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Azula Quest; A princess is you?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM (38,710 Views)
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I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from.

Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course.

Story Alone, right from post numero uno.

Azula.

15 years old.

Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC

Master Firebender [23/6]
-"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???]
-"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???]
-"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???]
-"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???]
--"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???]
-"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???]
-"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???]
-"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???]
-"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X]
-"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???]
-"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???]
-"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?]
Air Bender [4/?]
-"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???]
--"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???]
--"???" Electro-Net. [1/???]
Advanced Etiquette [2/2?]
Spiritualism [3/3?]
Leadership [6/???]
Politics [6/???]
"Agressive Self Defense" [3/???]
-Unpleasant Surprises [2/?]
Strategy [4/???]
Logistics [2/???]
Second Child Arts [1/???]
Somewhat Cultured [4/???]
Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???]

Creepy child.
Praise the Sun.
Fire Good.
... Jealous. So jealous.
Once burned, twice....?
Tea-sipper.
Ruby Butterfly.
Divine Right of Kings?
Cap'n Jin.
Toph Customer, or some other pun.
Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy.
Lotus Initiate.
Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much.
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He also needs to learn earthbending next, which means either Toph or he somehow ends up in Ba Sing Se looking for a teacher,which we do not want at all.
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There's also Bumi
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Feb 11 2013, 02:59 AM
He also needs to learn earthbending next, which means either Toph or he somehow ends up in Ba Sing Se looking for a teacher,which we do not want at all.
He already had bad experience with Earth Kingdom army that cost him the life of his friend.

Setting Toph as his Earth teacher and ourselves as his fire teacher (in exchange for air bending lessons) is a solution.

We shouldn't be moving anywhere before we can ascertain what we have done to JooDee. Because if she's sane, we can present her to Aang, and have her tell him of how Earth Kingdom is terrible (also, we should add some fire into her, as she currently lacks it, which may cause her to be absolutely subservient or something).

We should also wait for Iroh and Ozai to tell them about airbending.
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I did vote to tell Ozai and Iroh before leaving and quite honestly, if we need to prove the Joo Dee stuff to Aang, because he doesn't believe us, we have Katara and, if necessary, even Bumi.
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Feb 11 2013, 03:13 AM
I did vote to tell Ozai and Iroh before leaving and quite honestly, if we need to prove the Joo Dee stuff to Aang, because he doesn't believe us, we have Katara and, if necessary, even Bumi.
The impact of JooDee herself telling him her firsthand experience would be far greater.
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Feb 11 2013, 03:04 AM
We should also wait for Iroh and Ozai to tell them about airbending.
We should, but I'm betting they're still busy. Kind of why I want to take this trip. They should have some time for us by the time we get back.
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Feb 11 2013, 03:16 AM
We should, but I'm betting they're still busy. Kind of why I want to take this trip. They should have some time for us by the time we get back.
If we leave before we can meet with Ozai and Iroh, we should leave them a message (in code, passed through Rin) or something.

I am not at all opposed to visiting air temples (not only the northern one). I want other things too (Voice of Command mainly, as always, especially now, after we learned to use it as not-fire technique, i.e. have gotten a new avenue of inquiry besides all others we haven't explored yet), but I can live with Air temples.

On JooDee - should we tell Katara what we did? She strongly believes that bending comes from the favor of spirits. If we tell her that we got airbending from the favor of the Elder Spirit Raijin, brother of Fuujin, and that we used air bending to counter-effect the earth technique used on JooDee, it may both better our relationship with her and help her in making a correct diagnosis of JooDee's current situation.
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Not really feeling a need to tell Katara anything right now. Perhaps once we can do more than make a light breeze with our airbending. She'd probably think we're lying or doing some weird firebending thing to make it seem like we're airbending, anyway. Also, why tell her when we have yet to figure out if we want to hide our airbending or not?

