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| Azula Quest; A princess is you? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM (38,713 Views) | |
| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM Post #1 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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Posted Image I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from. Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course. Story Alone, right from post numero uno. Azula. 15 years old. Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC Master Firebender [23/6] -"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???] -"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???] -"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???] -"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???] --"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???] -"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???] -"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???] -"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???] -"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X] -"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???] -"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???] -"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?] Air Bender [4/?] -"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???] --"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???] --"???" Electro-Net. [1/???] Advanced Etiquette [2/2?] Spiritualism [3/3?] Leadership [6/???] Politics [6/???] "Agressive Self Defense" [3/???] -Unpleasant Surprises [2/?] Strategy [4/???] Logistics [2/???] Second Child Arts [1/???] Somewhat Cultured [4/???] Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???] Creepy child. Praise the Sun. Fire Good. ... Jealous. So jealous. Once burned, twice....? Tea-sipper. Ruby Butterfly. Divine Right of Kings? Cap'n Jin. Toph Customer, or some other pun. Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy. Lotus Initiate. Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much. Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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| Redon | Feb 10 2013, 07:11 PM Post #1451 |
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Personally, I don't want to give her to the twins, they'll beat out her unique style if we do. |
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| Bastur2 | Feb 10 2013, 07:11 PM Post #1452 |
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[X] Visit to the Northern Air Temple! In the Iron Butterfly! - - Bring EVERYONE along... - - If Zuul doesn't return soon enough for the flight, ask Rin to tel her that she's getting bending lessons with the 'twins' like you did. Not allowed to hurt them... no matter what. this is important in a ooc knowledege kinda a way... as we didn't take Ba Sing Sai(?), with the help of the mechanist the war invasion during the eclipse could go unimpeded for the most part. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 10 2013, 07:13 PM Post #1453 |
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No leaving without Zuul. Iroh has quite firmly told us that leaving her alone is unwise, and we really cannot expect her to obey us through a LETTER. She strikes me as the type who needs to see the order. Avatar is important, but just leaving Zuul with nothing but written instructions strikes me as a bad idea. Especially if she gets rebellious and needs to be forced to submit. She's a powder keg and we're the most reliable way to keep her from detonating. Neglecting her is just asking for her to be turned against us as one of Aang's companions. Spirits will see an opportunity with her, and without her sticking around us and affected by our charisma and whatnot, she will be more easily turned. Don't take her obedience for granted. It is BEGGING for us to be bitten in the ass for it. |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 07:13 PM Post #1454 |
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Bring Katara along is a bad idea. She still hates us. Set her up in a hospital here, and make her useful without telling her where we're going. We can even ask her if she wants to come on another trip with us without telling her who we're visiting in a way that makes sure she won't come. If Aang asks where she is, we can tell him the truth, pacifist that he is, he probably would think no more about it if she says she preferred helping out in the hospital to coming with us. Bringing Ty Lee is a reasonable idea. The Avatar likes her. We can see if the girl with him gets jealous of her. Bringing Mai is overkill. We can deploy her more usefully in the capital Aang has clearly been moving on - he's found a new girl, after all. Zuul should also certainly not come along to meet the avatar. She'd massively piss him off. Oh, and if we're going, we should consider if that means writing Rin and our possible half siblings off if Ursa comes around to remonstrate. |
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| Garlak | Feb 10 2013, 07:14 PM Post #1455 |
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We learned everything we could from the Twins at age 8 or so. But before that, we had actual Firebending instructors. Honestly I don't think the Twins will do well; especially as they're more about teaching fighting, rather than Firebenders themselves. I think Zuul would just lash out. |
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| Earth-Destroyer | Feb 10 2013, 07:17 PM Post #1456 |
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I think its better to send a letter to the avatar requesting to meet us Yu Dao, rather then going to the air temple. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 10 2013, 07:19 PM Post #1457 |
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I agree. It sounds like a good halfway point, we can show off the sites, and we wanted to visit anyways. |
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 10 2013, 07:19 PM Post #1458 |
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[x] Send a letter to the Air Temple, saying you would like to speak to the Avatar if he would be willing to wait a few days for you to arrive. [x] Wait for Zuul to show up. [x] Bring Joo Dee and your posse (minus Katara, no need antagonizing dad again) to the Air Temple. ----------- Epsilon |
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| NSMS | Feb 10 2013, 07:20 PM Post #1459 |
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[X] Try water healing and VoC on JD. If we can figure out a way to make our inner storm (or whatever we now have) do something, then we should try that too. [X] Get word sent when Zuul returns. We need to talk to her- not tell to her off for defending herself against the assassin, but to discuss what exactly we're goign to do with her. [X] Send a letter to Aang, requesting that he waits at the northern air temple so we can meet with him. Edited by NSMS, Feb 10 2013, 07:21 PM.
