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| Season 9: Week 1 - Phoenix (MAME); Rom: phoenix.zip (Amstar Ver.) | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 28 2007, 12:00 PM (1,408 Views) | |
| RS200 | Oct 28 2007, 12:00 PM Post #1 |
vroom vroom !
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Ladies and Gentlemen ... First, may I welcome you to a new season ...  Now - get those trigger fingers working cuz on this 1st week we have both Robinfriday's and Sleeper77's nomination of Phoenix. I have choosen that we play the Amstar Version as this was the first version emulated via MAME. Phoenix KLOV Page  Tips: * When you start the game, your fighter will be in the middle at the bottom of the screen. You will see a formation of enemy fighters at the top of the screen. This is the beginning of wave 1. A quick note about the shield. It lasts a couple of seconds and takes about five seconds to regenerate again. WAVES 1 AND 2 : 1) You will usually be attacked by multiple fighters at any one time. The movements of these fighters is pretty random. 2) In addition to dropping bombs on your fighter, Phoenix fighters also tend to try to ram your fighter. 3) After you clear out a few fighters, they will reassemble at the top of the screen. They will then move in synch with each other as they creep to the bottom of the screen. 4) Sometimes a Phoenix fighter will hover right above your ship. If you're quick, you can get off a quick shot and move away before a bomb can be dropped on you. 5) If multiple Phoenix fighters are at your level, use the shield to clear a path through them. WAVE 3 AND 4 : 1) The Phoenixes in wave 3 enter the screen in a zig-zag pattern while the Phoenixes in wave 4 arrive in a cross-over pattern of four Phoenixes per side. 2) Once they get large, they start to do erratic zig-zag patterns across the screen. At the same time, they are dropping bombs toward your fighter. Your goal is to shoot off their wings. If you do this, it forces them to go straight down until the wing regenerates. They will still be dropping bombs, but at least they will be going straight down. 3) If at all possible, try to hit the Phoenixes when they are close to your ship. Doing this gets you more points. 4) In addition, try to shoot off both wings before destroying a Phoenix for more points. WAVE 5 : 1) Your goal on this wave is to cut through the hull and shield and take out the alien inside. 2) Start firing as rapidly as you can to quickly cut through the hull. It will take quite a few shots to get to the shield. 3) The shield rotates so you will have to hit it a lot of times in order to get a wide enough hole in it to hit the alien. 4) As all of this is going on, the Spacefortress is continually descending upon your ship. In addition, the escorts are constantly harassing you. 5) A good strategy is that once you have cut a path through the hull and shield, wait for the Spacefortress to be almost on top of your ship. When you take out the alien, you will get a lot more points. 6) Destroying the escorts does not end this wave. Once you complete wave 5, the cycle begins anew. * During the game three birds will attack all in a line. Let those birds fly all the way to the bottom and start to fly back up. As they are flying up, shoot all three in a row real quick (2 or 3 seconds) and you score will elevates your score to 204,000 regardless of what your current score is - The best way to get this bonus for shooting the three birds in a line is on the second stage of level 2. The blue and pink birds in an oval shape. Just wait, not firing at the bottom of the screen. A single bird will come down, fanny around and then fly back up, then 4 birds will fly down together in a line. When they start to fly back up - blast three of them for the bonus. It works best here because of the rapid fire allowed on this and every other 2nd stage. In addition, accomplishing the trick a second time again puts your score at 204,000, even if your score was higher. As always, no autofire or cheats of any kind. 1) Leezer = 100.00 points 2) Robinfriday = 91.61 points 3) LeFosse = 77.55 points 4) Zaphod79 = 62.97 points 5) TK421 = 57.42 points 6) TodayisForgotten = 51.40 points 7) Supermario = 48.24 points 8) Sputryk = 43.20 points 9) A.J Green = 39.95 points 10) Merman = 37.12 points 11) Fairziff = 33.71 points 12) Sureshot = 31.02 points 13) Antiriad2097 = 27.76 points 14) RS200 = 24.87 points 15) Baldyman666 = 22.19 points 16) necronom = 18.49 points 17) Markopoloman = 15.94 points 18) Smurph = 12.49 points 19) Paranoid marvin = 9.18 points 20) Titch = 5.97 points |
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| necronom | Oct 28 2007, 12:27 PM Post #2 |
Para(lytic)Droid
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5,480 |
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| supermario | Oct 28 2007, 01:06 PM Post #3 |
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Can't get that 200K bonus at all
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| zaphod79 | Oct 28 2007, 03:18 PM Post #4 |
Like 69, but bigger
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I think thats only available on certain rom revisions - it might not be possible on this one. Edit ** I've tried it a few times and cant get it to trigger (although theres a bit of luck in getting it) - best screens to try it on are the 2nd time round either 2nd screen or boss level. |
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| markopoloman | Oct 28 2007, 04:18 PM Post #5 |
Bites
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Ooooh! I like this game
 still going to be a crap score though
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| robinfriday | Oct 28 2007, 04:34 PM Post #6 |
