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Azula Quest; A princess is you?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM (38,739 Views)
Chibi-Reaper
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I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from.

Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course.

Story Alone, right from post numero uno.

Azula.

15 years old.

Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC

Master Firebender [23/6]
-"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???]
-"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???]
-"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???]
-"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???]
--"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???]
-"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???]
-"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???]
-"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???]
-"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X]
-"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???]
-"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???]
-"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?]
Air Bender [4/?]
-"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???]
--"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???]
--"???" Electro-Net. [1/???]
Advanced Etiquette [2/2?]
Spiritualism [3/3?]
Leadership [6/???]
Politics [6/???]
"Agressive Self Defense" [3/???]
-Unpleasant Surprises [2/?]
Strategy [4/???]
Logistics [2/???]
Second Child Arts [1/???]
Somewhat Cultured [4/???]
Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???]

Creepy child.
Praise the Sun.
Fire Good.
... Jealous. So jealous.
Once burned, twice....?
Tea-sipper.
Ruby Butterfly.
Divine Right of Kings?
Cap'n Jin.
Toph Customer, or some other pun.
Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy.
Lotus Initiate.
Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much.
Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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Pipeman
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Feb 8 2013, 02:09 AM
>bodysnatching.

There would have been no child to begin with. In the projected scenario, she's taking samples from... well, but not from a fertilized egg, and building a body to grow similarly to a real person but with no soul, an empty vessel for her to fill.

If you've read the patchouli thing, think like the homunculi. That's what she wants. Only, you're not an incredible magician, so making one is a bit trickier and more extensive than dumping a few things in a pot and voila, sack of flesh shaped like a human body.

But yeah, details, hashing them out.

Technically, Iroh would agree that going out and deliberately imperiling yourself to save Azulon from disease that he technically could have cured himself if he'd been willing to take the correct actions, and acting to preserve Zuko's life when you are both in immediate mortal peril in the actual spirit world itself, aren't quite the same things.

In any case, there's lots of limiters you can throw on to things, that she'll agree to. With a little pressing, maybe.
Is allowing her to continue our contract with our descendants, but with as little interaction between them as possible, viable at all?

Essentially, what I'm proposing is our contract for all our descendants without possibilities to renegotiate and no talking to them.
Our children shouldn't have to deal with a hedonistic, sociopathic voice in their heads.

Otherwise all I can think of is giving her what she wants, but her new body isn't allowed to bend or make claims to the throne.
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Jiven
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We could try bargaining with Yosei, see how much we can push, and then refuse and eat her. But our Zuko's time is limited, so we have to decide.
Chibi is clearly saying that Yosei is open to reduce her demand, so let's bargain !
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Feb 8 2013, 02:09 AM
>bodysnatching.

There would have been no child to begin with. In the projected scenario, she's taking samples from... well, but not from a fertilized egg, and building a body to grow similarly to a real person but with no soul, an empty vessel for her to fill.

If you've read the patchouli thing, think like the homunculi. That's what she wants. Only, you're not an incredible magician, so making one is a bit trickier and more extensive than dumping a few things in a pot and voila, sack of flesh shaped like a human body.

But yeah, details, hashing them out.

Technically, Iroh would agree that going out and deliberately imperiling yourself to save Azulon from disease that he technically could have cured himself if he'd been willing to take the correct actions, and acting to preserve Zuko's life when you are both in immediate mortal peril in the actual spirit world itself, aren't quite the same things.

In any case, there's lots of limiters you can throw on to things, that she'll agree to. With a little pressing, maybe.
Uhuh, I see.



Chibi, what about the "Temporarily lend Zuko some of OUR chi; or temporarily link to him and let him access well of chi, sharing power" ideas? Are they possible/viable?


Leaving aside the fact that it would weaken us, yes, is this a thing we could do?
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Feb 8 2013, 12:49 AM
"... Yes, your body could stand between the storms and I, through one means or another. But I am not powerful enough, and yet too powerful. All that is is not as it seems: my flesh might feed you as the meat of beasts, and reduce myself in stature. I am loathe to progress along this course, though I would likely survive, provided you traveled at great speed and disgorged that which remained with all haste. Unpleasant. But survivable. Though... one does not consume such without risks. That which thou art will to some degree change. And though my power will return through our compact, and I heal, I am... hesitant."
We eat her like meat, we'll change. We may change so much that we will no longer be capable of completing Raijin's test.