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| Liam-don | Feb 10 2013, 07:21 PM Post #1460 |
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We could break her for good.
Aang actually knows airbending though, instead of our random fumblings. |
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| drake_azathoth | Feb 10 2013, 07:21 PM Post #1461 |
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[X] Biigoh's plan [X] Practice your air bending around Joo Dee. Remember what it's like to fly when you do that. [jk]Tell Katara you can now airbend because you ate Avatar Aang. [jk]When Zuul shows up, tell Katara Zuul is her aunt. Edited by drake_azathoth, Feb 10 2013, 07:22 PM.
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 07:23 PM Post #1462 |
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We should probably wait and give any orders in person, if we go. However:
Kill her then. Seriously. If you think she's that much of a threat she's too dangerous to live. We're just too busy to mind her like that. She's a liability if this is the case. More plausibly, after Iroh's little display he's easily capable of keeping her in-line. Azula has just had it demonstrated that she's a long, long way down the fire bending totem pole, and Zuul's even lower.
We can't let her to meet the Avatar. If there's anyone guaranteed to make him think the Fire Nation are irredeemable animals it's her. If the spirits will see an opportunity with her left behind, they'll see even more of an opportunity with him right there next to her.
We need to find some way to delegate supervising her. Now we have airbending to learn, and Zuko has shadowbending, I'm not seeing much point in keeping her around. I was previously thinking that her style might work very well for Zuko after we had worked out heat bending, but now I'm not seeing him having time to learn. What Zuul needs isn't to be taught more firebending, or combat. She needs to be taught to behave. I really wish we'd learned chi burning flames when we could. That may we might be able to develop something to burn out her bending now. Edited by Alratan, Feb 10 2013, 07:25 PM.
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 07:25 PM Post #1463 |
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Huh, so we might get rid of Jo Dee's conditioning just by being near her. Perhaps we should just talk to her? No interrogation, no questioning, just talk to her about inane and meaningless things, like how the weather is today or tell her some stories and such. Might be a bit OOC, but given how we are determined to break down that conditioning as well as completely sickened by it, I'm sure we will be willing to do so. |
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| Keeper of Storms | Feb 10 2013, 07:25 PM Post #1464 |
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[x] Write a letter to Aang informing him of our intent to visit him at the temple. [x] Wait for Zuul to get back from her expedition, continue training while waiting. [x] Gather everyone and head to the temple. I think Azula needs to go for a nice and long fly to truly understand wind. Either that or get thrown into a storm. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 10 2013, 07:26 PM Post #1465 |
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Airatan, Iroh has already explained, quite clearly, why he should not be supervising Zuul. We're not getting rid of her, we were told quite clearly why we cannot delegate supervising her, and killing her for the crime of inconvenience is going to lose us major points with our allies. She's here, we're stuck with her. Instead of taking every opportunity to ignore her, spend some time with the girl, get a handle on her personality, and start cementing her loyalty already. We have yet to hold a single conversation with the girl post-fight. This needs to be remedied. |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 07:28 PM Post #1466 |
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What's people's desire to bring "everyone" with them and take them to the temple? Why would we want Katara there? Or Zuul? Why would we even need to bring Mai or Ty Lee? We have spectacular amounts to get done. We need to delegate. We also need to not complicate matters by dragging pointless hangers on who are not our friends with us Why would we want to go to the temple in the first place? How do we know he'd still be there when we arrive. |
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| biigoh | Feb 10 2013, 07:32 PM Post #1467 |
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revised vote! [X] Fire off a letter to Avatar Aang! via Mechanist Postal Service. - - Ask him VERY politely to come visit Omashu city with the attached Bumiland (he likes amusement parks, right?). [X] Wait for Zuul to return, and be prepared to FROWN at her. [X] Meanwhile, think on what it's like to FLY FREELY, the wind moving over your body as you reach out with your inner air for Joo Dee's. Edited by biigoh, Feb 10 2013, 07:43 PM.