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Feb 11 2013, 04:03 AM
Not really feeling a need to tell Katara anything right now. Perhaps once we can do more than make a light breeze with our airbending. She'd probably think we're lying or doing some weird firebending thing to make it seem like we're airbending, anyway. Also, why tell her when we have yet to figure out if we want to hide our airbending or not?

Mainly because she is the only one here who can tell us what is actually happening with JooDee's brain on physiological level. Katara is the only trained (well, somewhat trained... gifted at least) waterbender medic we have access to. She clearly wants to help JooDee. We got some sort of responce from JooDee and Katara has no idea what we have done and can't start understanding what is happening. If we tell her about what we did (stirring air, etc), it may help her to start making heads and tails of what is wrong / what is happening with JooDee now.
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So healed Joo dee or not, our next course of action is to talk to Aang, right?
Edited by Liam-don, Feb 11 2013, 05:11 AM.
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Feb 11 2013, 04:16 AM
So healed Jo dee or not, our next course of action is to talk to Aang, right?
Before going chasing for Aang we have to get Zuul. Not necessarily in the sense of "take her with us" but we need to know where she is and what she is doing.

I think the best plan of action for now would be:

[x]Ask Ty Lee, if she agrees, to take a brief glimpse at JooDee's aura.

[x]Ask Toph if our heartbeat is different (this is important - don't want Toph to mistake us for someone else in a combat situation).

[x]If Ty Lee agrees, have her very, very carefully look at our aura to note the changes.

[x]Send the letter to Avatar, asking him if he'll consent to meeting us in the Northern Air Temple, as we have something important do discuss with him.

[x]Go find Zuul. Without Katara.

[x]While JooDee is still unconscious, experiment with Voice of Command, its non-fire variant.

[x]Prepare the Butterfly for departure (supplies, crew, etc)

[x]Depending on JooDee's state of mind and body upon her awakening, make decision about taking her with you (if you release her / don't put the gag back in, place her on suicide watch).
Edited by Yog, Feb 11 2013, 04:31 AM.
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-rereading recent updates-

Wait a second. Aang left the Northern water tribe with a young woman in tow. This might be reaching a bit but...Yue, maybe?
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Or a Jo Dee.

Just saying, it's possible.
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Feb 11 2013, 04:44 AM
-rereading recent updates-

Wait a second. Aang left the Northern water tribe with a young woman in tow. This might be reaching a bit but...Yue, maybe?
Given Destiny - yes, quite probably. She's probably Katara's backup.

Liam-don
Feb 11 2013, 04:50 AM
Or a Jo Dee.

Just saying, it's possible.

In NWT? Well, it's possible, yeah, but very unlikely, I think.
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Feb 11 2013, 04:50 AM
Or a Jo Dee.

Just saying, it's possible.
That some strange male variant? ^U^

But yeah, I doubt that he's picked up a Joo Dee. Even in canon, which was quite a bit less spiritualized than this AU, Aang picked up some wiggyness from the Joo Dee's IIRC. I doubt he'd be able to stand being around one for any large amount of time.
Edited by serapheus, Feb 11 2013, 04:57 AM.
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[x]Ask Ty Lee, if she agrees, to take a brief glimpse at JooDee's aura.

[x]Ask Toph if our heartbeat is different (this is important - don't want Toph to mistake us for someone else in a combat situation).

[x]If Ty Lee agrees, have her very, very carefully look at our aura to note the changes.

[x]Send the letter to Avatar, asking him if he'll consent to meeting us in the Northern Air Temple, as we have something important do discuss with him.

[x]Go find Zuul. Without Katara.

[x]While JooDee is still unconscious, experiment with Voice of Command, its non-fire variant.

[x]Prepare the Butterfly for departure (supplies, crew, etc)

[x]Depending on JooDee's state of mind and body upon her awakening, make decision about taking her with you (if you release her / don't put the gag back in, place her on suicide watch).



