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| Azula Quest; A princess is you? | |
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM Post #1 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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Posted Image I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from. Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course. Story Alone, right from post numero uno. Azula. 15 years old. Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC Master Firebender [23/6] -"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???] -"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???] -"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???] -"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???] --"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???] -"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???] -"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???] -"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???] -"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X] -"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???] -"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???] -"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?] Air Bender [4/?] -"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???] --"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???] --"???" Electro-Net. [1/???] Advanced Etiquette [2/2?] Spiritualism [3/3?] Leadership [6/???] Politics [6/???] "Agressive Self Defense" [3/???] -Unpleasant Surprises [2/?] Strategy [4/???] Logistics [2/???] Second Child Arts [1/???] Somewhat Cultured [4/???] Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???] Creepy child. Praise the Sun. Fire Good. ... Jealous. So jealous. Once burned, twice....? Tea-sipper. Ruby Butterfly. Divine Right of Kings? Cap'n Jin. Toph Customer, or some other pun. Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy. Lotus Initiate. Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much. Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 04:11 AM Post #251 |
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"A proper contract"?? You are going off of something in another fiction, and simply assuming it will work out perfectly. You should NEVER assume you are perfectly safe where spirits are concerned.
I'm not convinced the feedback effect is blocked by that. And why the hell should we be "reluctantly guided" to that? It's a step up. She gave us a rather unfavorable deal, and we are supposed to be arguing her DOWN. You are thinking of "tricking" her into getting more from us, for the sake of a dragon.
We do NOT have to give her our best offer. I mean, you're even suggesting we give her MORE than she asked for! |
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| MacroDaemon | Feb 8 2013, 04:11 AM Post #252 |
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Having a spirit for a child will most likely piss off the Fire Sages to no end, cause the Avatar to be pressed into fighting us, put a severe strain on our relations with our friends and family, definitely cause issues with Zuko since he will be its father, cause political trouble if the public ever found out and lead to who knows what else. Giving Yosei a body is just a bad idea all around. We should not value the power having her as a minion gives us over how other people will feel about it. That goes against all of Azula's self restraint at this time. Edit: Oh god, Chibi is writing a long post! Please let it not be the update! Edited by MacroDaemon, Feb 8 2013, 04:12 AM.
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 04:14 AM Post #253 |
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Likely to what by a wha?
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Navi: "Do this, and I will no longer exist to fuel your flames. I can only wish that I might then watch as you attempted to endure the eternal storm with no aid at all, or starved in this hollow, unable to leave." It's not a nice thing to do. It is also kind of a suicidal thing to do. Anyway, yeah, as far as alignment categories go, you're... pretty much not on the side of the angels yourself, to keep that in mind. Princess of an expansionist kingdom looking to conquer the whole world, even if it is for their own good, making compacts with inhuman and generally self-oriented or malevolent entities, ordering to plant information to clear the names of your friends, even if it can't be found.... It'd be hard to guess exactly where you stood, but probably somewhere straddling the line between Lawful Neutral and Lawful Evil, since you usually try to restrain yourself and work inside the bounds of your authority, but even so. You can better peoples' lives, and bring fantastic wonders, and reduce taxes, and still be evil at your core, as far as alignment charts go. Enjoying the smell of burned enemies and training by killing small animals and then not even eating them goes a long way for that. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 04:15 AM Post #254 |
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I just hope that Chibi goes with what he sees as best suggestion amongst those that we have here. Because I honestly am stupefied at how you guys want to leap at the best goddamn offer we can give it right off the bat. |
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| thisisinsane | Feb 8 2013, 04:15 AM Post #255 |
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Fine. Write up your own deal. Any deal. If I think she'll go for it and it will save Zuko; you have my vote. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 04:15 AM Post #256 |
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I want me my goddamn Alucard expy that's indebted to us and will serve. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 04:17 AM Post #257 |
