Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Retroleague. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Season 5, Week 9: Tales of the Arabian Nights, C64; D64 'TALESOAN_07735_02'
Topic Started: 12 Nov 2006, 12:08 PM (3,596 Views)
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
SirClive
Nov 15 2006, 07:00 PM
Well at least I am not missing anything obvious.

I have got to give credit to Kaiser too. I absolutely hated this game at first and so did almost everyone else. But he stuck to his guns and helped people who were stuggling (like me) and now I am actually having fun. I prefer this to NZS.

cheers for that Sir Clive :D Makes me feel like helping out is worthwhile. Although now people are beating my score :(
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
[rant] oh by the way, don't you just hate Microsoft.

I use Firefox 2.0, I only use IE6 to post pictures in this forum (for some reason it doesn't work with Firefox). Anyway, I've got my XP set to download just critical downloads. So what does it download, yes, that's right the really critical program (not) IE7. But I don't want IE7, so I choose cancel and don't install it. Next thing XP decides to install it, and I've now got IE7 :angry:

To make matters worse, I'm playing Arabian Nights and have just got to level 6 with 3 lives left :) When up pops a window telling my updates are nearly complete and do I want to reboot. By the time I cancel this and make Vice the active window again I've lost all my lives [/rant]
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Elgin_McQueen
Member Avatar
King Hanafuda Sandcrab IV
opa-opa
Nov 15 2006, 07:16 PM
I dont like it, I want to like it but the random deaths leave me feeling cheated :angry:

That's what's holding me back, i'm starting to enjoy it a bit more but the birds and stuff are just too annoying.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SirClive
Member Avatar
Curious
Elgin_McQueen
Nov 15 2006, 07:46 PM
opa-opa
Nov 15 2006, 07:16 PM
I dont like it, I want to like it but the random deaths leave me feeling cheated  :angry:

That's what's holding me back, i'm starting to enjoy it a bit more but the birds and stuff are just too annoying.

night 3 is better because the ghost thing homes in, but slowly. So you can have a strategy to beat it. But the birds are just a piss take.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
opa-opa
Member Avatar
Steakhouse & Brewery
You can avoid the birds on the tree level by waiting on the ladder, much better than the birds on the first level.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
necronom
Member Avatar
Para(lytic)Droid
10,025

I thought Outzone was hard, but this takes the biscuit! Level 3 is probably the hardest level I've ever played on anything. It took forever to get past, then I died on the flying carpet level (and doubled my score), then lasted about 20 seconds on this one. I don't think I'll ever play this again.

Why do people make games this hard?

Posted Image


Kaiserpc
 
[rant] oh by the way, don't you just hate Microsoft.


Yes. Totally.

I use Opera, and that doesn't work with the built-in Invision crappy programmed picture upload feature either. It's been made to only work with the worst of the main browsers. :angry:

I just upload my pics to my webspace, then click the "IMG" button to add it from there.

Windows still can't multitask properly. When playing MAME, I sometimes get a background program popping up a window that flickers on and off over my game, and sometimes (but not always) brings the desktop to the front so I lose all my lives! Crap! Amigas could multitask properly 20 years ago!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SirClive
Member Avatar
Curious
17000

What a jip, after Night 9 the game ends, no fancy message or bells and whistles, just takes you to the high score table <_<
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
SirClive
Nov 15 2006, 09:05 PM
17000

What a jip, after Night 9 the game ends, no fancy message or bells and whistles, just takes you to the high score table <_<

Stuck on level 7 at the moment,

but I seem to remember when I finished this years ago, that there was a little end screen where it says you lived happily ever after, with the princess. Maybe this is a different version?? (I had the tape version on the c64)

well done on finishing it though .....


you can now give me some tips for level 7 ;)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
zaphod79
Member Avatar
Like 69, but bigger
12200

Ahhhh - so level 4 is where all the points are and is as hard as nails :-)

One thing i do like about the games of this era is once you learn what your doing / have a method for doing things on there you often get back to the same bits quite easily - I managed to get to level 3 on my first life this time :-)

Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SirClive
Member Avatar
Curious
Level 7 is quite easy in the layout and there are no dodgy birds.
The tricky bit is timing your jumps when the cannon fires and the barrell is coming at you. But watch out for the top platform. After the safe bit by the ladder you need to stay on the battlements, although the floor below looks solid, it isnt..
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
a.j.green
Member Avatar
Its not easy...
Agonisingly collected the last A on level 3 and got hit by a stray Z.