That is too great a risk, to me.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:14 AM
You know....we could try putting things in the hands of a higher power. Zuko prayed to Agni and got a response. Maybe we could too? Or maybe Agni could MAYBE give us some light, although that'll probably be much harder since it's in an Elder Spirit's realm.
Yes, let's try to invite a direct rival of the guy we already pissed off to Raijin's hometurf.

Agni certainly has more power here than in some backwater Zuko can survive on his own and there is no way this could anger our host even more.
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By the way, what would we negotiate Yosei down to, anyway? We're not exactly willing to give her any method of influencing the world, beyond what she can do through us.

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Redon, you said you had all of Azula Quest backed up, right? That turn out okay?
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Feb 8 2013, 02:21 AM
By the way, what would we negotiate Yosei down to, anyway? We're not exactly willing to give her any method of influencing the world, beyond what she can do through us.

Here's all I could think of:

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Essentially, what I'm proposing is our contract for all our descendants without possibilities to renegotiate and no talking to them.
Our children shouldn't have to deal with a hedonistic, sociopathic voice in their heads.

Otherwise all I can think of is giving her what she wants, but her new body isn't allowed to bend or make claims to the throne.


Feel free to add more.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:16 AM
Is allowing her to continue our contract with our descendants, but with as little interaction between them as possible, viable at all?
Sure. You can demand that she not interact with your family, outline that when you die her body is to be abandoned and disposed of, stipulate that she's to obey commands mommy gives, there's lots of options.

And, though getting her to admit it is going to be like pulling teeth, here? She can send the power not just where it's needed, but exactly when, too. Though it's a little trickier, and of course PIME TARADOX, if you agree then you always agreed after it got there, quantum nonsense, eeeeh.

But yeah, some restrictions will be more easily accepted than others.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:24 AM
Redon, you said you had all of Azula Quest backed up, right? That turn out okay?
I finished and turned it in, it's done.
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Hoooboy. And now we have another more variable to take account for in the contract. I'm gonna say just go with the "take her power and get going now" option. Rather then the one which might force one of us to go and hire a Lawyer. :P
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Garlak
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ALL our descendants?? Are you kidding me? That would be a glut of power for her; everyone descended from us would feed her with their Bending! And it'd probably mark all our descendants in some way; it might make them more likely to run into spirits, or more likely to draw their interest, or make it harder to make any future spirit deals because they'd already have a contract with Agni AND Yosei... All the while the Ruby Butterfly would be growing immensely from a never-ending stream of power.

Not to mention that I'm not sure if we can make that sort of offer. Or if it might piss off Agni because they'd be drawing power from a spirit other than him.
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Feb 8 2013, 01:07 AM
Only to the second one.

If you go ahead and eat her like a wolf tearing apart a caught rat, but vomit what's left of her back up afterwards, then she's still getting all of her power back from you eventually, and she'll probably actually be in better shape than the other idea at the end of everything, since you still only need a set boost of your own to get to the top.

If you go with plan B, and send some more power to Zuko, she is not getting that power back. Even if she can grow a new set of legs, metaphorically, you're still asking her to cut them off and run them through a wood-chipper. But, on the plus side, Zuko gets a helpful little boost which he otherwise doesn't.
Hold on a second.....we need a set boost to get to the top?

Well fuck. Sounds like our own need is great as well.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:28 AM
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Feb 8 2013, 02:24 AM
Redon, you said you had all of Azula Quest backed up, right? That turn out okay?
I finished and turned it in, it's done.
Fantastic, thank you. I rest easier knowing it's all safe.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:26 AM
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Feb 8 2013, 02:16 AM
Is allowing her to continue our contract with our descendants, but with as little interaction between them as possible, viable at all?
Sure. You can demand that she not interact with your family, outline that when you die her body is to be abandoned and disposed of, stipulate that she's to obey commands mommy gives, there's lots of options.

And, though getting her to admit it is going to be like pulling teeth, here? She can send the power not just where it's needed, but exactly when, too. Though it's a little trickier, and of course PIME TARADOX, if you agree then you always agreed after it got there, quantum nonsense, eeeeh.

