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Azula Quest; A princess is you?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM (38,707 Views)
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I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from.

Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course.

Story Alone, right from post numero uno.

Azula.

15 years old.

Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC

Master Firebender [23/6]
-"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???]
-"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???]
-"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???]
-"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???]
--"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???]
-"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???]
-"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???]
-"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???]
-"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X]
-"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???]
-"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???]
-"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?]
Air Bender [4/?]
-"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???]
--"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???]
--"???" Electro-Net. [1/???]
Advanced Etiquette [2/2?]
Spiritualism [3/3?]
Leadership [6/???]
Politics [6/???]
"Agressive Self Defense" [3/???]
-Unpleasant Surprises [2/?]
Strategy [4/???]
Logistics [2/???]
Second Child Arts [1/???]
Somewhat Cultured [4/???]
Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???]

Creepy child.
Praise the Sun.
Fire Good.
... Jealous. So jealous.
Once burned, twice....?
Tea-sipper.
Ruby Butterfly.
Divine Right of Kings?
Cap'n Jin.
Toph Customer, or some other pun.
Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy.
Lotus Initiate.
Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much.
Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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Feb 12 2013, 02:52 AM
Well, I'll say this.

Look at poppa Dagon. Now to Koizilla. nOw baKC to BiG daDDy DaGON.

SADlY he ISn'gh....

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Why can't Tanuki like the Red White! It's the inherent system!

Just because Tanuki money is normally of leaves doesn't mean that the Red White should smack Tanukis for donating. :3

Also... yeah... that fits. That fits in a scary way.
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Well, we do "know" that Tiamat sleeps under the sea.

Which, when you think about it, is an odd place for Fire Nation myths to place a legendary dragon.
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Feb 12 2013, 03:04 AM
Well, we do "know" that Tiamat sleeps under the sea.

Which, when you think about it, is an odd place for Fire Nation myths to place a legendary dragon.
She burns too hot for the world to be exposed to her presence. Thus, she sleeps beneaths the waves!
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Feb 12 2013, 02:21 AM
I'd probably vote to keep Azula quest here.

Simply because of the lag on SB, if nothing else. Having it be impossible to reply to the thread for a couple of random hours can get pretty annoying.
Personally I prefer the layout of SB compared to this forum. The fact that the quest would loose (more) people is another reason to stay on SB.

Of course the fact that the lag only tends to occur when I'm asleep does help.
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Feb 12 2013, 03:22 AM
Personally I prefer the layout of SB compared to this forum. The fact that the quest would loose (more) people is another reason to stay on SB.

Of course the fact that the lag only tends to occur when I'm asleep does help.
I don't know. I'm kind of fine with the fact that the people who use the word "creepy" every ten pages aren't present here. Well, most of them.

The constant haze of paranoia about what you can say over there is a bit stifling and the overreactions don't really help.
Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 12 2013, 03:39 AM.
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yeah, SB has a better layout, what with the "likes" and the alerts, ect ect ect.


but chibi has more freedom to write what he wants here, and we don't have to put up with the trolls trolling about "creepers"


and no lag.


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Yeah, no lag is a definite plus for staying here.
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I guess I'll give up on today's update and go to bed then.
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Feb 12 2013, 03:39 AM
yeah, SB has a better layout, what with the "likes" and the alerts, ect ect ect.


but chibi has more freedom to write what he wants here, and we don't have to put up with the trolls trolling about "creepers"


and no lag.




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Their business hosting, what we are looking at, is 30/month if you pay per month. It allows 200-500 concurrent connections.

Since this board has already hit 100 people online at once, we figure the business plan will be required.

And, if Wiz and I decide to pony up for it, there will be a nice little surprise for you all.


Wouldn't want to spoil the surprise, but I'll leave this here.
Edited by WizardOne, Feb 12 2013, 11:04 AM.
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biigoh
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Auuuuu~
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d.fish
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Lack of update has drained my RP juices.
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biigoh
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*snuggles the fishie!*
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Deviates, you have the same avatar as Lilithium.

What manner of cosmic alignment caused this?
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Feb 12 2013, 08:53 AM
astfgl

Deviates, you have the same avatar as Lilithium.

What manner of cosmic alignment caused this?
One beyond mortal comprehansion!
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ryuan
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So, no Azula ;-;?
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biigoh
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Azula is awaiting word from the spirit realm.
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Hymn of Ragnarok
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Hmm. Idea for broaching airbending with Aang.