Aaaaaaaagh! :angry:

Congratulations on completing the game, Sir Clive! You might even win this round :)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SirClive
Member Avatar
Curious
Nah, Opa already has a better score. Looks like I lost my lives on the wrong levels!

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
yep, bit of a shame that OPA gets to level 5 and has a higher score than you, and you finished the game. This is nothing against OPA, as my current high score was taken from level 5 as well.

Maybe we should think about introducing an amendment to the scoring system for next season? If a game has levels, then you multiply your game level by your score. Might be a bit more complicated, but sounds fairer......

You say you finished the game after level 9 (I thought they're were only 8 levels :blink: ), anyway you would need to take a screenshot as you finished the game to prove you got to the end, then the scores would be;

your score would be 17000 * 9 = 153000,
and OPA's would be 17200 * 5 = 86000

incidentally my current high score is around 15700 * 5 = 78500
but I got to level 7 last night with a score of around 13500 * 7 = 94500

So I could post my lower score, to get a higher score, if you know what I mean :blink:

This might stop some of the (perfectly justified) leeching on games, like NZS.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sshblack
Member Avatar

Quote:
 
Maybe we should think about introducing an amendment to the scoring system for next season? If a game has levels, then you multiply your game level by your score. Might be a bit more complicated, but sounds fairer......


It sounds a good idea but I think Ant might have a coronary if he has any more suggestions to change his scoring system! :lol:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
but it won't change his scoring system, because you post your score * the level. So Ant just calculates the scores as per normal. Make sense?

I would have started a poll, but I couldn't see a poll option on this forum :(
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
markopoloman
Member Avatar
Bites
I can see your point Kaiser - but it could prove a little unfair and daunting to shit players like me (and Ant :lol: :P ).

Also, does that mean you just go hell for leather through a game to get to a high level? In say MrDo! I would end up wizzing around collecting cherries and not bothering with bonus fruits ect.

I would say I am not for it - but could be talked into it if the argument was good enough!


Leezer and his last second high score system is bloody annoying - but at the end of the day - it doesnt effect me at the bottom of the score sheet :o :huh:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
I think it would be a trade off between the 2. You might zoom to get to a further level, but if you took your time and got more points. You could still get as much of an overall total, if you were just a couple of levels behind.

for example;

I'm playing a game where a rush through to level 9, and my score is 50,000

my overall score would be 450,000

Now if I take my time, and get to level 7, but my score is 75,000

my overall score is 525,000

However, if I stay on level 2, and leech my score up to 200,000

my overall score is 400,000

Now with the current rules my leeching score is best, with the proposed rules my 2nd score is best. Not fool proof I know, but a little fairer IMHO :)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sshblack
Member Avatar

Now I get it Kaiser. yes sounds a fairer system and I would gladly back it.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
opa-opa
Member Avatar
Steakhouse & Brewery
Well I just finished the game with a higher score and a life left, the game just stoped, I took a pic and then there is an end screen that says you live happy after after etc etc...

I guess I could have whored that life seeing as I knew it was the end level and got a few extra points but to be honest I didn't want to play any longer than I did :D

I'll post a pic when I get home later... Not sure if I will bother loading this up again untill I have to do it for Weekend Gamer's League 5 feature..
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
necronom
Member Avatar
Para(lytic)Droid
I'd like some clarification on this whole leeching thing. It seems that Leezer hung around getting tons of points by staying on levels until the time was up (I haven't seen the input file, but that's the impression I'm getting). I have always thought that this was against the rules. In tapper people mentioned that it wasn't allowed, and several times in the past. The rules say this:

Quote:
 
Points whoring will be frowned upon. Some games allow you to amass huge amounts of points on certain levels. ...  The games should be played in the spirit intended. ...  Whoring, though, is cheating.


Because of this, I've never just stood about getting points. If it'd known that everyone thinks it's okay now I could have got a much higher score in TNZS and probably many more games we've played in the past (like Tapper level 1).
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
opa-opa
Member Avatar
Steakhouse & Brewery
NZS had a time limit, if you stayed for too long in one place then the game would force you to move on or take away a life (by killing you with the invincible dude) so leaching on NZS is impossible really, everyone has to abide by the same time limit, surely what you do with in that time limit is up to you and your statagy.

Tapper as well has a time limit of sorts, not only do the people become so fast it is impossible to serve them all but also on the lower levels you score lower, meaning if you hang around on level one for too long you will not be able to achieve a score as high as you would by reaching the later levels and you miss out on the bonus rounds..