But yeah, some restrictions will be more easily accepted than others.
That kind of takes the urgency away.

Okay, let's do this.

Things to offer, ordered from most favoured to least favoured:

-Continue the power feedback and sensation sharing, but not the renegotiating nor communicatoin parts of our contract with our descendants. (Maybe limit the number somehow?)

-Allow her to get her homunculus body, but without bending or claim to throne.

-Allow her to get her homunculus body, with bending, but that has to follow our orders and dies with us. No claim to throne still applies.
Edited by Pipeman, Feb 8 2013, 02:39 AM.
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How about this counter-offer (wording can use some work):

"Denied. However. When I have a child, and this child is fully mature, I'll allow you to negotiate with it about one thing only. Should it agree, then, after my eventual death, you'll be able to enter the same, and exactly the same, contract with it as you are with me now, minus the addition we are making now".

Basically, if / when we have children, and our child is fully mature, Navi will talk to it. If the child agrees, then, after our death, the child will be settled with the same deal we now have with Navi.

I think this is reasonable enough.

if it disagrees, then no further negotiation, just get the boost (not eating it, get the boost instead).
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I will go with Pipeman's and Yog's propositions.
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Okay, some conditions we can place on her New Body:

1: She may have her body, her body shall have a normal human span of life. No bending or spirit extended lifespan shenanigans. Her body shall be as mortal as the least among humans.

2: She may not harm, physically, mentally or spiritually, any human being. Period. "Harm" is defined from the point of view of the person she is acting against as they would see it before her intervention. This includes self defense. She may run from danger, but not harm others to defend herself.

3: As our child, we shall pledge to perform any reasonable action needed to defend her from harm until she reaches the age of majority, short of outright suicidal actions. After she reaches majority, she may claim protection from us so long as her actions exist within the laws of the Fire Nation.

4: She has no claim to the throne or any political power.

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Ok, yeah, formalizing my vote:

[x]No eating it physically - you need a clear head.

[x]Tell it "yes, I believe in my brother". Use Voice of Command to underline the significance of this. //This is a fluff suggestion meant to boost our negotiation position.

[x]Burn our hair and whatever else we can to boost its power right now, so it can boost us to a larger degree.

[X]Counter-offer. Wording to the effect of "Denied. However. When I have a child, and this child is fully mature, I'll allow you to negotiate with it about one thing only. Should it agree, then, after my eventual death, you'll be able to enter the same, and exactly the same, contract with it as you are with me now, minus the addition we are making now".
--[x]If it doesn't take the deal then you'll just take the power boost (from it tearing its soul apart) all for yourself.
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Hmm, I kind of don't like the thought of offering it another body after us. I kinda want to just take the power boost and hoof it.
Edited by Solaris, Feb 8 2013, 02:52 AM.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:52 AM
Hmm, I kind of don't like the thought of offering it another body after us. I kinda want to just take the power boost and hoof it.
The thing is, it's not just a power boost. It will kind of mutate us and we are already not quite right.

That and Zuko might die, if we don't.

And Raijin may take offense for some stupid reason. Spirits are stupid like that.
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Number 4 is going to be tricky to pull off.


How would YOSEI avoid a claim to the throne? Without doing so in a way that would bring trouble?


Honestly (and I still do not want to do this, but am still mentioning it) we should re-negotiate that "When first you become joined with a man." Instead, specify that she can only do this after we've had 2 (healthy, living) children. Additionally, limit her lifespan to "normal, mundane, non-bender, no spirit shenanigans" human, OR until *Azula* bites it, whichever comes first.


Though I still don't want to do this, because THIS WOULD BE SEEN AS OUR CHILD. Unless we keep it in some convent somewhere (or we spend a year away and bear it in secret and then give it up or something) we would have to deal with the ramifications of having people seeing one of our children acting like, well, Yosei would act.


Alternatively... Can Yosei possess a corpse? We could try that; bring it to some dead body and let her try to possess it.


OR, a different thing entirely -- How about we offer to make a shrine to her?

Or offer that we give some sort of offering or sacrifice to it -- I'm sure there's something you can symbolically give spirits, or perhaps burn something in offering, that pleases them; we could offer to do something like that for her if we get out.

