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| Azula Quest; A princess is you? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM (38,736 Views) | |
| Chibi-Reaper | Feb 7 2013, 10:23 PM Post #1 |
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Posted Image I suppose that this would be the best place to pick this up from. Definitely going to have to re-create or gather together all of the previous posts, of course. Story Alone, right from post numero uno. Azula. 15 years old. Fourth month, ninth day, of year 100 ASC Master Firebender [23/6] -"Butterfly Wings" Fire-flight [3/???] -"Rocket Boost" Advanced flame propulsion [1/???] -"Dragon's Breath" burning exhalation [3/???] -"Advanced Fire Stream" focused fire spout [2/???] --"Hunting Dragon" Flame Spout Seeking Missile [1/???] -"Flame Wall" basically that. [1/???] -"Pinwheel Shot" distance projectile [1/???] -"Butterfly Swarm" razor-fire butterflies [1/???] -"Lava Bending" Fortress Killer [1/X] -"Inner Fire Reinforcement" Self-buff [2/???] -"Edge Enhance" Sword-buff Flames [1/???] -"Voice of Command?" ...not what it says on the tin? [1/1?] Air Bender [4/?] -"Cold Sky Fire" Lighting manipulation. [4/???] --"???" Force Lightning Taser? [1/???] --"???" Electro-Net. [1/???] Advanced Etiquette [2/2?] Spiritualism [3/3?] Leadership [6/???] Politics [6/???] "Agressive Self Defense" [3/???] -Unpleasant Surprises [2/?] Strategy [4/???] Logistics [2/???] Second Child Arts [1/???] Somewhat Cultured [4/???] Basic Trading Knowledge [2/???] Creepy child. Praise the Sun. Fire Good. ... Jealous. So jealous. Once burned, twice....? Tea-sipper. Ruby Butterfly. Divine Right of Kings? Cap'n Jin. Toph Customer, or some other pun. Old Man of the Mountain: Not Your Buddy. Lotus Initiate. Raijin Approves. Fuujin... not so much. Edited by Chibi-Reaper, Feb 9 2013, 06:48 PM.
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 05:37 AM Post #301 |
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Mainly, because it gives them the infinite feedback loop and allows the to meet/make deals with more people. Otherwise they'd be like any other sociopath. So we just add one clause to keep her from becoming unstoppable in short order and one to stop her from dealing with people. And dragons aren't unstoppable. Neither are humans without bending. The only real concern is the feedback loop, that allows her power to grow exponantially. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 05:38 AM Post #302 |
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... and I'll form the head!
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Umm... This looks like it is sticking together the sub-points of several different deals. Also, it has "taking the BODY of the 2nd or 3rd born" which, um, yeah. Even assuming that Azula won't make that slip up, it still makes me worry that you phrased it in such a careless way. And there's no point to the "any failure to have children by future generations shall not be considered to violate the contract" item, because it only talks about Azula. It sounds like you're offering the spirit to be able to incarnate into our line!! |
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| Silver W. King | Feb 8 2013, 05:39 AM Post #303 |
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I meant as in a humnculous body, basically have her 'born' as the second or third child. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 05:47 AM Post #304 |
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Why? Why agree to let her have a body at all? Current counter-offer (the one the majority seems to agree to) is [X]"Denied. However. When I have a child, and this child is fully mature, I'll allow you to negotiate with it about one thing only. Should it agree, then, after my eventual death, you'll be able to enter the same, and exactly the same, contract with it as you are with me now, minus the addition we are making now". //I.e. Offer to give our children the chance to form a contract similar to the one Azula made for Azulon. They don't have to accept, and the "Offer contract to future child" doesn't get passed on. [X] any failure to have children by future generations shall not be considered to violate the contract. [X] If any of my descendants refuse the deal they do not have to pass it down to their descendants; and you can't take anything from them in retribution, no body jacking or murder or injury of themselves or those they care for if they don't take the deal, though I promise not to deliberately poison them to it. you have to convince them yourself. [X] If any descendant or I die before our child is mature enough to be offered the deal (what's age of majority in the fire nation, that goes here) our contract is considered fulfilled and you can't posses our corpse to offer it to them our anything. they are considered to have refused as above. [X] Only applies to kids I have with Zuko. He dies you lose and can't jack my body or anything. And we are ready to drop ""Offer contract to future child" doesn't get passed on." part. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 05:49 AM Post #305 |
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... and I'll form the head!