I belive that amasing large amount of points before the time runs out on game like TNZS is playing the game in the spirit intended...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
well having played Tapper many many times, I know people were leeching scores, as some people were posting high scores while still on the 1st 2 levels. Okay you run the risk of getting killed cause it goes so fast, but I was getting through to level 6 and still having a lower score. This is why I was making the suggestion of combining levels as a mulitplier.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
opa-opa
Member Avatar
Steakhouse & Brewery
but there has to be a balance, if you rush through all the levels like a nutter and dont achive a good score it's because of the way you play (everyone, not aimed at anyone person here), not because other people who have a better understanding of how the game works are "leaching"..

Playing for scores would become unimportant as players rush to get to the highest level they can without really taking time to play the levels or understand how to achive the larger scores and play the game as intended.. It would also mean that when we play a game with warp zones (Mario, Gaunlet etc) it would become a race to see who could find the highest warpzone, regardless of how well you score up to that point..?

I like the way the league works, I think it is fair and just and we all get along so helping each other is not a problem, I could get a higher score on some games than I do by hanging around longer on a level but I like to see how far I can get into a game, thats not to say I don't try and get maximum points from each stage...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
a.j.green
Member Avatar
Its not easy...
To be fair to Opa, if you accidentally lost your lives near the end of the level, you then have to restart that level, and have the opportunity to collect all the points again. I think the game would be better if you didn't have to start again from scratch and it would be fairer scorewise, and that that is a fault of the game rather than any leaching by a player.

I think that what Leezer did was mostly perfectly acceptable for TNZS, as he was playing within the rules and not using bugs in the software, except for using the warp on level 2-1 to go back to level 1-3 (I think it was) which was due to a fault in the game design.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sureshot
Member Avatar
Test your might
Kaiserpc
Nov 16 2006, 04:26 PM
well having played Tapper many many times, I know people were leeching scores, as some people were posting high scores while still on the 1st 2 levels. Okay you run the risk of getting killed cause it goes so fast, but I was getting through to level 6 and still having a lower score. This is why I was making the suggestion of combining levels as a mulitplier.

Some games are pretty annoying for this. Remember Ghouls 'n' Ghosts? I beat you by 100 points that week despite getting 2 levels further in the game.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Elgin_McQueen
Member Avatar
King Hanafuda Sandcrab IV
It'a an idea I suppose, though in this instance since SirClive actually finished level 9 instead of dying on it he would have a multiplyer of 10.



The info is out there if someone for instance wants to take last seasons data, manipulate it, and see how easy it was and by how much it would affect the overall table.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
Sureshot
Nov 16 2006, 04:31 PM
Kaiserpc
Nov 16 2006, 04:26 PM
well having played Tapper many many times, I know people were leeching scores, as some people were posting high scores while still on the 1st 2 levels.  Okay you run the risk of getting killed cause it goes so fast, but I was getting through to level 6 and still having a lower score.  This is why I was making the suggestion of combining levels as a mulitplier.

Some games are pretty annoying for this. Remember Ghouls 'n' Ghosts? I beat you by 100 points that week despite getting 2 levels further in the game.

:D :lol: :D ach! you're not still going on about that old one are you ;)

seriously though, this is exactly my point
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
opa-opa
Member Avatar
Steakhouse & Brewery
21225

Posted Image

So here is my finishing score, as you can see I had a life left over so do I get any extra points for that..?


No.. Didn't think so.... ;)

I died once on the first carpet level, once on the battlements and then once on the last carpet level ( hidding under your lifes counter don't work so well with the birds.. :(
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SirClive
Member Avatar
Curious
I personally quite like the multiplier idea, but not for every game. Some games are more about what you do on a level than how far you get. The problem have with this one is that I am sure I wasn't that much worse than Opa on the shmup levels and had we both completed the game on 1 life I am sure our scores wouldn't have been that different. What is a little unfair in this game is that you can die fortuitously (i.e. at the end of a carpet level) and replay the level amassing a good score. Now I know Opa didn't do that but the game design has made it a little unfair.

Split Personalities/Splitting Images was the worst for me though. The game was level based much more than it was score based. In a game like that it should go on your level and only take the score in the case of a tie break (especially because of the dieing at the end of a level so you score a higher bonus problem).

But in terms of this game, Opa was better than me on more than one occasion as he has posted at least 2 higher scores, so I cannot have any issue with him being ahead of me. I still have time to try and beat him again, but I can't even get passed level 7 at the moment :(
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Antiriad2097
Member Avatar
League Co-Ordinator
I miss a morning (had to go to work early) and there's a huge debate...