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If that's evil, I consider it far, far less evil (and heinous) then what the Butterfly got up to when she was free to run around. What Azula's done so far? I have little to no problem with so far. What the Butterfly apparently did long ago? Made me shudder. And screw stupid alignment charts. |
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 8 2013, 04:18 AM Post #258 |
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The thing to understand here guys is what we have is a Moral Dilemma. In a Moral Dilemma, your choices have consequences. Either we make the deal with Navi to save Zuko, or we don't. If we make the deal, that will have consequences and those consequences are rather obvious. If we don't make the deal, that will also have consequences. I think Chibi is a good enough writer that he's not going to let us get away with this scot free. That if we choose to abandon Zuko there will be some penalty for doing so up to an including Zuko's potential death. I suppose Chibi could just, you know, let us get away with this. Just up and have Zuko manage to defeat an army of spirits in open combat. I mean, I've never heard of any human managing to do so in the history of ever. Just ask Koh. But it's possible. Frankly, Zuko is probably a damn good swordsman. But I wouldn't put even odds on Piandao coming out of this alive, much less intact. ------------ Epsilon |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 04:20 AM Post #259 |
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I've collected some possible ideas people suggested a while back: Counter-offers: Build her a shrine instead. Sacrifice/offer something in her name. Offer to give our children the chance to form a contract similar to the one Azula made for Azulon. They don't have to accept, and the "Offer contract to future child" doesn't get passed on. Re-negotiating current offer: Can only form a body after we have a number of healthy, living children of a few years of age. 2 children would be good. And the "several years old" part would mean it can't take advantage of triplet or twin thing which could put her in the running for the succession. Also, she HAS to forsake/disavow any shot at inheriting. (Also a number of other restrictions, on behavior, longevity, etc.) |
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 8 2013, 04:21 AM Post #260 |
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Indeed. ------------ Epsilon |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 04:21 AM Post #261 |
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The Butterfly was loose without any form of leash; this time, we make the leash, we dictate the terms. We're pretty solid in politics, so any contract we make here will be well thought out and thoroughly scanned for loopholes. I honestly believe we get the most out of giving Yousei a body. |
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| thisisinsane | Feb 8 2013, 04:22 AM Post #262 |
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Then you shouldn't vote for my deal because it explicitly forbids spirit shenanigans that would let Navi be more than a dragon. Also we are totally dropping enough hints that Iroh will be having a dragon omelet like 5 minutes after we lay, because as long as we don't do it ourselves we wont be breaking our word. I was kind of hoping that the Dragon bit would distract her from that with shiny. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 04:23 AM Post #263 |
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I frikking did! Goddamn, do people not read my posts on principle or something?! "Denied. However. When I have a child, and this child is fully mature, I'll allow you to negotiate with it about one thing only. Should it agree, then, after my eventual death, you'll be able to enter the same, and exactly the same, contract with it as you are with me now, minus the addition we are making now". Basically, when we get a child, and when it is fully mature, Fairy can ask the child for the same deal it has with us. The child doesn't have to agree. The child, should it agree, doesn't have to ask his or her children in turn. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 04:25 AM Post #264 |
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Shrine: Oh boy, a shrine with...how many followers and worshipers? One? More? How do you intend to get more than us worshiping the shrine? Sacrifice: What will we offer and when? This is also something rather paltry, so I doubt she'll bite. Contract: This one...can work; but I have a feeling that we're going to need to drop the "Doesn't get passed on" part. Current offer change: I honestly thought this was a given regardless of what was going on. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 04:27 AM Post #265 |
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I think she'd probably ask for our protection/silence, precisely in case we arrange to have her killed. And Enderofworlds -- I don't hold faith in a simple contract limiting her behavior enough. ALSO. The Fire Sages. They might consider such an offer to have gone over the line, and decide they need to take action. Shu ALMOST did that when we made a much simpler deal that gave Navi NO ability to affect, or act in, the outside world. What do you think they'll do if they see us give it a body?? |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 04:27 AM Post #266 |
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Yes, I fully expect us to have to drop "the child doesn't have to ask his or her child" part. This is called negotiation. We still win with this offer. Edited by Yog, Feb 8 2013, 04:27 AM.