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| mc2rpg | Feb 10 2013, 07:34 PM Post #1468 |
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[X] See if you can stir something within Joo Dee |
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| Megaolix | Feb 10 2013, 07:34 PM Post #1469 |
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No, we have jack shit to get done. And after what just happened, you seriously think the others won't mind not with us? Social isn't about being efficient. Drill that in your head. Edited by Megaolix, Feb 10 2013, 07:34 PM.
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| ScAvenger001 | Feb 10 2013, 07:36 PM Post #1470 |
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I don't think we should go directly to the temple unless Aang invites us. Having his "turf" invaded by us evil fire-people won't make him want to cooperate with us, and of course Fuujin might kick our ass. Instead we should probably invite him to Omashu, because I don't think he's been there and from a meta perspective it's a good opportunity to get him into proximity with Bumi, who is at least willing to work with us (and who is also the one to originally suggest killing Joo Dee, if it turns out Aang couldn't do anything for her). IC it's a good spot with a brand new amusement park and a place where we can show off the whole earth nation/fire nation togetherness bit, hopefully. Edited by ScAvenger001, Feb 10 2013, 07:37 PM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 10 2013, 07:37 PM Post #1471 |
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Hmm. We can send Aang a letter offering multiple spots. Let me him pick between Omashu and Yu Dao, so he feels that he has some more freedom and is allowed to pick the more desirable option? |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 07:40 PM Post #1472 |
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[X] Send a letter to Aang, requesting that he waits at the northern air temple so we can meet with him. [X] Spend time around Joo Dee. Talk to her about inane things, see if there's a reaction. [X] Wait for Zuul to return. [X] Head off to the Northern Air Temple. Bring your friends and Zuul. No Katara. Also, see if being in the air helps with figuring out the wind aspect of airbending. Hmm, I imagine the reason airbending makes affect Joo Dee is because of the freedom aspect, compared to the total control of her conditioning. Not sure if we should bring her with, as well, so we could keep working on fixing her and maybe get Aang to help. Edit: I actually want us to go see the mechanist. He has interesting ideas and concepts. Don't really care if Aang considers it his turf. We're an airbender now as well and it is, after all, an Air Temple. Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 10 2013, 07:42 PM.
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| Liam-don | Feb 10 2013, 07:40 PM Post #1473 |
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We're technically the fastest ship in our fleet, so we'd get there faster than anyone else, but I see the point in asking him to meet us somewhere else. Omashu sounds good. [X] Fire off a letter to Avatar Aang! via Mechanist Postal Service. We have need of his help. --Ask him VERY politely to come meet us at Omashu. [X] Wait for Zuul to return, and be prepared to FROWN at her. [X]Spend the trip near Jo Dee, see if your presence affects her any further. Stoke her inner flames if there's an opportunity. Edited by Liam-don, Feb 10 2013, 07:41 PM.
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 10 2013, 07:44 PM Post #1474 |
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If Airbending is the key to working over Joo Dee's calm, then we should train lightning. Unlike Air, we're already starting a bit of progress after an hour. We know we can make something of it, given more time. And Lightning is part of Airbending. So let's buff Lightning instead of Air, and see what that does. If there's a greater effect, confirmation. If there's not, need a new hypothesis. But hey, that's the scientific method for you. |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 07:45 PM Post #1475 |
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Iroh's reasons were bullshit. With his quenching trick he's just proved that. Also, this is the Fire Nation. It seems very unlikely anyone would give a single shit how he had to dominate Zuul if he did it behind behind closed doors.