If we bring Joo Dee with us, we can relate how she was brainwashed with what we suspect is an earthbending technique. She was practically dead inside. We tried for several months to try and break the conditioning, but it was only recently we had a breakthrough. The key was air techniques.

Also, we're now an airbender. We suck at it, but we were just good enough to make a breakthrough. We're hoping Aang, a master airbender and the Avatar, will be able to help Joo Dee more than us with his presence. Ours was enough to make the conditioning crack. If there's anything left over, Aang oughta be able to snap what's left.

Basically, make Aang's first impression is a person in need, we tried to help them, airbending, and yeah it's a big deal, but girl here, could use some help, have a look?

Hey, it's a better first impression than asking for lessons for personal gain. Could still use some tweaking though.
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your assuming that we DID actually heal her. rather than just drive her horribly insane.
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Actually healing her is immaterial to befriending Aang.

If we can feel wind inside her then so can Aang, even if we need to show him how.

"We're trying to fix her, I gained airbending and it got a reaction in her. So we thought to get a better airbender. Can you help her?" Or something like that, is likely to put Aang in the mindset we want him in. Even if it hurts her, he'll think we care, because he cares, and he's like that.
Edited by useless101, Feb 12 2013, 12:15 PM.
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biigoh
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Personally, it's a bad, bad idea to tell Aang that we can airbend.
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As opposed to... not telling him and waiting for him to find out on his own?
Edited by ScAvenger001, Feb 12 2013, 12:11 PM.
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Feb 12 2013, 12:10 PM
As opposed to... not telling him and waiting for him to find out on his own?
It's more based on HOW he reacted when Azula flew with him. He didn't like it that other people could fly.

You are taking away this thing he enjoyed as HIS unique specialness.
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Feb 12 2013, 12:37 PM
It's more based on HOW he reacted when Azula flew with him. He didn't like it that other people could fly.

You are taking away this thing he enjoyed as HIS unique specialness.
There's a difference. We flew with fire, stealing his people's sole prerogative. Now we have air, making us his spiritual sister or something close to it.
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Oh sure, telling him that we can airbend may well have negative consequences, but if we do it ourselves then at least we can manage the fallout somewhat. I can practically guarantee that if we don't tell him, he'll find out anyway and think even less of us for not telling him.

Put another way, us treading on his specialness might irritate him, but only at an irrational level. Us keeping secrets from him would give him a more legitimate grounds for complaint, and also prevents us from trying to spin things.

-e- and maybe Yog's right that being an airbender will make him more ok with our flying. It's kind of a coin toss, either he'll like us more or like us less, and there's not much we can do but hope for the best.
Edited by ScAvenger001, Feb 12 2013, 12:50 PM.
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Feb 12 2013, 12:47 PM
There's a difference. We flew with fire, stealing his people's sole prerogative. Now we have air, making us his spiritual sister or something close to it.
On the other hand we just stole Air from his people.
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Feb 12 2013, 12:49 PM
On the other hand we just stole Air from his people.
No Raijin forced it on us with a get up dat mountain or die and have your nation implode ultimatum. Desire never entered the equation.
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We don't tell him we can airbend, whatever we do. If we feel compelled to say anything, we tell him that Raijin blessed our use of lightning bending, granting us and our descendants a greater faculty with it. If we, for some reason want to try to learn to be an Air Nun, we can tell him that as lightning is the brother of wind, we were hoping he could show us some forms that might show us how to do more than just use it as a weapon.

That's it. He doesn't know lightning is air based, after all, and, more importanty, it isn't something he considers Air Nomad property.

Given Zuko's cutting the air trick, and our and Toph's flight, who would be capable of telling him that we're really an Airbender if we tell him the above.
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Feb 12 2013, 12:07 PM
Personally, it's a bad, bad idea to tell Aang that we can airbend.
And likewise to show Aang how to bend someone's inner nature.

You know, given he can use all four elements and thus no one is safe.
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Feb 12 2013, 01:19 PM
And likewise to show Aang how to bend someone's inner nature.

You know, given he can use all four elements and thus no one is safe.
Aaaand now I'm curious about how an Aang quest with the ruleset of Azula quest would work out. *^-^

But anyways, I'm against keeping our airbending a secret from Aang.
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Feb 12 2013, 12:47 PM
There's a difference. We flew with fire, stealing his people's sole prerogative. Now we have air, making us his spiritual sister or something close to it.
Err. No. Just no.

The way he's very likely to see it is that the Fire Nation murdered his people, has now stolen what made them distinct, and is asking him to help then to desecrating it by using it to do things they'd think were abhorrent.