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| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 8 2013, 04:27 AM Post #267 |
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Yeah, the butterfly was more Chaotic..... sociopath, I guess, than anything else. Probably pinned down as Evil, as I said, but it was less malevolence and hatred of humanity sort of evil and more 'I do whatever the hell I want, whenever, try to stop me' and only the vaguest comprehension of humanity. Even so, you throw someone off a roof to hear him splat, pretty firmly evil. Kind of similar to killing kittens, in that respect. Also. Re: Reincarnation into Azula. I'll just say that this is a very interesting line of theorization to bring up, and leave it at that. Enjoy your <|:( while I don't clarify anything for you~ I should really probably sleep soon. |
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| Alratan | Feb 8 2013, 04:30 AM Post #268 |
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As Aaron says, we currently have a choice between what is right and what is easy. Trouble is, we don't know which is which ;) We do know that hereditary bending contracts are possible though. We also know spirits get something out of them. I think that should be our starting point, for us and some subset of our descendants (so she doesn't get too powerful). We'd also need to include bans on making future deals with out our permission, to ensure she doesn't abuse the power it brings. We can start by offering only a single gnweration of descendants, and work up from there. We could also promise to at some point make a new volcano for her to be the primary spirit of. I have just the right mountain in mind. Chibi's tease on reincarnation is interesting. It implies to me that having reincarnate without her memories is possible, so we really should consider that. Edited by Alratan, Feb 8 2013, 04:32 AM.
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 04:30 AM Post #269 |
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She can't break the contract; and so long as we cut off the horrible sociopath aspects, like cannibalism, we're fine. As for the Fire Sages; who has to know? Why would they know of this deal? Why in god's name would we ever tell them? |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 04:30 AM Post #270 |
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A shrine and offerings might give her power. It could be enough. Plus, we're the Fire Princess. We have a lot of money. We can make a lot of offerings. I bet we can make enough to recoup what she'd be losing. The sacrifice or offering would be stuff like incense, or whatever the custom is to offer to spirits. I'd leave it up to Azula to determine what she'd give. Contract: *shrug* We'll see how the negotiations would go.
Well yeah, but this changes the original, born-as-a-human one. Rather than the dragon stuff. |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 04:31 AM Post #271 |
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I really don't think being a dragon is "the best goddamn offer we can give it". Seriously, it's a single dragon. Yes, it does not have 'an upper cap' for power, but neither does an army. It might be 'a great feat' for a single firebender to kill a dragon, but who says they'll duel Navi one on one, when she starts torching cities. That doesn't even go ito the fact that she needs time to become a threat. And then she's suddenly facing a second world war airforce. But all of your protests show what's so great about putting this idea into Navi's head. She'll think being a dragon is going to be great, because she'd be a dragon and not some puny human and would get to experience an entirely new set of experiences. She'd be so excited that she wouldn't notice the fact, that being a dragon severly limits the ways, in which she can interact with society, that she'll have to learn to not mess with humans or they'll simply call the army and airfleet and that she'd have to deal with all the clauses and failsafes, we add to our contract in return. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 04:31 AM Post #272 |
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And all those concessions (hereditary bending contract for it, making her a volcano, etc) will be negotiating up from our first counter-offer. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 04:33 AM Post #273 |
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Hmm... Kittens are a SORT of human, right? ... Well, according to Red Mage they are, anyway. And I think he knows what he's talking about. |
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| Alratan | Feb 8 2013, 04:36 AM Post #274 |
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I might start with the volcano as our basic offer, actually. On lower offers, I think my proposal that Navi can share the senses and grant bending to Azula's children (or perhaps just one of them), but is forbidden from speaking to them without permission or making deals is about the least we can offer. It's certainly more restrictive than your offer, which allows her to influence the child by talking to them. We should probably add no influencing them in any way to the deal. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 04:37 AM Post #275 |
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You think the Sages would be too stupid too realize what was going on? I mean, remember that Iroh was able to see that we had a Spirit hanging around us. Plus, I bet that her reactions to iron and salt would be rather obvious give-aways. If she ever came into contact with either of those... ... And IIRC, the Sages perform spiritual duties for the Fire Nation. They were the ones that set up wards that would prevent any *future* Plague Spirits from re-infecting Azulon. They oversee the Dragonbone Catacombs. They probably have some things set up that would let them know if there's a spirit walking about. Assuming they can't just sense it, which might very well be possible. |
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| thisisinsane | Feb 8 2013, 04:38 AM Post #276 |
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you know what; I'll try yog's with the nonnegotiable addition of [X] any failure to have children by future generations shall not be considered to violate the contract. [X] If any of my descendants refuse the deal they do not have to pass it down to their descendants; and you can't take anything from them in retribution, no body jacking or murder or injury of themselves or those they care for if they don't take the deal, though I promise not to deliberately poison them to it. you have to convince them yourself. [X] If any descendant or I die before our child is mature enough to be offered the deal (what's age of majority in the fire nation, that goes here) our contract is considered fulfilled and you can't posses our corpse to offer it to them our anything. they are considered to have refused as above. [X] Only applies to kids I have with Zuko. He dies you lose and can't jack my body or anything. Edited by thisisinsane, Feb 8 2013, 04:44 AM.