What sorts of things could one sacrifice to spirits in worship, Chibi?
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Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:47 AM
Okay, some conditions we can place on her New Body:

1: She may have her body, her body shall have a normal human span of life. No bending or spirit extended lifespan shenanigans. Her body shall be as mortal as the least among humans.

2: She may not harm, physically, mentally or spiritually, any human being. Period. "Harm" is defined from the point of view of the person she is acting against as they would see it before her intervention. This includes self defense. She may run from danger, but not harm others to defend herself.

3: As our child, we shall pledge to perform any reasonable action needed to defend her from harm until she reaches the age of majority, short of outright suicidal actions. After she reaches majority, she may claim protection from us so long as her actions exist within the laws of the Fire Nation.

4: She has no claim to the throne or any political power.

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This is starting to negotiate from the position that is too far in her favor.

She made an outrageous demand. Agreeing to anything close to it is negotiation suicide.

Not to mention sages will rebel. Spirits may rebel. Zuko will rebel. Iroh may rebel. Ozai may rebel. Ursa will straight up murder us.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:58 AM
Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.


And Zuko might die if we do that.

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Feb 8 2013, 02:58 AM
Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.


And Zuko might die if we do that.

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Or the fairy's showing what she wants us to see, and Zuko's situation isn't as bad as it appears. Remember... evil spirit.
Edited by Redon, Feb 8 2013, 03:06 AM.
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I was talking about her hacking off her power and giving it to us externally. Not us eating her flesh and mutating
Edited by Solaris, Feb 8 2013, 03:10 AM.
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Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.
Even if we don't give Zuko anything, we should not eat it. We should get the power boost instead.
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Feb 8 2013, 02:58 AM
Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.


And Zuko might die if we do that.

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And we might become allergic to iron and salt, preventing us from using either against the Old Man.

And we might become even more mentally unhinged.

Maybe you missed how heavily our dragon nature shined through in the last few updates.
Do you really add the crazy of the hedonistic and sociopathic fairy to that?
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Some things I'm willing to counter-offer:

We build her some sort of shrine. Small one, possibly (hopefully).


If/when we (all 3 of us) get back, we sacrifice or offer up something in her name. Could be something worth money; could be something powerful/useful; could be something significant. Admittedly, this is going off of "You can offer or sacrifice stuff to spirits to appease them" theory, but I'm thinking that this sort of offering is a doable thing.

This could probably give her some energy back, I'm guessing. Does it work that way Chibi? Reasonable guess?
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Feb 8 2013, 03:05 AM
Or the fairy's showing what she wants us to see, and Zuko's situation isn't as bad as it appears. Remember... evil spirit.


Potentially. I, for one, took to heart all that stuff we said earlier in the thread about Zuko being one of if not the most important people in her life. I think, considering she was willing to make a deal the first time, she'd be willing to do so this time.

The alternative is Just That Bad. If Zuko dies, he dies and its All Her Fault. He dies because she was stupid enough to tempt the spirits despite knowing better. He dies because he tried to help her. He dies because she refused to help him.

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Feb 8 2013, 02:58 AM
Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.
Even if we don't give Zuko anything, we should not eat it. We should get the power boost instead.
If we don't eat it, there will be excess power, we can not store and return to her.
This is the power she is offering to send to Zuko.

We either eat and partially absorb it or a lot of it will be lost and she demands a price.
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Feb 8 2013, 03:09 AM
Some things I'm willing to counter-offer:

We build her some sort of shrine. Small one, possibly (hopefully).


If/when we (all 3 of us) get back, we sacrifice or offer up something in her name. Could be something worth money; could be something powerful/useful; could be something significant. Admittedly, this is going off of "You can offer or sacrifice stuff to spirits to appease them" theory, but I'm thinking that this sort of offering is a doable thing.

This could probably give her some energy back, I'm guessing. Does it work that way Chibi? Reasonable guess?
May I ask what is bad with my counter-offer?

It doesn't force our child to do anything. It doesn't straight-up transfer the contract to our child. It doesn't establish the contract unto all generations to come. Even if the child agrees, he or she will still be in the same position as we are now, which is not bad.
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Hmm...am I the only one who is actually FINE with the third option? I mean; we have to iron out some details, like staying out of any major trouble, making sure any atrocities she DOES commit can't be traced back to us, etc. But other than that...it seems like a pretty sweet deal...
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Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.
Even if we don't give Zuko anything, we should not eat it. We should get the power boost instead.
If we don't eat it, there will be excess power, we can not store and return to her.
This is the power she is offering to send to Zuko.