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And we should word it such that, if any child rejects the offer, that obviously the contract doesn't pass on; i.e. the children wouldn't have to offer to THEIR children, and such. |
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| HioH | Feb 8 2013, 05:51 AM Post #306 |
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Build her a shrine instead. Sacrifice/offer something in her name. Offer to give our children the chance to form a contract similar to the one Azula made for Azulon. They don't have to accept, and the "Offer contract to future child" doesn't get passed on. this is probably the best bet |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 05:52 AM Post #307 |
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Actually, it was either Aaron or someone else; but they had a point: Yousei's in it for the sensations and indulgence, and you're going about this in terms of raising her power. So, I feel that the body's a better shot then your current offers because it gets right to what she wants; the ability to indulge and feel. If you can come up with an offer that can do the same in a safer manner; I'm all ears. |
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| Alratan | Feb 8 2013, 05:54 AM Post #308 |
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We shouldn't offer her a body. What we should offer her is to be allowed to share a subset of Azula and Zuko's descendants senses and augment their Firebending. What that subset is will be a point of negotiation. She would also be banned from speaking to them, making deals with them, or interfering with them in any way without our permission. The sense share is the big one, and what she really wants. It gives her a continuity of sensation, and if we open it up to multiple descendants she would gain multiple perspectives simultaneously, which she might enjoy, given the precedent. We may need to phrase it as restricting it to making this deal and this deal only with our descendants, and that we'll promise to do our best to persuade them to accept the deal whilst they're young. This is a good deal for her, and it has an inbuilt sliding scale to negotiate over. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 05:56 AM Post #309 |
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Now this is something I can get behind; you have my support Alratan. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 05:56 AM Post #310 |
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Nope. Same deal as it has with Azula. She gets to share their senses. |
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 8 2013, 06:00 AM Post #311 |
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What part of we can't make deals for other people is not clear here? Especially people who don't exist yet. ------------ Epsilon |
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| thisisinsane | Feb 8 2013, 06:00 AM Post #312 |
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Nice. Throw in the obvious protections against possession for us and our descendants and you have my support [X] Altran edit: that's a point I forgot. Could we make such a deal? Edited by thisisinsane, Feb 8 2013, 06:02 AM.
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 06:01 AM Post #313 |
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Source? Cause I think you just pulled this out of your ass, or it was never brought up. |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 06:01 AM Post #314 |
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Personally, I just think the idea of having Dragon!Navi is nice. I believe the risks, that entails, have been addressed properly and therefor this, admittedly weak, reason is enough for me. As long as we negotiate something it's fine with me. The reason I argued this much is, because, in my honest opinion, there was someone wrong on the internet! More seriously, though, in case Navi simply doesn't agree not to have a body at the end of this, we need to have other, properly discussed, terms and I think Dragon!Navi is far more acceptable than CreepyPromiscuousChild!Navi. Mainly because it'll be far easier to deny, that the dragon is our child, seeing how other families in our nations history probably did that rather often, than to deny, that the incredibly creepy child, that learned to speak at age zero, tries to have sex with everything, is just plain wrong somehow and we still keep around for some reason is our child. It would be far easier to sell the public an unruly dragon than the alternative. So, in conclusion, fine: [x] Plan Yog - [x] If it doesn't work, Plan Dragon with as many restrictions as we can slap on it. Edited by Pipeman, Feb 8 2013, 06:12 AM.
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 06:03 AM Post #315 |
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We aren't making one. At all. Read what I wrote. We'll allow it to negotiate with our eventual fully grown child. Should the child agree, he or she will get the same deal as we have with Navi now, after we die. I.e. Navi gets the opportunity to negotiate. We aren't saying "our children will enter the contract with you". We are saying "we'll allow you to talk to our children about entering the contract with you" basically. |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 06:04 AM Post #316 |
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One can make deals for descendants or there wouldn't be a contract with Agni. |
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| Garlak | Feb 8 2013, 06:09 AM Post #317 |
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I think he was addressing that to Alratan's post. Which had a "Let Navi sense things from our descendants perspective" thing. Which, yeah, sounds like making a deal on behalf of others. Mind, making deal on others behalf is *maybe* possible -- we suspect that the original Bending-gifting deals were like that. But we don't know what the circumstances and requirements for that are. (Also, it kinda worries me to permanently bind something to our whole lineage. Also also, I don't want to give Navi a link to Firebenders that will keep her fed continuously. She's a nasty enough spirit that I worry about her growing more powerful off of it.) |
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 8 2013, 06:11 AM Post #318 |
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http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/azula-quest.246137/page-46#post-9588087 ------------- Epsilon |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 06:13 AM Post #319 |
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Different situation; involving a already born individual, versus a pact with Yousei involving our future descendants. I want a ruling on that before saying it's impossible. |
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| thisisinsane | Feb 8 2013, 06:14 AM Post #320 |
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Unfortunately, we don't have time to figure it out and Navi would like us to make a deal we can't keep so she wont correct any assumptions. Sleep is now. Try not to do anything stupid if I'm not back before Chibi updates. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 06:15 AM Post #321 |
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I meant a GM ruling on it; not an IC ruling on it. |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 06:15 AM Post #322 |
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That only addresses body-jacking and also doesn't cover the what I like to call "children are property"-loophole. Edited by Pipeman, Feb 8 2013, 06:17 AM.