Seems like a good plan as any.
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Asking Ty Lee to look at our aura is a dreadful, dreadful idea. It appears to break her mind. Friends don't try to destroy their friends' minds. Knowing what Azula or the Joo Dee's aura looks like isn't actually that important, and certainly not worth the damage it will do to her. Ty Lee is has been getting worse since the first time she looked at Azula's aura. Let's not accelerate the process.

Telling the Avatar we're an air bender is not a good idea. We're totally temperamentally unsuited to using the Air Monk bending style, for one thing. To make it worse, we've effectively compounded the genocide of the Air Nomads by stealing Airbending for the Fire Nation, where we're bound to defile it by using it to kill.

I don't think Aang wants there to be airbenders as a thing in themselves, he wants there to be more Airbending Air Monks/Nomads. Those are very, very different things.

Taking Zuul is also a bad idea, she's a walking, talking counter-example to our claim that integration between the various elements of benders and nations is a good idea. Her very existence, given her nature, is an argument for segregation. We should be showing Aang places like Yu Dao, which support our case, not her.

Finally, we know that the spirits of the winds around the Air Temples hate, absolutely hate the Fire Nation, and, in particular, Fire Nation royalty. Our presence is likely to stir them into a frenzy, and as the Monks were on good terms with them, they may well be able to influence Aang. If we're not there, then, due to the parochial nature of spirits, they're far less likely to rouse themselves. Remember we were explicitly warned of the dangers of these spirits.

Katara doesn't need to know we're an Airbender.

Also, we need to know how long the trip to the Northern Air Temple will take. Rin's due in a few weeks, so could give birth at any point from now. At the very least we need Katara here, and Azula and Zuko really, really should be here as well. This is a significant moment, and there's a chance that woman will intervene.

On reflection, I think we should invite the Avatar either to visit Yu Dao when he's finished wih the northern Air Temple, or to visit us here for the birth. I really don't feel comfortable leaving before Rin's children are born. It seems like begging for disaster. I shudder to think of Ozai's reaction if they are his and Ursa comes and kills or steals them.

I'm worried the Avatar is bait to lure us away so a trap can be sprung.

Edited by Alratan, Feb 11 2013, 05:55 AM.
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On asking Ty Lee. Do you not trust Ty Lee to know what is best for her? We do not order her. We ask her "if you think you can do this, a brief glimpse, without any potential consequences for yourself, and only if you are absolutely sure that this is afe for yourself, etc.".

Because we don't know what she knows about her ability. Because it is literally a sense we lack.
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I'm against having Ty Lee look at our aura.

What would it tell us? Really? It'd just have some kind-of Air or Storm-related addition to the vision, that's all. Whoop-de-doo.

What are you going to DO with that?

"Yeah there's Air/Lightning/Storm related imagery in your aura now Azula.. weerbleweerble scrulp..." *thud*

How much is that actually going to tell us that we didn't know before?



The point about the Northern Air Temple possibly being dangerous due to spirits is a good one, though. We don't want to piss them off, not until/unless we get a better idea of whether or not Raijin's approval will shield us.

It would be a reason for us to instead arrange to meet him in Yu Dao or Omashu.
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We should talk to Aang about this because if we don't and he finds out some other way that will be worse in all respects.

We spent a lot of time being honest and forthright with him. Don't fuck that up by taking something as important as the second Airbender in the world and concealing it from him. Not to mention he is the Avatar. He should know that one of his patron spirits has taken an interest in the world again.

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Haven't gotten my Chibi-Fix all day. Arrgh. Starting to get the jitters.
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Feb 11 2013, 06:08 AM
I'm against having Ty Lee look at our aura.

What would it tell us? Really? It'd just have some kind-of Air or Storm-related addition to the vision, that's all. Whoop-de-doo.

What are you going to DO with that?

"Yeah there's Air/Lightning/Storm related imagery in your aura now Azula.. weerbleweerble scrulp..." *thud*

How much is that actually going to tell us that we didn't know before?