I'm not keen to add a level multiplier. As has been proven in the past, its entirely possible to get to a higher level, but score lower than someone else. In my opinion, that's because you didn't play as well as the lower level person. You may have got further, but they are the better player, exploiting the game's bonuses and secrets and/or taking out more enemies.

The League has always been about points, not progression, though progression is a requirement.

As it stands, the current scoring system gives a good overall spread of league points for everyone who plays, regardless of how well they do. It takes into account overall score for the game, how many people were competing and your final position in the leaderboard for the week. It may not mean much to the top players, but it does help to stop alienating the lower scorers (like me).

I'm contemplating a 'half season' through the Dec/Jan holiday period after this season ends. If enough people want to add the level multiplier, we could maybe give it a test run then. I might even run the two systems side by side to see how the results compare. Yet another spreadsheet to knock up...

[size=1]Scores updated in first post[/size]
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SirClive
Member Avatar
Curious
Antiriad2097
Nov 16 2006, 06:14 PM
As has been proven in the past, its entirely possible to get to a higher level, but score lower than someone else. In my opinion, that's because you didn't play as well as the lower level person. You may have got further, but they are the better player, exploiting the game's bonuses and secrets and/or taking out more enemies.

I agree with almost everything you say.

The problem is when a game rewards you for dying. NZS and Tapper are 2 good examples of games that reward you for exploiting all the bonuses and multipliers. Whereas Split Personalities and Arabian Nights reward you for dying at the right time.

I don't have a problem with the leagues scoring system though and its swings and roundabouts anyway.

It would be interesting to run a dual score table for a mini season just to see how it works, but if it stays as it is then I will still be happy and play every week.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
opa-opa
Member Avatar
Steakhouse & Brewery
As I said in my post SirC, I did die on the carpet levels after getting quiet a way into them and had to do it all over again which has helped the score.
I also died on 7 when that bloody cannon and the barrel both come flying at you at once and had to do that level over again, but that did not really help my score, just frustrate me..!! :angry:

If you want to try running two scoring systems side by side I'm more than willing to join in and help out..
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Antiriad2097
Member Avatar
League Co-Ordinator
SirClive
Nov 16 2006, 07:25 PM
The problem is when a game rewards you for dying. NZS and Tapper are 2 good examples of games that reward you for exploiting all the bonuses and multipliers. Whereas Split Personalities and Arabian Nights reward you for dying at the right time.

I think overall, most games will reward you for strategic deaths. So many of them will have level timers that can be paid out to the max if you die just before finishing, or where you can replay huge easy sections again for big points. To some extent, sacrificial playing is a legit strategy even for world record holders. Leeching points where there is a risk is fair enough. Leeching in an infinite level isn't.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SirClive
Member Avatar
Curious
So lurking in Asteroids is OK?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
opa-opa
Member Avatar
Steakhouse & Brewery
No

That would be infinite leaching, no timer to stop you from doing it for the whole week if you could....
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SirClive
Member Avatar
Curious
opa-opa
Nov 16 2006, 06:41 PM
No

That would be infinite leaching, no timer to stop you from doing it for the whole week if you could....

Yes, I have just read back and I have misunderstood Ant's post.

I am not sure that dying at the right time makes you a better player and in Arabian nights Opa didn't deliberately die at the right time. It was just lucky ;)

But I want to make it clear that Opa IS a better player than me and DOES deserve to be higher (even with his earlier score from level 7). This is just an example of a game that was designed to be one player and not competed in a league (though was still really good fun in the end).
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Leezer
Member Avatar
Leecher more like
16675

funny thats the game finished (and me with a lot of hair torn out) did`nt see any congratulations message or owt - jus hiscore table
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Leezer
Member Avatar
Leecher more like
about this scoring system, the only really fair way as i see it, is to have say a top score regardless as to what it is posted, say 30 points, 28 for next highest score 26 for third place etc...

then if anyone gets a ridiculus score so much higher than anyone elses they dont push everyones score points down to 50 odd. tbh if any of MY games are chosen the second placed person would get 60 points if they were lucky,call that bragging if you like but my chosen ones like mappy i am world class at em not just good B)
Attached to this post:
Attachments: Image3.jpg (35.29 KB)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
opa-opa
Member Avatar
Steakhouse & Brewery
Leezer
Nov 16 2006, 07:15 PM
tbh if any of MY  games are chosen the  second placed person would get  60 points if they were lucky,call that bragging if you like but my chosen ones like mappy i am world class at em not just good  B)