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| Aaron Peori | Feb 8 2013, 06:20 AM Post #323 |
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Honestly, another reason I'm for the body deal is because, well, we'll never deal with it. Or at least i won't. Because if we ever get to the point where we are actually fucking our brother I'm kind of out. What's great about the "you can have my baby" plan is that nothing forces us to ever get pregnant. We just have to avoid sex with men and (given the not so subtle hints throughout) that may not be a problem at all. Heck, at this point you could make a pretty strong case for Azula being asexual. The only problem there is the succession. But Zuko could just sire a bastard and recognize it and bam, succession secured. ------------ Epsilon |
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| Scope | Feb 8 2013, 06:22 AM Post #324 |
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I don't think we will ever get to the point were Azula will do that nasty ever. But when the Quest ends after everything is done and things do a time skip with an epilogue & stuff? Bad End. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 06:24 AM Post #325 |
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*Facepalm* Apparently you've missed all the hints where Zuko is actually attracted to us; and that while we might not be attracted in the same sense, Zuko's probably in the same category that Ty Lee is; that is, he's ours. So yeah... |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 06:47 AM Post #326 |
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And that's the worst possible reason you could have thought of. Basically it's "I don't like a potential way the quest can go. So I make a terrible (IC) choice that will only have an observable effect if the quest goes in the direction I don't like, and that will ruin the quest for people who would otherwise still enjoy it. Because if I can't enjoy it, nobody should." This is how it sounds, at least. |
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| WizardOne | Feb 8 2013, 06:50 AM Post #327 |
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So, red butterfly is like, crazy and evil, but at the same time, somewhat capable of rationality and bargaining. What are our chances if we say 'yes, you can have a body, so long as you swear loyalty and xyz extra conditions to us'. I mean, she wants a body really badly, but if she's not really bothered by human morals and wants and needs, would it really bother her if we kept her on a leash like a chained attack dog? Offer her all the servants/prisoners for sex/experiments that she wants? I dunno. Having an embodied spirit sworn to do what we say sound useful. If we could get it to fly. Edited by WizardOne, Feb 8 2013, 06:51 AM.
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| GoC | Feb 8 2013, 06:50 AM Post #328 |
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This looks good. Though I also like the eating thing... Hmm... Aaron Peori: There's nothing wrong with dragons inbreeding. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 06:53 AM Post #329 |
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Eating her complicates matters by having us become part spirit, which can bite us in the ass once we leave. I don't want us to have to deal with the sages throwing salt in our face and having it burn. |
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| Adam Kardamon | Feb 8 2013, 06:54 AM Post #330 |
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Damn it! Where's the Like button? |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 06:59 AM Post #331 |
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Eating her causes psychological and physiological mutations. Long term and short term ones. Azula is most likely turning into a dragon as it is. Let's not complicate the matter further. |
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| Adam Kardamon | Feb 8 2013, 07:04 AM Post #332 |
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>_> I doubt we have the time to be negotiating. Really. Chibi's said that several times now. We can has out the details later. We have to get to Zuko. [x] DETAILS FOR LATER. EAT FAIRY NAO. |
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| EnderofWorlds | Feb 8 2013, 07:13 AM Post #333 |
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Fairy is atemporal and can send it's power to the past; we have some time to negotiate, at least enough to make a counteroffer before we fallback to OMNOMNOM! |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 07:14 AM Post #334 |
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nope.jpg Chibi said, that, as long as we don't cause a paradox, we can send the energy back in time. And he said the paradox stuff most likely to stop us from cheating by, for example, waiting to see, if Zuko survives on his own before sending the energy. Edited by Pipeman, Feb 8 2013, 07:15 AM.