We can't afford the time to supervise her. One way or the other, she has to go. Keeping her is not a viable option with the comet coming. If she's so rabid that she can't function without us there closely supervising her she's too dangerous to be allowed to go on like this. We're the heir to the Fire Nation. We've got vastly better things to do than play babysitter. If her existence prevents that, then she's interfering, essentially, in matters of state. She can spend the rest of her life in an iron sarcophagus if that's the case.
I don't really see much value in that. We don't need her enough to justify the time investment and restrictions on our movements you're implying.
She's not really that important.
Wind Bending Lightning Bending Heat Bending Butterflies Old Man of the Mountain Joo Dee Avatar Northern Water Tribe Fong etc
When you're the heir to a country, investments of time in socialisation is about efficiency in order to maximise the advancement of the affairs of state.. For example, we've almost entirely focused on a tiny clique of people, many of them outsiders to the broader Fire Nation society, and made zero effort to get to know the major nobility, industrialists, or what government there is. We're remarkably isolated from our own government and army, when we should have been assembling our own staff of officers and experts who we could delegate tasks to and advise us on specialist subjects. We've done nothing like this. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands of people in the Fire Nation who are more important to cultivate than Zuul. We've just made no effort at all to even learn they exist. Edited by Alratan, Feb 10 2013, 07:53 PM.
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| Aranfan | Feb 10 2013, 07:48 PM Post #1476 |
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[X] See if you can stir something within Joo Dee |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 07:51 PM Post #1477 |
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The problem isn't Aang considering it his turf. The problem is the local spirits who hate us, consider it there's, have form for murdering Fire Nation visitors, and the fact that their boss hates us just as much. If we're inviting him anywhere, then Yu Dao seems the best place to go. It has a history of Earth and Fire Benders working together, and is somewhere we want to visit anyway to investigate heat bending. It's win-win. We can also plausibly invite Zuko to come along to look for some new high quality swords Edited by Alratan, Feb 10 2013, 07:52 PM.
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| NSMS | Feb 10 2013, 07:54 PM Post #1478 |
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One thing to note: before we go anywhere, we still need to talk to Iroh and Ozai about our airbending. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 07:55 PM Post #1479 |
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Flight might be the answer to Azula getting an initial handle on the wind aspect of airbending. If her issues really do revolve around the fact that she has no real freedom, due to obligations and her own decisions, than personal flight might be the key. When she is in the air, alone, she does not need to pretend to be something she isn't. She's free to be herself as long as nobody is around her. All her obligations and such would be such small things in the vast openness of the sky. There would be no need to keep every aspect of her locked up and there she can forget about every duty she has and every task she must face, at least until she comes down again. If Azula can think like that while flying on wings of fire, it might make airbending click for her. At least, that's what I think. |
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| Liam-don | Feb 10 2013, 07:56 PM Post #1480 |
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Okay, which one can we delegate to Mai, Ty Lee and Toph? Remember that was your point in the first place. |
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| Hymn of Ragnarok | Feb 10 2013, 07:58 PM Post #1481 |
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The main problem I see with this logic is that it implies that Azula's duties and responsibilities are burdens to her. As far as I can tell? She really likes what she does, aside from restraining her desire to burn everything. It's not a grind day in and day out, it's what she is and she damn well enjoys it. Basically, she strikes me as a workaholic. She likes having things to do and outlets to channel through. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 07:58 PM Post #1482 |
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I don't think it'll be as much of a problem as you think. Only one of the great air spirits hates us. The other doesn't and has blessed us with airbending. I imagine that thanks to that, any air spirit over there is going to be confused enough not to do anything. It wouldn't do, after all, for an air spirit to attack an airbender blessed by a greater air spirit. Besides, the Mechanist is helping the Fire Nation and the spirits don't mess with him, so yeah, I'm sure we'd be fine. |