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 04:42 AM Post #277 |
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Quite frankly, the sages are going to be upset either way. Either we become part spirit or we gave the spirit, they are already upset with us for, even more freedom/advantages, thus proving them in a way right. Not to mention the whole dealing with Raijin thing, that's probably going to come. They are the Fire Sages not the Fire And Sometimes Lightning Sages, after all. Edited by Pipeman, Feb 8 2013, 04:43 AM.
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| thisisinsane | Feb 8 2013, 04:45 AM Post #278 |
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If this doesn't work I'm defaulting to my plan. |
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| NSMS | Feb 8 2013, 04:47 AM Post #279 |
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[X] Denied. However. When I have a child, and this child is fully mature, I'll allow you to negotiate with it. Should it agree then, after my eventual death, you'll be able to enter the same, and exactly the same, contract with it as you are with me now, minus the addition we are making now. [X] Failure to have children shall not be considered to violate the contract. [X] If I die before our child is mature enough to be offered the deal (what's age of majority in the fire nation, that goes here) it is considered fullfiled. [X] Only applies to kids I have with Zuko. He dies you lose and can't jack my body or anything. Giving Navi a body? No, no, no, no, NO! Mod Edit: -_- Please don't massively oversize words or letters. Edited by lord geryon, Feb 8 2013, 06:48 AM.
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 04:47 AM Post #280 |
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Giving the Fairy a few more freedoms, as well as dealing with Raijin after he KIDNAPS us... is VERY different from giving a Spirit a corporeal form. There are a few things they might be willing to accept or overlook -- and some things such as more liberties for the Fairy, they might not even quite recognize. I mean, if we build a few shrines and give offerings to it, it could just be because Azula is grateful that she got out of the mess alive and is showing her thanks. Compare that to having a flesh and bone spirit in the living world. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 04:49 AM Post #281 |
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I can agree with this offer, as the second one (if / when Fairy rejects the "children don't have to ask their children at all"). The initial offer should have that "children don't have to ask their children" clause. We'll drop this outrageous demand readily, but this would weaken Fairy's position in negotiation. |
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 8 2013, 04:49 AM Post #282 |
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Except that Zuko is fighting for his life now. Dickering over terms was all well and good when Azulon had months if not years of life left in him. Zuko's lifespan may be measured in minutes, or seconds. I like the Dragon idea because I agree that its so tempting that Navi might not catch the important bits, like the fact we don't promise not to kill her in her crib and we she has to promise never to harm anyone loyal to the Fire Nation or any Nation which succeeds it. I'd prefer human body with human limits, but that may not be as "Oh, shiny!" inducing.
Yeah, you can be a jerk and break the autoscroll. Good for you. ----------- Epsilon Edited by Aaron Peori, Feb 8 2013, 04:51 AM.