You know what. I belive you... ;)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
stomach
Member Avatar
Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead
Leezer
Nov 16 2006, 07:15 PM
about this  scoring system, the only really fair way as i see it, is to have say a top score regardless as to what it is posted, say 30 points, 28 for next highest score 26 for third place etc...

then if anyone gets a ridiculus score so much higher than anyone elses they dont push everyones score points down to 50 odd. tbh if any of MY  games are chosen the  second placed person would get  60 points if they were lucky,call that bragging if you like but my chosen ones like mappy i am world class at em not just good  B)

You know what, I think your full of sh*t... B)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Leezer
Member Avatar
Leecher more like
stomach
Nov 16 2006, 08:06 PM
Leezer
Nov 16 2006, 07:15 PM
about this  scoring system, the only really fair way as i see it, is to have say a top score regardless as to what it is posted, say 30 points, 28 for next highest score 26 for third place etc...

then if anyone gets a ridiculus score so much higher than anyone elses they dont push everyones score points down to 50 odd. tbh if any of MY  games are chosen the  second placed person would get  60 points if they were lucky,call that bragging if you like but my chosen ones like mappy i am world class at em not just good  B)

You know what, I think your full of sh*t... B)

spoken like a true kiddy there. come to think of it it was you who was the little whining t**t who was 1st to accuse me of cheating on tnzs.

that last comment i made was a joke actually, maybe i should have said that so that under 10`s would see that :lol:

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
tk421
Member Avatar
Happy Days
21350 :ph43r:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
fairziff
Member Avatar

2700
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
fairziff
Member Avatar

Back in the day..............
If your name was top of the highscore table, you were the best player.
Simple as that.
No level multipliers were used in my local arcade :)
Attached to this post:
Attachments: arab2.jpg (16.78 KB)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Elgin_McQueen
Member Avatar
King Hanafuda Sandcrab IV
I congratulate everyone for geting high scores but i'm personally just not prepared to put myself through the hassle of doing this game any more. Maybe next week it'll be one I like. :unsure:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
stomach
Member Avatar
Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead
Leezer
Nov 16 2006, 08:37 PM
stomach
Nov 16 2006, 08:06 PM
Leezer
Nov 16 2006, 07:15 PM
about this  scoring system, the only really fair way as i see it, is to have say a top score regardless as to what it is posted, say 30 points, 28 for next highest score 26 for third place etc...

then if anyone gets a ridiculus score so much higher than anyone elses they dont push everyones score points down to 50 odd. tbh if any of MY  games are chosen the  second placed person would get  60 points if they were lucky,call that bragging if you like but my chosen ones like mappy i am world class at em not just good  B)

You know what, I think your full of sh*t... B)

spoken like a true kiddy there. come to think of it it was you who was the little whining t**t who was 1st to accuse me of cheating on tnzs.

that last comment i made was a joke actually, maybe i should have said that so that under 10`s would see that :lol:

I did not accuse you of cheating on tnzs Leezer, I just said you wait until the last minute and then post your first score at a time when people do not have a chance to beat it, please see my quote below :-

"Once again Leezer comes in with a 'last minute' winning score, I know it is not against the rules but must be a bit annoying for guys like tk and kaiser who post there top scores all week, just to be pipped at the post at the final hurdle.

We can all forget to post our scores sometimes but Leezer seems to do this far too often. Just thought I would share this comment on a week when I came bottom, just to show it is not sour grapes on my part at being beaten by Leezer"



I don't think there is need for name calling, surely that is the mentally of a kiddy as you say.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
merman
Member Avatar
Retro Survival Ed
Whatever. This is supposed to be FUN (even if people pick annoying games like Tales of the Arabian Nights... :P )


PLAY IN THE SPIRIT OF THE LEAGUE, try to get as far as you can and get the high score.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Elgin_McQueen
Member Avatar
King Hanafuda Sandcrab IV
merman
Nov 17 2006, 12:13 AM
Whatever. This is supposed to be FUN (even if people pick annoying games like Tales of the Arabian Nights... :P )


PLAY IN THE SPIRIT OF THE LEAGUE, try to get as far as you can and get the high score.

Exactly, no arguments, no name calling, no anything but having a good time trying to get the top score. Then doing the same next week.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
Finally finished it, and then promptly finished twice after this. Once you've worked out a way to finish each level it's not too difficult to finish it each time
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiserpc
Member Avatar
Not Going on holiday. Again.
19425
Attached to this post:
Attachments: arab10.png (17.92 KB)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DealsFor.me - The best sales, coupons, and discounts for you
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Season 5 · Next Topic »
Add Reply