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| Felius | Feb 10 2013, 08:00 PM Post #1483 |
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Visiting the temple and the avatar might be a good idea, but if we don't, it might be good to send word to the minister of war not to bother them much while the avatar is there. I don't trust him not to screw something up and get the avatar liking us less. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 08:02 PM Post #1484 |
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Perhaps. Still, if you leave that part aside. Being alone in the sky would allow her to let her true self out of the box, so to speak, even if there wouldn't be anything to burn to a cinder. We really should give it a try, at least, and see if something clicks. |
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 08:05 PM Post #1485 |
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My point was that we were too busy to babysit Zuul or have it compromise or limit what actions we can take. As for delegation: Ty Lee got on very well with the Avatar, and is exceptionally loyal to us. She may well be happy to volunteer to accompany him on his travels, guiding him away from points of particular conflict. If we were to meet him somewhere like Yu Dao, she might be able to accompany him from there. Mai's not a bender, but should be capable of chasing down rumours or Firebending schools or masters that would know something about heat bending, and searching any writings Sozin or other Fire Lords left behind for anything on the subject. Toph is just as much, if not more of a target of the Old Man as we are. Getting her the closest we can to Sage training may well be a good idea, so at least she can detect spirtual enemies coming, and know better how to combat them. As you don't appear to see spirits conventionally, this could have interesting side benefits. After Raijin's visit, Ozai would probably be amenable to making it happen. With her metal and earth bending, she's be an enormously powerful anti-spirit combatant.
Why take the risk, when we can invite the Avatar to Yu Dao after he leaves the Northern Temple. We should easily be able to make a case he'd be interested in what he sees there. It's his dream of peace in action, earth and firebenders harmoniously working together. Edited by Alratan, Feb 10 2013, 08:08 PM.
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| HighMongrel | Feb 10 2013, 08:16 PM Post #1486 |
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[x] Send a letter to the NAT requesting a meeting at ___ concerning the future of airbenders. -[x?] Attach a small section thanking the mechanist for his work on the royal butterfly? [x] In the mean time, attempt to work on Joo Dee Also, we should probably never ever let Ty lee look anywhere near our aura now if the added air has that much of an effect. |
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| Guile | Feb 10 2013, 08:17 PM Post #1487 |
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I'm rather split on if letting the Avatar know about the Mechanist's loyalties is a good thing or not, which us showing up would obviously do. Aang's been pretty friendly with our enemies, after all, and entirely lacks discretion. The Mechanist's best defense is no one knowing he's there. |
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| Megaolix | Feb 10 2013, 08:19 PM Post #1488 |
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...You want to send Ty Lee away. After clearly showing how much we're important to her when we came back from the spirit world. Are you trying to represent the part of SB that can't do social here? We are not going to send Ty Lee anywhere. Edited by Megaolix, Feb 10 2013, 08:21 PM.
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| ScAvenger001 | Feb 10 2013, 08:20 PM Post #1489 |
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Ty Lee is currently very unhappy about the idea of leaving Azula's side at all, even just for a few minutes. Signing her up for a long-term thing that will take her away from us won't be received well, no matter how well she and Aang get along. Mai: Ninja-Maid Research Assistant! This isn't bad, but it seems like a better thing to ask Iroh about. It's really more his area of expertise. I'm just not convinced that Mai has much to contribute here, though feel free to argue that point. It was my impression that Ozai doesn't particularly trust or like Toph. Well, I don't think he necessarily trusts or likes anyone, but Toph is a foreigner ex-POW. Signing her up to learn the secrets of the universe at the fire nation's expense, especially when he's just had such a radically viewpoint-altering experience on that subject, probably won't get us anywhere. In general this is probably a good idea but I don't see this specific version of the plan working. Maybe work through Zuko or (yet again) Iroh instead of Ozai? Edited by ScAvenger001, Feb 10 2013, 08:21 PM.