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 04:53 AM Post #283 |
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Navi can send her power through time. And we have to have faith in Zuko. |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 04:54 AM Post #284 |
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They have literally no way to ascertain what exactly drove us to do what we did. I'm pretty sure that officially they'll accept the fact, that 'we did what we had to do', no matter what we do, short of letting Navi out in a body without any restrictions, but at the same time will, unofficially, become even more convinced, that they never should have trusted us with a spirit and become even more disgruntled, no matter what we do. Fuck the sages. Edit: Drop the fucking giant 'No'. Seriously, it's annoying and noone is proposing to give her a body without rules to prevent her from abusing the feedback-loop and becomung Avatar-level in a few years. Edited by Pipeman, Feb 8 2013, 04:58 AM.
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| NSMS | Feb 8 2013, 04:58 AM Post #285 |
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...I broke the autoscroll? Huh, weird- didn't cause me any problems. Sorry anyway. As for giving Navi a body... well, to be honest I just cannot see that ending well under any circumstances if we gave her a human body. A dragon body? Ageless, shaping shifting, respected by the fire nation (or at least, they will be once the ban on hunting properly kicks in), potentially far more powerful than a human? Bad. Idea. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 05:00 AM Post #286 |
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Navi can't cause a Time Paradox; so while we do have some time, it's not as much as you think. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 05:02 AM Post #287 |
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They said that they would not have made a deal with a spirit even if the life of everyone in the Fire Nation was involved. As far as they are concerned, nearly nothing justifies dealing with a spirit. If we come out of this WITHOUT having to give Navi a body? The most they could become convinced of, is that we were captured by Raijin and escaped or won our freedom. This would not, however, make them cross into "Must smite!" territory the way giving a spirit a body would! Who CARES if they'll be MORE suspicious? The other outcome is that they outright decide that we should be killed for giving a spirit a body. I'll take "grumpy suspicion" over "Curse Your Sudden But Inevitable Betrayal"/"We have to stop Azula before she DESTROYS US ALL! DESTROYS US ALL! DESTROYS US ALL!" |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 05:02 AM Post #288 |
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True. What is paradox, though? We need to drop the viewing window to prevent one from happening. |
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 8 2013, 05:04 AM Post #289 |
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How much time? How far? The idea that we have infinite time to dicker over trivial details is not a good one to have. Navi is not omnipotent and while time functions strangely in the spirit world, it's still linear. And did you miss my post where I pointed out that this is a moral choice. There is a difference between having faith in Zuko and being a fucking idiot. Need I remind you that there are things in the spirit world so dangerous they killed a fully trained Avatar? Zuko is, at this point, a normal human. A skilled normal human, but still a human. He does not have any firebending tricks. He can't flame sword, he can't inner fire reinforce, he can't use that speed technique he used. He has human limits. He is fighting an unending army of respawning spirits. And he prayed to Agni for help. And Agni helped him by making him able to see how fucked he was. Like I said, I suppose Chibi may be a great enough writer to have Zuko come out of this alive and unscathed but I frankly doubt it. It would break my suspension of disbelief hard if he got out of this without some help. And help from anybody but us is going to look like an epic asspull/dues ex machina. ------------- Epsilon |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 05:05 AM Post #290 |
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Again, dragons don't start out Ran and Shao level. They need time to be a threat. Time in which we (our descendents) would have an WW2 airship fleet. If dragons were so powerful, how did the Fire Nation hunt them into hiding in a single century? They are powerful, yes, but still lose against an army. And do you seriously think Navi is going to have the patience to learn complex things like shapechanging? She'll be to busy eating koala-sheep. Honestly, I think we'll spend far more time keeping people from just killing her than actually trying to bring her down ourselves. Edited by Pipeman, Feb 8 2013, 05:08 AM.
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 05:08 AM Post #291 |
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The moral choice is to not save Zuko's life in a way that will cause him to curse us for doing so. Zuko himself would never agree to this deal as Fairy proposed it. And we have some little time. Basically, no, I'm not agreeing to let Navi to get a body. Even if Zuko dies. Because if nothing else Zuko would prefer to die than to give Navi a body. And I can respect this. EDIT: Also, Fairy knows that if it doesn't get a deal quickly, it'll lose all opportunities to get it. It loses the chance for favor if Zuko dies. Edited by Yog, Feb 8 2013, 05:09 AM.