This is just adding massive insult to the injury he's already suffered. It would not be irrational at all to despise us for it. We also represent a clear threat to the future of air bending, as our descendants will go on to pervert his people's art further, acting as competitors for his own descendants for the sky.
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Feb 12 2013, 01:15 PM
We don't tell him we can airbend, whatever we do. If we feel compelled to say anything, we tell him that Raijin blessed our use of lightning bending, granting us and our descendants a greater faculty with it. If we, for some reason want to try to learn to be an Air Nun, we can tell him that as lightning is the brother of wind, we were hoping he could show us some forms that might show us how to do more than just use it as a weapon.

That's it. He doesn't know lightning is air based, after all, and, more importanty, it isn't something he considers Air Nomad property.

Given Zuko's cutting the air trick, and our and Toph's flight, who would be capable of telling him that we're really an Airbender if we tell him the above.
And then Roku goes and talks with one of the avatars from far enough back to kmow anout lightning =air or Aang visits Woi Shi Tong's library and reads about it, or Guru Pathik brings this up in the conversation.

Better to honestly tell him that you have been granted favor of Raijin, brother of Fuujin, and as such, air bending. This makes you and him, spiritually, if nlt brother and sister, then cousins, as the last of the air nomads and the first of the new line of air benders.

And while you do not agree on many positions (though you hope that you'll be able to persuade him to your viewpoint eventually) both of you are motivated by desire to help people.

Basically, we are not stealing anything from him. Rather, he just got himself a new estranged cousin (because all air benders are brothers and sisters according to gurus).
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I have a radical idea.

Have we considered apologizing? Formally, on behalf of the Fire Nation, we are Really, Truly, Very Sorry that two fire lords ago our government had a psychotic break and committed genocide against the Air Nomads, and we would like to try and make it better if we can.

I think Aang is idealistic enough to take us seriously if we do that, even while recognizing that this isn't really something that can be fixed.
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Feb 12 2013, 01:45 PM
Err. No. Just no.

The way he's very likely to see it is that the Fire Nation murdered his people, has now stolen what made them distinct, and is asking him to help then to desecrating it by using it to do things they'd think were abhorrent.

This is just adding massive insult to the injury he's already suffered. It would not be irrational at all to despise us for it. We also represent a clear threat to the future of air bending, as our descendants will go on to pervert his people's art further, acting as competitors for his own descendants for the sky.
We have a radically different view on Aang's character it seems. As in an opposite ones.

My belief is that Aang would be delighted to have other airbenders around, even if they are different than him in philosophy. Yes, there will be frictions, sure, but in general, he would be more welcoming than rejecting our existence, as long as we don't gi full monster / try to convert him to our ways forcefully.
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Feb 12 2013, 01:51 PM
I have a radical idea.

Have we considered apologizing? Formally, on behalf of the Fire Nation, we are Really, Truly, Very Sorry that two fire lords ago our government had a psychotic break and committed genocide against the Air Nomads, and we would like to try and make it better if we can.

I think Aang is idealistic enough to take us seriously if we do that, even while recognizing that this isn't really something that can be fixed.
We took the "it was a tragic mistake fueled by terror" stance (Iroh did) and "it happened two generations ago - we are not responsible for it" stance on the issue.

We have already went past this in our relationship with Aang.

Let's not bring this up again, unless he does.
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Personally, I think that...

SAYING that we were blessed by Raijin is sufficient and that as such our LIGHTNING bending is a thing.

He considers Lightning Fire bending. So do most people, given that the only ones who've done it? They're ROYALTY in the Fire Nation.

Yes WE know it's airbending, ZUKO knows it's airbending. Who the fuck else knows? NO ONE.
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Feb 12 2013, 01:57 PM
Yes WE know it's airbending, ZUKO knows it's airbending. Who the fuck else knows? NO ONE.
Actually, Avatar state knows, maybe the scrolls in the Air Monk Temple labelled it as a Forbidden Art...
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Feb 12 2013, 01:57 PM
Personally, I think that...

SAYING that we were blessed by Raijin is sufficient and that as such our LIGHTNING bending is a thing.

He considers Lightning Fire bending. So do most people, given that the only ones who've done it? They're ROYALTY in the Fire Nation.