We either eat and partially absorb it or a lot of it will be lost and she demands a price.
Where'd you get this? I seem to have missed this. Could you quote the relevant part?
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Feb 8 2013, 03:12 AM
Hmm...am I the only one who is actually FINE with the third option? I mean; we have to iron out some details, like staying out of any major trouble, making sure any atrocities she DOES commit can't be traced back to us, etc. But other than that...it seems like a pretty sweet deal...
As offered it's a terrible deal.

Zuko will abhor us. Sages will straight up rebel. Ursa will find and murder us. Ozai may try to kill us. Avatar may and probably will try to kill us.
Edited by Yog, Feb 8 2013, 03:13 AM.
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Hmm...am I the only one who is actually FINE with the third option? I mean; we have to iron out some details, like staying out of any major trouble, making sure any atrocities she DOES commit can't be traced back to us, etc. But other than that...it seems like a pretty sweet deal...
What third option?

There are literally a dozen versions of the deal running around.
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Feb 8 2013, 03:14 AM
What third option?

There are literally a dozen versions of the deal running around.

The one where we give it a living vessel.
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Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.


And Zuko might die if we do that.

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And we might become allergic to iron and salt, preventing us from using either against the Old Man.

And we might become even more mentally unhinged.

Maybe you missed how heavily our dragon nature shined through in the last few updates.
Do you really add the crazy of the hedonistic and sociopathic fairy to that?
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Chibi, how about my idea? Wherein we instead send Zuko some of Azula's power.

Is that something we can do?


Pipeman
Feb 8 2013, 03:11 AM
Yog
Feb 8 2013, 03:07 AM
GLH
Feb 8 2013, 02:58 AM
Guys, just eat the fucking bottle fairy and be done with it already! Sheesh.
Even if we don't give Zuko anything, we should not eat it. We should get the power boost instead.
If we don't eat it, there will be excess power, we can not store and return to her.
This is the power she is offering to send to Zuko.

We either eat and partially absorb it or a lot of it will be lost and she demands a price.


We have a choice between eating her whole; entirely.

Or taking only parts of her, enough to shrink her down such that she can fit in our mouth. Still gives us some energy though. -- We could instead send this power to Zuko though.

Yog
Feb 8 2013, 03:11 AM
Garlak
Feb 8 2013, 03:09 AM
Some things I'm willing to counter-offer:

We build her some sort of shrine. Small one, possibly (hopefully).


If/when we (all 3 of us) get back, we sacrifice or offer up something in her name. Could be something worth money; could be something powerful/useful; could be something significant. Admittedly, this is going off of "You can offer or sacrifice stuff to spirits to appease them" theory, but I'm thinking that this sort of offering is a doable thing.

This could probably give her some energy back, I'm guessing. Does it work that way Chibi? Reasonable guess?
May I ask what is bad with my counter-offer?

It doesn't force our child to do anything. It doesn't straight-up transfer the contract to our child. It doesn't establish the contract unto all generations to come. Even if the child agrees, he or she will still be in the same position as we are now, which is not bad.


Among other things, wouldn't the "must offer contract to child" thing transfer? Meaning that our child would have to give the same offer to THEIR child, etc.

I'd take that part off; Yosei would be working with similar restrictions as when we made the deal way back then to save Azulon.
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Feb 8 2013, 03:12 AM
Where'd you get this? I seem to have missed this. Could you quote the relevant part?
I'm not sure actually.

I kind of just assumed the whole point of the eating thing is, that she doesn't have to "cast out" her power, but it's, instead, transferred to us, which in turn makes us part spirit or whatever.

If we could store the power without the nasty side effects, the whole first option'd be pointless.
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At this point, I will vote for pretty much anything that does not end with Yosei getting a body, no matter how many restrictions she will have.

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Yeah, might not have clarified that, but physical ingestion means that you're slowly 'digesting'... well, along with literally digesting, everything. There's an upper safe limit to how much you can have in the tank, and this just fills it up and keeps it at that limit until you hit the end goal and spew the fairy back out. Part of why it's mutating you in many potential ways.