The point about the Northern Air Temple possibly being dangerous due to spirits is a good one, though. We don't want to piss them off, not until/unless we get a better idea of whether or not Raijin's approval will shield us.

It would be a reason for us to instead arrange to meet him in Yu Dao or Omashu.
good point.
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Feb 11 2013, 06:00 AM
On asking Ty Lee. Do you not trust Ty Lee to know what is best for her? We do not order her. We ask her "if you think you can do this, a brief glimpse, without any potential consequences for yourself, and only if you are absolutely sure that this is afe for yourself, etc.".

Because we don't know what she knows about her ability. Because it is literally a sense we lack.

No, with regards to Ty Lee's judgement as regards Azula I don't trust her whatsoever. The last look at Azula's aura she took seemed to break something in her mind, and on top of that was deeply fascinating and compulsivse to keep staring at. It seems to be to be like holding out the crack pipe to an addict and saying "If you can promise me this won't hurt you, I'll hand it over.

On telling Aang. Why not simply tell him that we've received Raijin's blessing for our lightning bending, and that as we don't want to dishonour it, we'd like him to teach us the wind techniques he knows, as Wind is the brother of Lightning and there may be overlaps.

No lies, but it avoids the risk of pissing him off by telling him that the Fire Nation not only exterminated his people, but has now stolen their magic. Telling him we're doing something different but related is both true and much less likely to blow up in our face
Edited by Alratan, Feb 11 2013, 09:01 AM.
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[x] Recover Zuul. Carefully, she'll probably be grouchy over the attempted murder.
[x] Message to Aang - sorry to hear of his run-in with Fong. Got important matters to discuss, will he await us at the northern air temple?
[x] Polite message to the Machinist - we're intending to make a brief visit, any supplies we can requisition for him?

Other stuff. Apologies if coherence lacking.
- Toph; her flying is cool, but the more decoupled from the ground she is, the more vulnerable and less capable she becomes. Maybe she can use the dust-levitation trick at zero altitude, maybe along with rock armor, for Tribes-style frictionless skiing? 200 mph rugby tackles = MAXIMUM SHAZBOT.

- Ba Sing Se, taking the outer walls;
At this point, we could probably directly assault our way past anything they could put in our way. Issues; a frontal push through a magmabending (or Toph) induced breach would still face heavy, undivided resistance, and means a significant chunk of the defending force would be able to reinforce the farmland or fall back in good order to the inner walls, complicating further ops. So, not ideal.
Equally, might be able to put together a big airborne attack to circumvent their planned killing fields. Troop airships drift dark and silent over the wall at service ceiling, land, ground forces seize everything they can before the surprise wears off. Refinements involving paradrop, fastrope descent onto the wall itself, or using our earthbenders to build a reusable secure LZ on the far side of the wall spring to mind, but would be unlikely to change anything major. Issues; for obvious reasons, going in totally blind. Can't be sure about their ORBAT, layout or strength of the defenses - even the terrain's uncertain, thanks to earthbenders. Airlift capacity at a premium. Surprise will wear off, and if they've not won a decisive victory, vastly outnumbered, inside perhaps 12 hours, resupply will become troublesome and they'll get torn apart. So, also not great.
I'd suggest we overcome this by mounting two simultaneous attacks. One to bypass the wall by balloon, draw off defenders and secure comm/transport links back to the city itself, capture or kill escaping defenders. Need maybe a battalion for that, lots of mobile artillery and firebenders. Also need a good officer to lead it, somebody who can think on their feet.
The other will do the direct thing - us, Toph, every loyal earthbender we can scrape together to open breaches, lots of heavy infantry to fill them. Open the wall in as many places as possible at once, throw conventional siege gear at them at the same time - anything to divide their attention even further. Thoughts?
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We use... THE DRILL!

The mighty drill to PIERCE the walls of Ba Sing Se! from one side! And air assault from another front.
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Why not ask Aang to visit us here or somewhere half way, if we want to talk to him?