Yes WE know it's airbending, ZUKO knows it's airbending. Who the fuck else knows? NO ONE.
Wai Shi Tong almost certainly knows, destiny spirits know, some of the past avatars know, Lion Turtle certainly knows, Guru Pathik may know (given that he was friend of at least some monk elders and they likely knew), Yue, whk has Tui parts in her may learn about it (as Tui knows), people who read auras will learn soon-ish, Aang may plain feel it, actually. JooDee did.

So, yeah, it is most likely that as soon as we get into close proximity with Aang either he or Appa will be able to tell that we are an airbender.
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I'm pretty sure we were about to tell Iroh and Ozai, weren't we?
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Azula will tell people she is a lightning bender, and as a very difficult subset ability, can Airbend in a limited since. Like pure heatbending for firebending. No need to let people beyond her family, learn that Airbending also allows for lightiningbending.
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Feb 12 2013, 02:08 PM
I'm pretty sure we were about to tell Iroh and Ozai, weren't we?
Yes, I wanted to tell Iroh and Ozai as soon as possible, to hash out how to deal with it / announce it to the public. Because it can be played as great victory / success / good omen.

But first, before doing any great announcement, we should tell Aang. And, if there is going to be a celebration, he shoild be there.

But basically, yes, Ozai and Iroh shoild be informed as soon as possible.

Because if any notions remain the same as in canon, anhkne who is not an avatar bending more than one element is a complete OCP, much more than mankfested spirits.
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Feb 12 2013, 01:48 PM
And then Roku goes and talks with one of the avatars from far enough back to kmow anout lightning =air or Aang visits Woi Shi Tong's library and reads about it, or Guru Pathik brings this up in the conversation.


Guru Pathik wouldn't know. As my proposal is that we tell him that Raijin has granted us his blessing to use lightning, I strongly doubt he'd care.

Yog
Feb 12 2013, 01:48 PM
Better to honestly tell him that you have been granted favor of Raijin, brother of Fuujin, and as such, air bending. This makes you and him, spiritually, if nlt brother and sister, then cousins, as the last of the air nomads and the first of the new line of air benders.


We haven't been legitimately granted the full airbending package though. Fuujin has not given us command over the winds, instead we're usurping something we have no right to, because the winds are so accustomed to bending to his power. It's like how we could use Lightning before Raijin gave us our blessing.

We can windbend. I strongly doubt that Aang would be happy with us stealing his heritage by doing so, particularly when we've no right to it though.

We also have no need to tell him we're windbending. With Zuko's cutting the air technique being Firebending, and our wings, then I'm at a loss to know how he'd find out what we were doing. Concentrating on internal techniques and those designed to fan our flames is sensible anyway.

We should ask Navi if she can describe to us what Yangchen did when she fought her using Fire and Wind together.

Yog
Feb 12 2013, 01:48 PM
Basically, we are not stealing anything from him. Rather, he just got himself a new estranged cousin (because all air benders are brothers and sisters according to gurus).


No. All Air Monks and Nuns are brothers and sisters. That's a very different thing. They're the blessed of Fuujin. We're very much not.
Yog
Feb 12 2013, 02:15 PM
Yes, I wanted to tell Iroh and Ozai as soon as possible, to hash out how to deal with it / announce it to the public. Because it can be played as great victory / success / good omen.


I think the political benefits of saying we've been granted a new kind of bending, Lightning Bending, by Raijin, as the culmination of the Royal Families endeavours in that field are greater, and the greater continuity .

We're trying to make something entirely new, so this is better symbolically.

On a more ominous note, consider this. We were stealing lightning bending, and the first time we used an airbending form to channel lightning, that gave Raijin the opportunity to reach out of the Spirit World and pull us back with him. Fortunately he likes us. We're stealing wind bending. Do we really want to risk using an airbending form that Aang teaches us to guide the wind? That would seem to give Fuujin the opportunity to do exactly the same thing as his brother did. Fuujin doesn't like us.
Edited by Alratan, Feb 12 2013, 02:44 PM.
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I don't think Chibi would hand us an instant-bad-end ex machina like Fuujin killing us for learning basic airbending. After all, Fuujin already had us right there and chose to walk away instead, no matter how angry he was. Maybe we can add "appease Fuujin (and maybe some of the other spirits we've pissed off)" to our to-do list, but this doesn't seem like an immediate threat.