The other way, external power injecting or however you want to call it, fills you up to the top once, and then some, beyond normal limits and right to the point where you're a hair away from exploding. You have to get moving, quickly, after that, because you risk unexpected incandescence and such until you get it back down to 'safe' capacity if you don't burn some of that off, though you don't risk mutation because it's not that slow and steady infusion, just setting yourself on fire maybe. A few scars, possibly. But it still leaves a mass of extra power that you can't take in, but she can't keep, because it would still leave her too big. So your choices are throw it uselessly away, or give it to someone else, who has 'room in the tank', as it were.
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Erg, falling asleep here backing up Witch Quest, guess I'll just pray they don't nuke it or me from orbit while I rest.
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Feb 8 2013, 03:23 AM
At this point, I will vote for pretty much anything that does not end with Yosei getting a body, no matter how many restrictions she will have.


Why? By the time she would likely GET the body it'd be several decades later; and we would probably work things so that she can't go all cannabalistic or do any of the really horrible shit. Think...something along the lines of Alucard from Hellsing, that's what she'd be like, a powerful entity restrained from going balls out insane.
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Feb 8 2013, 03:18 AM
Among other things, wouldn't the "must offer contract to child" thing transfer? Meaning that our child would have to give the same offer to THEIR child, etc.

I'd take that part off; Yosei would be working with similar restrictions as when we made the deal way back then to save Azulon.
I specifically clarified this:

"Denied. However. When I have a child, and this child is fully mature, I'll allow you to negotiate with it about one thing only. Should it agree, then, after my eventual death, you'll be able to enter the same, and exactly the same, contract with it as you are with me now, minus the addition we are making now".

So no, our child won't have to offer the contract to his or her child.
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If we do make it possible for the contract to be passed on to Azula's children, then we need to specify that Navi won't talk to them unless addressed. I'd also prefer to phrase it as "members of the royal family descended from Azula".

On the incarnation proposal, anyone else think Yosei is trying to get herself born into the body of a dragon? On that idea, I wonder if we can specify that when born and incarnated into mortal flesh, Yosei would not remember anything of being a spirit. She would only recover her memories when her body died, at which point she'd incorporate her memories of mortality with those of being a spirit.


Oh, and voting for option 2. The only reason Zuko's here is us. He was sensible enough not to use lightning with Airbending forms.

I also suspect Raijin might approve of us sending some of Navi's Fire away rather than using it as a power up. Winning by our own merits, etc.

Something else to consider. Whilst we know that us sending Zuko power is a limited, one off deal, the other spirits don't. Given Agni has already made a minor intervention in Zuko's favour, if he kills the mini-boss with Firebending, then the rest may decide that Agni has stepped up his level of interference, and that they really don't want to keep escalating in case the big man steps in even further.
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At this point, I will vote for pretty much anything that does not end with Yosei getting a body, no matter how many restrictions she will have.


Why? By the time she would likely GET the body it'd be several decades later; and we would probably work things so that she can't go all cannabalistic or do any of the really horrible shit. Think...something along the lines of Alucard from Hellsing, that's what she'd be like, a powerful entity restrained from going balls out insane.
It's not really what limits she'll have, but that other people we care about will probably be completely disgusted by this. We might know that the child wouldn't have been born with out this deal, but everybody else who finds out(people will, it's a given) will always wonder if we sold our child to a spirit.
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Counter-offers:

Build her a shrine instead.

Sacrifice/offer something in her name.

Offer to give our children the chance to form a contract similar to the one Azula made for Azulon. They don't have to accept, and the "Offer contract to future child" doesn't get passed on.


Re-negotiating current offer:

Can only form a body after we have a number of healthy, living children of a few years of age. 2 would be good. And the "several years old" part would mean it can't take advantage of triplet or twin thing which could put her in the running for the succession. Also, she HAS to forsake/disavow any shot at inheriting. (Also a number of other restrictions, on behavior, longevity, etc.)



