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Season 5, Week 8: The New Zealand Story, MAME; romulan 'tnzs'
Topic Started: 5 Nov 2006, 12:03 PM (3,681 Views)
Elgin_McQueen
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Ah yeah, I see it now, lost 3 lives on that damned screen. Think I need to avoid warps and start building up points though.
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Got to heaven , made it to the top and i just got told theres another way out :-(

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Elgin_McQueen
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Any idea how I get this game to save my high scores?
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This is probably my last entry this week:

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Best just to ignore the warps if going for score.
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Elgin_McQueen
Nov 11 2006, 03:01 AM
Any idea how I get this game to save my high scores?

I noticed that after my first go, so I looked in the highscore.dat file, searched for "tnzs" and added a line for "tnzsj". It looks like this now:

tnzs:
tnzsb:
tnzsj:
0:e68d:23:00:55
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RS200
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vroom vroom !
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I think with a little more time I could be half-decent at this. I wasn't really looking forward to playing it as I have never really played the computer versions. Once I sussed out the whale though I am thinking this is quite a nice game!. Good Choice!.

Will try and get a few more hours in this weekend.



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stomach
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Just had a few games of this, used to like it on the Atari ST but not really enjoying it this time around.
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Despite the fact I haven't played this too much during the week, I do like this game even more now that I've played into it. The level design is what does it for me I think, as everything is so well planned and carefully thought out. The dilemma of using warps or not is also a nice thing - the fact that some of them are pretty useful, while others will see you missing out on a huge amount of points.

Perhaps I'll get a few more goes in before tomorrow, but it will take some going dragging me out of PES6 and now DotA which I've started playing again (http://www.dota-allstars.com/)
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happy days :) 627230
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necronom
Nov 11 2006, 11:39 AM
Elgin_McQueen
Nov 11 2006, 03:01 AM
Any idea how I get this game to save my high scores?

I noticed that after my first go, so I looked in the highscore.dat file, searched for "tnzs" and added a line for "tnzsj". It looks like this now:

tnzs:
tnzsb:
tnzsj:
0:e68d:23:00:55

Thanks working now.


This game can really piss me off sometimes. Randomly respawnig enemies in places where it's never done before. Especially if they start throwing the axe before they've even re-appeared properly.
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Congrats tk on finishing the game, very impressive!! :ph43r:
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tk421
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cheers stomthingy :) only used 2 warps to keep the score loss down , last boss is very easy , getting to him aint :(
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Only a small improvement for me, but this should be my last go.
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Antiriad2097
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Only a few hours left...

[size=1]Scores updated in first post[/size]
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Leezer
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hope this makes up for last weeks non entry (i forgot to post :angry: )


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Killing time until the changeover...

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Sorry Markopoloman.
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Time is up. Scores posted after this will not count towards league points.

[size=7]Congratulations Leezer[/size] :ph43r:

Leaderboard updated

Week 9 here
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stomach
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Once again Leezer comes in with a 'last minute' winning score, I know it is not against the rules but must be a bit annoying for guys like tk and kaiser who post there top scores all week, just to be pipped at the post at the final hurdle.

We can all forget to post our scores sometimes but Leezer seems to do this far too often. Just thought I would share this comment on a week when I came bottom, just to show it is not sour grapes on my part at being beaten by Leezer ;)
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It's normally BigDon's trick :lol:
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tk421
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Nov 12 2006, 11:04 AM
ahemmm,
746090 :P

hope this makes up for last weeks non entry (i forgot to post :angry: )

so how did you manage to get such a massive score only getting to level 3 ?
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stomach
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I was wondering the same thing, Leezer seems to be about 2 levels behind where Kaiserpc got to for instance yet has more than double his score!! <_<
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Elgin_McQueen
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Not suggesting anything but that faq I on gamefaqs telles you how to warp back and forth between 2 levels pretty much infinetely. Although I couldn't get it to work on my copy.
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yep noticed this on gamefaqs - an older rom lets you go between 2-1 and 1-4 as many times as you want. The version we were playing has got rid of this "bug".

And yes, the level I was on (3-4) appears to be much further into the game than Leezer got, and yet his score is much higher. I was also trying to get as much score from each level as the time limit would allow.
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tk421
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well its gonna be interesting to find out how he got the score without using the warp cheat
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From the Arabian Nights thread...

Leezer
Nov 12 2006, 08:28 PM
stomach
Nov 12 2006, 06:37 PM
Now, can you let us all know how you got such a big score in New Zealand story?

no

Why not?

If you have a legit score, there should be no reason to hide your tips from the rest of us. The game won't be played in the league again, but it could help those who enjoyed it fare better with their own games. There is no doubt you're a skilled gamer, you've proved it often enough without cheating.

I look forward to your response
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tk421
Nov 12 2006, 05:31 PM
well its gonna be interesting to find out how he got the score without using the warp cheat

Is it a cheat? If you don't have to enter any codes etc can it really be classed as a cheat. Maybe a little unsporting, but I don't think there is a rule against it (though haven't gone back to check).

Maybe there should be a sportsmanship addition to the rules that 'suggests' people don't exploit these kind of loopholes.
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Nov 13 2006, 08:27 AM
Maybe there should be a sportsmanship addition to the rules that 'suggests' people don't exploit these kind of loopholes.

It's already in there:
League Rules
 
Points whoring will be frowned upon. Some games allow you to amass huge amounts of points on certain levels. The Lurk Strategy in Asteroids is a good example of this, where you don't quite clear a level and simply hang around shooting saucers for evermore. The games should be played in the spirit intended. Exploitation of bonuses and suchlike is part of the game structure and is definitely allowed, that's what some games are all about. Whoring, though, is cheating.

Looping the same couple of levels over and over would obviously be considered under the above rule - it does not advance the game and serves only to amass points.