But when it comes to telling Aang about airbending, let's say the worst happens. We tell him and he takes it in the worst possible way and then he... what? I think the worst case scenario here is just that he flatly refuses to help us. That would be unfortunate, but why is this such a potential disaster? It's not like he'll fly into a rage and try to murder us or go to Ba Sing Se and offer his unconditional support to their brainwashing assassin cult (that we will have just told him about). And I don't think he's childish enough to leave Joo Dee hanging just because he hates our guts.
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Feb 12 2013, 02:57 PM
I don't think Chibi would hand us an instant-bad-end ex machina like Fuujin killing us for learning basic airbending. After all, Fuujin already had us right there and chose to walk away instead, no matter how angry he was. Maybe we can add "appease Fuujin (and maybe some of the other spirits we've pissed off)" to our to-do list, but this doesn't seem like an immediate threat.

I refer you to some of the consequences of bad decisions in Witch Quest.

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Feb 12 2013, 02:57 PM
But when it comes to telling Aang about airbending, let's say the worst happens. We tell him and he takes it in the worst possible way and then he... what? I think the worst case scenario here is just that he flatly refuses to help us. That would be unfortunate, but why is this such a potential disaster? It's not like he'll fly into a rage and try to murder us or go to Ba Sing Se and offer his unconditional support to their brainwashing assassin cult (that we will have just told him about). And I don't think he's childish enough to leave Joo Dee hanging just because he hates our guts.
The worst case is that he decides we're an enemy, and he takes one step closer to renouncing pacifism and declaring against the Fire Nation.

He's currently neutral - and Iroh is staking a tremendous amount, possibly even his life, on Aang not turning against us after choosing to release him.
Edited by Alratan, Feb 12 2013, 03:06 PM.
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Aang, renounce pacifism, after the ridiculous lengths he went to not kill anybody ever in canon... yeah I just can't picture it.
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This isn't Witch Quest. In the grim darkness of the PMMM-verse, there are only bad ends, and this doesn't change the fact that Fuujin already had a chance to take a swipe at us and chose to walk away instead.

If Aang declares himself an enemy of the fire nation, the political consequences for Iroh might well be dire, but what are the practical consequences for the strategic picture? This Aang has a lot of bending yet to learn before he really becomes the Avatar, and one airbender who is possibly also a waterbender isn't going to turn the whole war around, even if Aang goes full-on murderdeathkill (which seems unlikely). This is especially true because the only players who still matter at this point are the Fire Nation, the dubiously competent Northern Water Tribe, and Ba Sing Se (home to brainwashing assassin cults and Fong). Which of these latter two is he going to throw in with?

Come to think of it, from Aang's perspective this is probably starting to look like what tvtropes used to call a world half empty. Yeah, the Fire Nation is a tyrannical "evil empire" who wiped out his people, but we've mostly gotten over our genocide phase and are at least trying to improve things for the people under us, while our only remaining opponents are ineffective and insular or even more evil than us. At least we never went around destroying souls.
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Avatar verse is short of World Half Empty in my eyes.

Then again, I read too much AtLA:How It Should Have Ended...
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Huh, people are still trying to argue that Aang will think we're trying to steal his gig huh. Well I suppose he would if we fail massively at diplomacy forever. Cause seriously here, what do you think we'd be telling him if we said we had airbending? "taking airbending now kthxbye"? Even with my terrible diplomatic skills I can think of better ways to put it. Like "As it was my blood that so greatly diminished airbenders, it has fallen upon my blood to help restore them".

And if he really tries to enforce the whole monk shtick then we can just say something along the lines of "air is freedom, thus the coming airbenders should be free to choose."

Not that hard to avoid saying, "airbending is mine now bitch. Also, your way of life fails."
Edited by HighMongrel, Feb 12 2013, 03:53 PM.
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Also, from what I recall of the episode where Aang meets the guys on gliders? His big thing (at first) is that he's disappointed they aren't airbenders. Kid's lonely, wants other airbenders around.

If he finds out we have airbending, he might try converting us to his point of view.
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Feb 12 2013, 04:03 PM
Also, from what I recall of the episode where Aang meets the guys on gliders? His big thing (at first) is that he's disappointed they aren't airbenders. Kid's lonely, wants other airbenders around.

If he finds out we have airbending, he might try converting us to his point of view.
And it's going to be hilarious.
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Feb 12 2013, 04:03 PM
Also, from what I recall of the episode where Aang meets the guys on gliders? His big thing (at first) is that he's disappointed they aren't airbenders. Kid's lonely, wants other airbenders around.

If he finds out we have airbending, he might try converting us to his point of view.
We don't have airbending though. Not legitimately.

We have lightning bending, and we can pirate wind bending. That's not the same thing.
Edited by Alratan, Feb 12 2013, 05:02 PM.
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