Travelling half way around the world means missing the bier of Rin's twins, which seems an exceptionally bad idea. At the very least we should ensure we are there for the birth.

The fact that shiny in the form of the Mechanist is being dangled in front of us screams trap. Remember we have no engineering skills.

There is also no urgency about talking to Aang about air bending. We can develop lightning bending without him, and given his reaction to our flying he is likely to respond very poorly to our wind bending. Even if he doesn't Azula is unsuited to learning the Air Monk Airbending style. I think she'd be better off developing her own based on breath.

What benefits worth the costs and risks do people see in meeting Aang at the temple?

I can't see any real upsides. Neither Aang nor the mechanist have anything to teach us that we can easily learn. Appa might (or might not), but it isn't urgent.
Edited by Alratan, Feb 11 2013, 10:40 AM.
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Feb 11 2013, 10:28 AM
Why not ask Aang to visit us here or somewhere half way, if we want to talk to him?

Travelling half way around the world means missing the bier of Rin's twins, which seems an exceptionally bad idea. At the very least we should ensure we are there for the birth.


That's ... tenuous, even for you.
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He might decide to look for an earthbending teacher in Ba Sing Se, because it's about the only place in the earthkingdom we didn't conquer and end up brainwashed by the Dai Lee.

I don't really see why it matters, wether we are there for the birth of the twins or not, anyways.
Sure, it'd be better, if we were, but except for us feeling awkward and having no idea what to do with these little... people, we're not going to miss anything.
And it's not like we're going to miss out on the awkwardness.
There's sure to be some left for us once we return!
Edited by Pipeman, Feb 11 2013, 10:47 AM.
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After rewatching the cartoon. How about we go visit Eastern Air temple and Guru Pathik? His philosophy (all people are truly one people, all elements are one, there is no real division, separation is false) is damn close to ours and he knows tons about chi and spiritual matters.

[x]Write to Avatar Aang. Ask him that when he decides to leave Northern Temple and travel to the Eastern one, he first writes you, as you have important, but not time sensitive things to discuss with him, and wish to visit an air temple for yourself.
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Their is no IC reason to go to the EasternAir temple.
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Feb 11 2013, 10:35 AM
That's ... tenuous, even for you.
If the destiny spirits didn't actively hate us and our country and want to destroy us, then your scepticism would be more justified.

Unfortunately, they do. Every critical point they could interfere in we need to be wary of, and we can't give hostages to fortune.

It's very likely that Ozai is the father of Rin's twins. If anything happens to them the fallout could be very nasty (I'm half expecting one of them to be a dragon, tbh), and there are all sorts of interventions that the spirits could organise that we need to be on guard for. Even if nothing goes wrong, having Azula and Zuko in the palace for the birth could be good for family relations.

It's only another month, and there's plenty to do around the capital in the interval. Aang will keep, and it would be best not to see him at the temple anyway, a place where our people exterminated his and the local spirits hate us and particularly want to destroy us. It's probably the least propitious place we can possibly tell him that we've jacked his people's bending as well as annihilated them.

It's pretty much a perfect storm of reasons for it to be the worst way of doing this. If we have to tell him, let's do it in a location that won't trigger quite so many of his issues and won't have spirits there quite so determined to push events in the worst possible direction.
Edited by Alratan, Feb 11 2013, 11:11 AM.
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That's a seriously messed up train of thought.

If you want a reason not to go to the NAT, you could just leave it at, that we should stay out of places Fuujin has power over.
No convoluted destiny paranoia involved in that.
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Feb 11 2013, 11:08 AM
If the destiny spirits didn't actively hate us and our country and want to destroy us, then your scepticism would be more justified.

Unfortunately, they do. Every critical point they could interfere in we need to be wary of, and we can't give hostages to fortune.

It's very likely that Ozai is the father of Rin's twins. If anything happens to them the fallout could be very nasty (I'm half expecting one of them to be a dragon, tbh), and there are all sorts of interventions that the spirits could organise that we need to be on guard for. Even if nothing goes wrong, having Azula and Zuko in the palace for the birth could be good for family relations.