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| GoC | Feb 8 2013, 07:24 AM Post #335 |
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Can we add some sort of "and give us more knowledge" to our deal? |
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| Dar | Feb 8 2013, 07:33 AM Post #336 |
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Hmm, making the counteroffer to allow it to present the opportunity to take our original deal to our descendants sounds good to me. Having it become our babby would pretty much demand the clauses: Not firstborn. Born as a twin. Obay mommy in all things. Protect twin/family for duration of contract. Termination of twin results in termination of contract. |
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| Megaolix | Feb 8 2013, 07:37 AM Post #337 |
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If we do take the deal, we should probably at least negotiate on the spirit's behavior, especially on the insane curiosity. No way any birth we give will stay in the dark and we probably don't want to announce to everyone we gave a spirit flesh. We'll also have to talk to Zuko about it. |
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| Pipeman | Feb 8 2013, 07:51 AM Post #338 |
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The birth itself is easy to keep secret. You just kill the witnesses, don't talk about it and everyone assumes it was stillborn. The real problem is that Navi would still stay around, due to our contract, trying to do her insane hedonism thing and people will put one and one together. Then the rumors will not be about a stillborn child, but about our child being a freak and us trying to keep it quiet. Hence, why, if we go for the birth thing, I believe we should go with the dragon plan. It gives us more plausible deniability about its origins and for its actions. |
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| Vorpal | Feb 8 2013, 07:52 AM Post #339 |
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| serapheus | Feb 8 2013, 07:55 AM Post #340 |
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Yeah, Hell no to giving Navi a body born of our own. The 'present opportunity to descendants' idea has my full support though...if we go with option 2. [X] Option 1 Eat da' fairy. ^U^ As a side note, this talk of eating fairies is making me have flash backs to Ubel Blatt. This is a good thing. :dance: |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 08:01 AM Post #341 |
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May I ask why you want to eat it and have the mutations / psychological long-term problems? We are already changing into a dragon or something. We don't need even more troubles on that front. |
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| serapheus | Feb 8 2013, 08:07 AM Post #342 |
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Possibly more power for us due to retaining bits of 'fire spirit' in our...spiritual makeup (whatever you want to call it). 'sides, it doesn't matter much, more people are voting for option 2 right now anyways. |
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| drake_azathoth | Feb 8 2013, 08:25 AM Post #343 |
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[X] Take the deal, but only if Navi goes with the body of a dragon rather than human. And as a dragon she can't take the form of a human |
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| WizardOne | Feb 8 2013, 08:34 AM Post #344 |
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I have a feeling this is going to go horribly wrong. |
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| Yog | Feb 8 2013, 08:40 AM Post #345 |
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Anything can go horribly wrong, at any time, as this whole situation suggests, really. But I feel relatively confident that with my offer as our initial standing and with fairy being able to send her power through time, we should be able to negotiate a good resolution (that doesn't involve fairy getting a body). |
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| Aranfan | Feb 8 2013, 08:50 AM Post #346 |
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[x] You are not getting to be in line for the throne. [x] Don't eat the fairy, use the external energy transfer option. [x] Rocket to the top of the mountain when ready, it seems like the fastest option. |
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| NSMS | Feb 8 2013, 08:55 AM Post #347 |
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Flying won't work- the rain will dampen our wings and rockets so much they'll take up huge amounts of extra power to keep going, and we're running on limited power as it is. Edited by NSMS, Feb 8 2013, 08:55 AM.
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| Earth-Destroyer | Feb 8 2013, 08:57 AM Post #348 |
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Edit.
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| Earth-Destroyer | Feb 8 2013, 08:57 AM Post #349 |
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I think take the child deal with these conditions [x] You will not create a body before my first born has reached adult-hood, and you will inform me of when you intend to create a body. [x] The body you craft, not be considered in line for the throne. [x] When I die, the body you will create will also expire permanently. [x] You my not harm for any reason those I consider close to me. [x] You will obey the laws of the Firenation. Should you break the laws of the Firenation, you will come before me, if for any reason I find the reason you have broken the Firenation laws inadequate your body will expire permanently. [x] Every five years, I will have the option to call you before me. For a review of your actions over the last five years. If I find you actions unacceptable your body will expire permanently [x] Your body will have a lifespan of only 10 years. I will have the option of granting you Additional years, at the review of your actions. Basically let her have the body, but make her continued inhabitance, depended on our approval. Edited by Earth-Destroyer, Feb 8 2013, 09:04 AM.
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| Megaolix | Feb 8 2013, 09:10 AM Post #350 |
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Oh goodie. Another SB came by to say the Azula thread quest would be watched more closely from now on. I guess that will make the move here permanent? Also, while I lack the time to do so right now, could someone index the snippets posted here so far for Chibi? Would be nice to have so in the first post that shows up in every page. |
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