Leezer's score may be genuine. I really don't know. I'm not that good to judge against my own performance.

We have validated a score in the past, though not for Leezer or this game.

I may include an amendment to the rules next season - if 3 or more players challenge a score, a valid input file will be requested or the score nullified. 3 players seems reasonable (a couple of buddies could join forces to have a score cancelled - much less likely to have the duplicity of 3).
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I should have known that your rules would be robust :P

The 3 challenge rule sounds a good one. When you say valid input file, do you mean of that score, or just another run that gets within that ballpark? As I doubt any of us want to hve to record all their games.
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Elgin_McQueen
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Another score to within that ballpark figure, or evidence it could be achieved seems fair enough.
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stomach
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KaiserPC was saying that this loop (if it was used) is only available in another version of the game ( not the version we were supposed to be playing) so it would defintely be 'illegal'.
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Elgin_McQueen
Nov 13 2006, 09:07 AM
Another score to within that ballpark figure, or evidence it could be achieved seems fair enough.

This is what I'm thinking.

Probably less hassle for the regular top scorers just to record most of the time as a precaution against being asked for one.

Its always been in the rules that we could ask for this anyway.

Nice bit of evidence to have for those of us who don't usually score well too - I'd have liked a copy of my Space Harrier input just to see how it went. At the time it was all a blur. I was unconventionally high in the leaderboard that week, so it might have looked a bit suspect given I'm usually at the bottom.

They're also really handy to see how others play. Mr Do! is probably the prime example - there were a few inputs floating around for that when we played, to better explain tactics and scoring opportunities. I watched a few and they tackled the game in a completely different way from me.
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Leezer
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ok here is the inp file
i was using the japan version of the game as others were i think,
however as you will see in the inp file my score was leached by proper ways and NOT by looping levels.

go here to downoad the inp file:-
www.mameworld.net\highscore\tnzsj.zip

incidentally, just for the record as some of you will know i did the hiscore.dat for mame. this involves "breaking" into the game and searching for hiscore data,
it would be the easiest thing in the world for me to just find the location of any score in mame or any other emulated games and simply fuck with it,but i don`t
because i don`t consider myself cheat - just a leacher.
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Just a comment and not aimed at anyone but I think if you can walk up to the arcade machine, put your 10p in and rack up the same score on the same version then it counts.
If you exploit a weekness in the game then it should count, Ant reminded us of the Asteriods "bug" but even to pull that trick off you have to be good, destroying all the first level nearly and then destroying the UFO without being killed by the UFO or the last remaining rock..

If you use a cheat code, auto fire, poke, peek or any other kind of outside influance then it shouldn't count, thats just cheating.. I'm sure we are all aware of the various ways in which we could cheat in this weeks C64 game but if someone decides to exploit a "hole" left in the the game by design then its down to them.
Finding the weekness can be a skill in itself sometimes, taking a lot of time and effort to perfect.
I guess in the end it all comes down to how we play, I myself have to try and get as far into a game as possible and this sometimes means I score lower than I really should, leaving a level behind is more important to me than collecting all the goodies..
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I agree with everything Opa says, except that Ant has shown that it is in the rules not to Lurk (rightly or wrongly).

So I suppose the question is 'Is Leezer's leaching like lurking?'
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Leezer
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lets not foget there is a time limit to prevent over lurking
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opa-opa
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This is something I was getting at, it's impossible to remain on one level and just "leach" for hours on end, the game forces you to move at some point unless you change something in the actual game itself, which would be cheating, but squeezing the game dry of points that are available while avoiding death is just one way of playing video games.

That said the Rules are Rules and we all have agreed to play to them.
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Nov 13 2006, 06:54 PM
lets not foget there is a time limit to prevent over lurking

The was I look at it, if there's a rather strict time limit then it's ok as you run the risk of dying anyway.
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Thank you Leezer. Let's hope this is an end to any doubts with this one.

Its unfortunate you end up having these doubts thrown your way, but I do feel obliged to try and settle these matters where possible.

In some respects you do bring these things upon yourself somewhat, with the reclusive nature of your posts (one score per week, rarely any discussion). A simple explanation would have probably convinced the doubters and got them off your back.

No matter. You rightly claim your place as champion for this week :ph43r:
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Elgin_McQueen
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Think i'm gonna play more TNZS this week. It's actually fun.
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Elgin_McQueen
Nov 13 2006, 09:42 PM
Think i'm gonna play more TNZS this week. It's actually fun.

Straightjacket for Elgin :D
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Elgin_McQueen
Nov 13 2006, 07:01 PM
Leezer
Nov 13 2006, 06:54 PM
lets not foget there is a time limit to prevent over lurking

The was I look at it, if there's a rather strict time limit then it's ok as you run the risk of dying anyway.

Agreed!

I was doing this anyway with the replicating mini enemies - shooting them till I got the hurry up message. This was why I wondering how Leezer could get double my score, but still be 2 levels behind me.

I'll have a look at the .inp file to see how he manages to get soooo many points

The other point about NZS is that if you finish a level quickly you get bonus points anyway. So there's always a trade off between finishing the level early or getting the points by hanging around.

Think I'll get the DS version of this, once Retro Gamer review it.
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tk421
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not managed to get leezers inp file to work any one have any joy with it ?
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markopoloman
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Nope - winZip and ZipGenius will not open it :angry: :blink:
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tk421
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so any tips leezer how we can view this remarkable echievement ?
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I managed to get the file to run. I opened the Zip file and saved it to the folder called INP in the Mame folder. For some reason it didn't seem to save the file as an .inp file so I renamed it nzsj.inp. I then went into Mame32 and went into file-->playback input, selected the file and away it went. :D

Do I detect a hint of something there, tk? :o
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