Collected some possible ideas together in a more coherent whole.
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[X] You will craft for yourself a DRAGON body- egg and all.
[X] You will forfeit all right to succession, even in the event that all others of my line are extinguished.
[X] You will limit yourself to the strength, power, and vitality you would possess were you a natural dragon while you posses that form, up to and including forfeiting the body if it takes damage that would be fatal to such a dragon
[X] You will cause no unnecessary trauma to myself in the birthing process.
[X] If the pregnancy fails for any reason except my deliberate and malicious termination it shall be considered a natural death and result in forfeiting of the body.
[X] You shall not harm any citizen of the fire nation, any of it's subordinate nations, or any nations that are born from same unless they attack you first. edit:Harm includes unwanted sexual contact, words crafted with the desire to cause harm, and lying with the intent to manipulate others to cause harm to themselves or a third party.
[X] You will not knowingly goad any so protected into attacking you.
[X] If the presence of your body threatens the existence of a child naturally conceived for any reason, you shall terminate the body yourself without harming the child or myself and our deal shall be considered fulfilled.
[X] Use politics 6 to catch any loopholes I missed.

So I figured I'd try to make a workable deal. Adjust or reject as you all see fit, but I thought we should at least consider it.
Edited by thisisinsane, Feb 8 2013, 03:42 AM.
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Feb 8 2013, 03:28 AM
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Feb 8 2013, 03:23 AM
At this point, I will vote for pretty much anything that does not end with Yosei getting a body, no matter how many restrictions she will have.


Why? By the time she would likely GET the body it'd be several decades later; and we would probably work things so that she can't go all cannabalistic or do any of the really horrible shit. Think...something along the lines of Alucard from Hellsing, that's what she'd be like, a powerful entity restrained from going balls out insane.
It's not really what limits she'll have, but that other people we care about will probably be completely disgusted by this. We might know that the child wouldn't have been born with out this deal, but everybody else who finds out(people will, it's a given) will always wonder if we sold our child to a spirit.
It's not even just about limits, it's the fact that a monster like her would be free to run around AND would be in line to inherit the greatest empire in the world. God forbid if she happens to be the ONLY child we conceive... And I'm outright not willing to accept the "first time" thing, either; we have several children of our own first, hale and hearty and a few years old, before we give it the go-ahead.

Still, it is a TERRIBLE risk all around. Hence why I don't like the deal.

And we would have to come up with all these "Hellsing-esque restrictions" NOW and not "decades later".

And I'm pretty sure she'd STILL be able to cause lots of trouble.

It just... No.
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Feb 8 2013, 03:34 AM
[X] You will craft for yourself a DRAGON body- egg and all.
[X] You will forfeit all right to succession, even in the event that all others of my line are extinguished.
[X] You will limit yourself to the strength, power, and vitality you would possess were you a natural dragon while you posses that form, up to and including forfeiting the body if it takes damage that would be fatal to such a dragon
[X] You will cause no unnecessary trauma to myself in the birthing process.
[X] If the pregnancy fails for any reason except my deliberate and malicious termination it shall be considered a natural death and result in forfeiting of the body.
[X] You shall not harm any citizen of the fire nation, any of it's subordinate nations, or any nations that are born from same unless they attack you first.
[X] You will not knowingly goad any so protected into attacking you.
[X] If the presence of your body threatens the existence of a child naturally conceived for any reason, you shall terminate the body yourself without harming the child or myself and our deal shall be considered fulfilled.
[X] Use politics 6 to catch any loopholes I missed.

So I figured I'd try to make a workable deal. Adjust or reject as you all see fit, but I thought we should at least consider it.
Sure, I'll support this:

[X] You will craft for yourself a DRAGON body- egg and all.
[X] You will forfeit all right to succession, even in the event that all others of my line are extinguished.
[X] You will limit yourself to the strength, power, and vitality you would possess were you a natural dragon while you posses that form, up to and including forfeiting the body if it takes damage that would be fatal to such a dragon
[X] You will cause no unnecessary trauma to myself in the birthing process.
[X] If the pregnancy fails for any reason except my deliberate and malicious termination it shall be considered a natural death and result in forfeiting of the body.
[X] You shall not harm any citizen of the fire nation, any of it's subordinate nations, or any nations that are born from same unless they attack you first.
[X] You will not knowingly goad any so protected into attacking you.
[X] If the presence of your body threatens the existence of a child naturally conceived for any reason, you shall terminate the body yourself without harming the child or myself and our deal shall be considered fulfilled.
[X] Use politics 6 to catch any loopholes I missed.

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