Ozai is now aware that spirits exist, Iroh is trained to handle them and much more dangerous than us, and we're the unstable one the spirits want to shoehorn into the villain archetype (or maybe just kill). Even assuming you're right and the children are a target, our presence around the capital isn't going to make anybody safer. Quite the opposite.
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Their is no IC reason to go to the EasternAir temple.
Need I list the IC reasons again, the, what was it, fifth time? It seems I do. Ok, here goes:

1) Bury our soldiers and monks, following the example of the Avatar - as far as you know their bones are still lying there without rest. You should show special care for those monks who fought, perhaps incinerating their bodies with lightning?

2) Investigate air temple for air nomad scrolls / artifacts - now more important than ever, given that we are an air bender now

3) Investigate the usability of the Air Temple as Air Ship port / base. No desecration, but the facility is already there, and perhaps your engineers (Toph, some mechanists maybe?) could learn from the design solutions of the emple. After all, air noamds had millenia to perfect the infrastructure needed to support large air fleets (even if those were byson fleets)

4) Meet up with Avatar in the territory that would be more comfortable for him.
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I think that there are enough reasons to avoid meeting Aang at the Air Temples without the threat of the destiny spirits, but we can't just ignore that they're going to want to screw with us. It also seems likely that Ozai's a destined villain as well, and he's been going radically off script as well recently.

I strongly doubt a spirit will interfere personally, they'll send a tool - quite possibly Ursa. Whilst having Azula there for that may not help that much (lightning taser aside), Toph and Ty Lee would be very useful. Simply having more highly competent people around would help. Everyone needs to sleep sometimes, and if we go I'd give no one in the palace save our group and Iroh and Ozai a chance of intercepting Ursa.

On a side note, we have a new resource we're not using with the Joo Dee. Our mere presence as an airbender had an effect on it, which is suggestive that benders have passive effects on their surroundings. We may want to get Zuko to try shadow bending around it. The Joo Dao has no internal fires, but their absence may have left shadows that he can detect, influence or manipulate, given the nature of the spirit he's borrowing power from. He may not even need to do anything, and merely his presence may have some effect. Best not to let Katara see precisely what he's doing though.
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Hey everyone. Finally got the time to get here. How everything...

Azula became an Airbender. What.

How does that. I don't even.

...

Imma go check the archives. Right back.
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You can just as easily make an argument that the spirits interference, at the airtemples, requires Azula to go meet Aang their to prevent them from having freedom to influence events.
Edited by Earth-Destroyer, Feb 11 2013, 12:12 PM.
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Feb 11 2013, 12:11 PM
You can just as easily make an argument that the spirits interference, at the airtemples, requires Azula to go meet Aang their to prevent them from having freedom to influence events.
Indeed. Also, to counteract spirits, we need to learn more about spiritual world. Much more. Sages won't teach us, Navi is unreliable, and we have few other options short-term. Guru in the air temple knows his spirits. And may be willing to teach us.
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What the immediate plan for us?
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Feb 11 2013, 12:46 PM
Indeed. Also, to counteract spirits, we need to learn more about spiritual world. Much more. Sages won't teach us, Navi is unreliable, and we have few other options short-term. Guru in the air temple knows his spirits. And may be willing to teach us.
Didn't our people kill off his entire nation, culture and way of life?

I know he's all enlightened and stuff, but damn.
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Feb 11 2013, 01:15 PM
Didn't our people kill off his entire nation, culture and way of life?

I know he's all enlightened and stuff, but damn.
Well, for one, he isn't an air nomad, or, at least, not a bender. Wiki describes him as "spiritual brother" to air nomads (and I can't be bothered to go watch the episode again). So not "exactly" his people.

That's splitting hairs tough.

Secondly, our philosophy is likely to appeal to him. At least in part. He can read people, and appears to be less judgmental than Sunpeople Bradgons.