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 05:09 AM Post #292 |
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Aaron -- what makes you think we'd take too long to broker a deal? |
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| thisisinsane | Feb 8 2013, 05:09 AM Post #293 |
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WHY IS THERE NO LIKE BUTTON! THIS!! We have maybe two offers before Zuko is mulched. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 05:19 AM Post #294 |
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I'm half confused and half amused that "Navi can send her power to Zuko across time; and if necessary it will be done retroactively, with Zuko getting the power before we actually make the deal" has somehow become "There's no way we can take the time to bargain for YOUR position -- we have to go with mine, otherwise it'll be too late." Really. That's what your arguement looks like; "There's no time to bargain for your position, so just go with mine". |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 05:19 AM Post #295 |
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Yes. And Fairy knows this too. If Zuko dies, it looses its only chance at getting anything from us. |
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 8 2013, 05:21 AM Post #296 |
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Because I don't think Navi can rewrite history, nor do I think she can freeze time. I think starting with some minor bullshit she isn't going to accept (a shrine, really? Spirits don't need shrines, we already know this) is wasting our and Zuko's precious time. It also shows a remarkable lack of insight into, you know, actual bargaining. The art of the deal is simple: What does she want? What do we want? She wants: hedonism. Power is pretty meaningless to her. No, seriously. Even when she was running arounf being all powerful and stuff she wasn't concerned with power, she was concerned with enjoying herself. She has a one track mind. "My kids all get your bending contract" isn't going to interest her because she gets nothing out of it. She wants sensation not empowerment, beyond the empowerment needed to acquire sensation. "My kids will make this deal, too?" That's also a stupid answer because nothing prevents her from offering this deal to anyone she wants once we are dead as it stands now and we can't make deals for other people, period. Offering her potential future deals is like trying to sell ice to a Water Tribal. She's not exactly a long term thinker and she gains nothing from such a deal she doesn't already have. What we want: Zuko to live. Short of running down the mountain (my first vote) this is the only way to do it. She has us over a barrel here. Best bet? Give her something she thinks she wants... but have it not be as good as she thinks it is. ---------- Epsilon |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 05:29 AM Post #297 |
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I don't think that's what we'd be going with -- partly because of exactly that; we don't know if we can pass down contracts. Though, there WOULD be things preventing her from making deals -- namely, opportunity. It took centuries of time between Yangchen defeating her and Azula showing up. Actually, I believe currently the deal isn't to just connect her to our descendants bending. It's to give her a similar deal to the one she made with Azula way back then -- which means that Navi would continue to feel the things our children would feel. So it's not about bribing her with power; it's about bribing her with a chance at sensation again. Continuity; she gets a shot at more time in which to enjoy life. (On a side-note: we should probably throw in a "never try to possess or usurp control from our children" thing in there.) |
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| NSMS | Feb 8 2013, 05:30 AM Post #298 |
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Problem: giving her a dragon body, even with limitations, is by default better than giving her a human one. And it's been made clear that giving any spirit a human body is a very bad idea. |
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| Silver W. King | Feb 8 2013, 05:33 AM Post #299 |
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[X] You will leave my firstborn alone. I will only allow you to be my second or thirdborn -[X] You also have to call me mommy from now on. [X] any failure to have children by future generations shall not be considered to violate the contract. [X] If any of my descendants refuse the deal they do not have to pass it down to their descendants; and you can't take anything from them in retribution, no body jacking or murder or injury of themselves or those they care for if they don't take the deal, though I promise not to deliberately poison them to it. you have to convince them yourself. [X] If any descendant or I die before our child is mature enough to be offered the deal (what's age of majority in the fire nation, that goes here) our contract is considered fulfilled and you can't posses our corpse to offer it to them our anything. they are considered to have refused as above. [X] Only applies to kids I have with Zuko. He dies you lose and can't jack my body or anything. Edited by Silver W. King, Feb 8 2013, 05:40 AM.
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| thisisinsane | Feb 8 2013, 05:36 AM Post #300 |
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She already agreed to be a homunculus we aren't giving her any of our kids. No. No. No. That is not even close to the deal we were discussing. |
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