing. And has you in the Air. Away from people. Detached from the planet. Where you can let go. And Toss it All away. Did I beat that enough? Effortless Effort. Go flying to go flying That's it. Do it to chillax. |
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 03:47 AM Post #1344 |
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We need it demonstrable, so we can show it off (to him, and, later, during a great celebration if one is made). The urgency is also that we need t find living airbenders and get Aang on our side. Which we'll have far easier a time with if we have actual airbending. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 10 2013, 03:54 AM Post #1345 |
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That's actually a decent idea. Find a storm and lose ourselves in it? Still, not something we should do before dealing with Zuul. Girl's our responsibilty and dammit, if we're not killing anyone, she doesn't get to either. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 10 2013, 04:08 AM.
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| Larekko12 | Feb 10 2013, 03:54 AM Post #1346 |
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Ignoring the freedom aspect won't work cause even the fury of the raging winds is an expression of it's freedom Maybe the utterly detached and loose fury of the storm, a sort of nihilistic wrath were you don't give a flying shit would work. It should also cause damage compared to the Avatar State Scaled down. Hey theory. Maybe Aang loose freedom of wind style detachment and slack of emotional control made him prone to just swinging into that with stupid ease, which is why he gets the avatar state so easily, but Korra who is more more physical and grounded and controlled due to going through all of the more terrestrial bending style stays herself more? |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 03:57 AM Post #1347 |
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Why? I think that at the moment Ozai would simply believe her. What's his daughter being an airbender compared to learning his entire view of the nature of the world is wrong? I think we can pursue heat bending or try to master lightning in preferred to this. There's also the fact that hitting Ozai with another big shock right now might not be a good idea. We do need to arrange a keeper for Zuul. Someone who can teach her etiquette and appropriate behaviour. I still think Iroh is the best candidate. His wife's been dead for a long time now, after all. If Iroh's busy, then Rin can probably reccomend someone. On Katara, I wonder if we could get her to 'volunteer' to work at a hospital for the poor of the Fire Nation. That'll keep her busy, make her think she's doing good, and demonstrate to her that citizens of the Fire Nation are people too. It should also minimise the chances of her seeing Zuul firebend, which is a good thing. On a total subject change, if we learn heat bending, then someone with heat+lava+her technique could probably make lava power armour. Not that useful for us, but Zuko might find it amazingly useful |
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| Yog | Feb 10 2013, 04:00 AM Post #1348 |
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We are still waiting for the heat bending instructions. |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 04:03 AM Post #1349 |
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You've not given a reason why we need to give a demonstration to Ozai. Also, there are no living airbenders to find apart from Aang. I think we've been given a pretty heavy hint that, like the ancestors of the SWT, and survivors of the genocide fled cross-time. Given Aang's reaction to our fire wings, I very much doubt that us developing (stealing) air bending is going to encourage him to like us. Quite the opposite, I suspect.
We've put word out. We may want to explore some of the other options, like going to Yu Dao, or reading Sozin's papers. Edited by Alratan, Feb 10 2013, 04:05 AM.
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 10 2013, 04:06 AM Post #1350 |
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[x] Training is going to get you nowhere without a teacher, or at least an example. [x] Focus on your friends for now. [x] The Avatar hasn't left The Northern Water Tribe? Send him a message saying you wish to parley. -------------- Epsilon |
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