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| NSMS | Feb 10 2013, 08:21 PM Post #1490 |
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Aang might have been pretty friendly with our enemies, but he's also been pretty friendly with their enemies i.e. people from the fire nation. And thanks to Fong, he knows that the earth kingdom isn't exactly made up of paragons of virtue. I wonder what sort of impression he got from the NWT? |
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| Larekko12 | Feb 10 2013, 08:23 PM Post #1491 |
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[x]Just Breath in and out near her and meditate. [x]Send letter to arrange for meeting Aang somewhere. [x]Wait for the Zuul |
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| GoC | Feb 10 2013, 08:24 PM Post #1492 |
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[X] Give Ju Dee a small electric shock to see what happens. [X] Arrange a meeting with Aang. [X] Toph: sage training? [X] Whatever we do? Don't let Zuul near Aang. Edited by GoC, Feb 10 2013, 08:30 PM.
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| Megaolix | Feb 10 2013, 08:25 PM Post #1493 |
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By the way, about using lighting... You guys remember we got her in the electro-net and it did nothing? So lightning isn't going to help much here. |
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| iamnuff | Feb 10 2013, 08:25 PM Post #1494 |
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[x] try airbending at ju Dee, no need to electrocute her, that's just pointlessly cruel. |
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| Earth-Destroyer | Feb 10 2013, 08:26 PM Post #1495 |
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[X] See if you can stir something within Joo Dee. -[X] You couldn't do anything with wind before. Try it with a different mentality perhaps? Think about how Toph thinkw hen Earthbending and try moving the wind with the opposite mentality. |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 10 2013, 08:26 PM Post #1496 |
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He might stumble onto the Mechanists loyalties on his own, as well. With out us there to represent our side of things, while he has a member of the NWT with him, the result might be worse than if we met him there. Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 10 2013, 08:27 PM.
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| Alratan | Feb 10 2013, 08:29 PM Post #1497 |
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On the other hand, if we just sent a message to Aang at the Northern Air Temple, inviting him to meet us elsewhere, he probably wouldn't realise that implied the Mechanist was on our side.
Given how much Ty Lee has been obsessing about Azula, sending her on a mission for her so she can get a bit of distance for a while is probably for the best.
As I imply above, Ty Lee's current level of obsession with Azula is not healthy at all, and it's getting worse. Sending her on an incredibly important mission that would be very valuable for Azula is probably the only way to get her far enough away that she'll start recovering a bit. It's getting to the point where I'm starting to think Ozai might have a point with his warnings. She's not well, and we don't know what the progression of this could be. We wouldn't like this to go all School Days on us.
We know Iroh is crazy busy at the moment. He doesn't have time. Mai doesn't need to know much here, she just needs to co-ordinate an investigation by people who do. This kind of work is what she was trained for, after all.
Once again, Iroh is too busy. Ozai also may be the only person who can force the Fire Sages to do this. We can point out that as salt is a primary weapon against spirits, having a loyal earthbender on side would be an incredible strategic resource against hostile spirits. Ozai is nothing if not a pragmatist, after all. Edited by Alratan, Feb 10 2013, 08:30 PM.
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| GoC | Feb 10 2013, 08:31 PM Post #1498 |
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Altaran's reasons for avoiding having Zuul near Avatar are damn good ones. It also seems he's been completely correct about Zuul being more trouble than she was worth so point to him it seems. |
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| NSMS | Feb 10 2013, 08:33 PM Post #1499 |
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Actually, Alratan has a point about Ty Lee- I don't think we should send her away, but we probably do need to talk to her about the level of obsession she's developed. |
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| Guile | Feb 10 2013, 08:37 PM Post #1500 |
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I could definitely see him throwing another Avatar tantrum because 'things have changed'. Fire Nation might not even enter into it; it might be enough that the Mechanist is there. Having a 12 year old with the power of a thousand benders is a scary proposition. Who thought the Avatar Cycle was a good idea, anyway? Spirits, I suppose. Edited by Guile, Feb 10 2013, 08:38 PM.
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