He is also the person who is most likely to help us both with spiritual stuff and our own "inner dragon" problem. Hell, his potential help is simply invaluable.

We also have a favor of Raijin. This has to count for something.

If we have even a slightest chance of getting help from him, I say we should do it.
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We still have no IC reason whatsoever to visit him, though.

You are also ignoring the fact that our philosophy is "everyone should follow the lead of the Fire Nation because we are superior" not "everyone should live in harmony", so there's that.
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Feb 11 2013, 01:06 PM
What the immediate plan for us?
I think the general consensus was to contact Aang and get him to teach us some airbending, because we might need some help with it.

Though, people were arguing over details like wether to go meet him at the Northern Air Temple or somewhere else and what to do with Joo Dee for now.
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I'd forgotten all about Pathik. Reading about him on the wiki, I'm all in favor of visiting him: even if he doesn't teach us airbending he'll probably be able to give us a hand with inner-dragon management, which is really even better.

Trouble is there's no IC reason to visit him. Is there a way that we can manufacture one? "We need to secure the EAT to ensure nobody like Fong has moved in and plans to use it as a sallying point against our siege of Ba Sing Se" maybe?
Edited by ScAvenger001, Feb 11 2013, 01:37 PM.
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Feb 11 2013, 01:30 PM
We still have no IC reason whatsoever to visit him, though.

You are also ignoring the fact that our philosophy is "everyone should follow the lead of the Fire Nation because we are superior" not "everyone should live in harmony", so there's that.
We have several IC reasons to visit Air Temples, however, as I demonstrated above.

And our philosophies are not the same, true, but they are close. He specifically speaks about how separation of people into four nations is a false concept.

We are just proactively reaching for the goal he could agree with.
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Problem Yog is that their really is no reason from going to the air temples. All the reason you listed are minor things easily handled by servants. None on them are important enough for Azula to go personally.
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Feb 11 2013, 01:47 PM
Problem Yog is that their really is no reason from going to the air temples. All the reason you listed are minor things easily handled by servants. None on them are important enough for Azula to go personally.
Except she's the only one besides Zuko who can personally fly up there, and there might be some airbending records or training tools left behind for her to study.
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The Eastern Air Temple is, however, on the other side of the world.

If we want to look for designs and scrolls there are three other temples not on the other side of the world to visit first and one even still has corpses in it and is, in fact, the closest to us.

Besides the reason noone has cleaned those places up is, that they are actively out to get us and while picking up the Avatar and getting him to a location good for learning earthbending might go well, spending weeks on excavation and burials will not.

And none of that adresses the fact that, as princess, such menial labour is beneath us.
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Feb 11 2013, 01:47 PM
Problem Yog is that their really is no reason from going to the air temples. All the reason you listed are minor things easily handled by servants. None on them are important enough for Azula to go personally.
Administering burial rights and looking for artifacts (especially lightning aspected ones) are not a task best handled to servant. First one is a P.R. - both with living citizens, with spirits and with avatar (since we'll be honorably burying monks too.

It is also a conevnient out of the way place to meet the avatar, access to which would be very hard for anyone without flight, I.e. everyone but us, our direct subordinates and the avatar himself.

Another reason is training equipment and surroundings. We went deep into the volcano to practice lavabending. Swords were used in our lightning training. We are familiar with the use of training tools. The place most suited to train airbending is an Air Temple.

Simply, with airships we can get there quite fast. It is a good place to meet with the avatar, especially if we want to train airbending. It has additional uses too.

It also great OOC value as a destination.
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Feb 11 2013, 01:53 PM
Except she's the only one besides Zuko who can personally fly up there, and there might be some airbending records or training tools left behind for her to study.
Of course other people can get up there without flying. How else could the northern one be inhabited?

It's only a lot harder to get there that way but I wouldn't trust our flying abilities against vengeful mountain winds anyways.
Edited by Pipeman, Feb 11 2013, 02:01 PM.
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