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 I have never got that bonus before! Thanks for pointing it out i didnt get it this time. 20,070 |
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| zaphod79 | Oct 28 2007, 11:49 PM Post #7 |
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Like 69, but bigger
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3rd time round - second level : 26090  |
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| robinfriday | Oct 29 2007, 12:36 AM Post #8 |
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 47,710 6th time round got killed by the big baddy |
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| baldyman666 | Oct 29 2007, 12:46 AM Post #9 |
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never a strong point this one im afraid 9160  |
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| Sureshot | Oct 29 2007, 02:31 AM Post #10 |
Test your might
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Quite like this game, but the collision detection is fucking awful. |
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| baldyman666 | Oct 29 2007, 02:44 AM Post #11 |
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it has collision detection??? ah, now i thought that was the inbuilt difficulty level! 
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| TodayIsForgotten | Oct 29 2007, 05:32 AM Post #12 |
Chris
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anyone know what the relation of this game is to Exerion? The birds are EXACTLY the same. They may not look it in the pictures, but in game same exact thing. They fire the same too, only in Phoenix they fire faster.  |
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| robinfriday | Oct 29 2007, 01:55 PM Post #13 |
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Im not sure mate ive never played Exerion before. But looking things up Phoenix was licensed to Taito in Japan and Exerion was licensed to Taito in the US. |
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| a.j.green | Oct 29 2007, 04:15 PM Post #14 |
Its not easy...
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First couple of goes: 8490  Scored updated
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| merman | Oct 29 2007, 05:20 PM Post #15 |
Retro Survival Ed
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We played Exerion in the Llamasoft Llegaue recently, a nice game. Not sure of the relationship - same creator/designer? |
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| markopoloman | Oct 29 2007, 09:28 PM Post #16 |
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Bites
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 bloody hard! 7570
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| Smurph | Oct 30 2007, 02:55 AM Post #17 |
Not Blue
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Wow, that was quick. Normally there's a bigger gap between seasons, but... I shall be back soon...
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| LeFosse | Oct 30 2007, 02:21 PM Post #18 |
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Will the 204,000 point bonus be allowed? I've just checked an .inp at MARP and it should be possible to get the bonus with this rom. Personally, I'm not in favour of it since I hate these kinds of silly bonuses. I'd like to know what everyone's position is though, since if it is allowed I'll try to figure out how to get the bonus before I actually start playing the game. |
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| a.j.green | Oct 30 2007, 03:54 PM Post #19 |
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It seems a strange sort of bonus. Seems to me like it might be some sort of bug? Surely if it was a feature, they would choose a round figure. 204000 seems a very strange number if it were deliberate. |
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| LeFosse | Oct 30 2007, 04:02 PM Post #20 |
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Yeah, it's also not really a bonus since it basically replaces the score you had before getting it. Doesn't seem like an intended feature in any way. I'd say it's a bug for sure. |
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| robinfriday | Oct 30 2007, 04:18 PM Post #21 |
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 56,230 7 times round (still havent managed that bonus!) Another tip is to do as much damage to the yellow area of the mothership as when you kill the alien inside it seems to give more points! |
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| merman | Oct 30 2007, 04:30 PM Post #22 |
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Retro Survival Ed
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Our usual rule is that bugs/exploits of this sort are DISALLOWED. |
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| Leezer | Oct 30 2007, 06:14 PM Post #23 |
Leecher more like
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bugger, er... i wrapped it round 13 times for this score.....honest...  actually this particular bug is not a bug but a documented easter egg, hence it should be exploited. |
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| supermario | Oct 30 2007, 07:00 PM Post #24 |
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16,880
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| Sputryk | Oct 30 2007, 08:16 PM Post #25 |
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7620 Oh, well. I'm on the scoreboard at least. |
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| paranoid marvin | Oct 30 2007, 10:29 PM Post #26 |
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This game seems to be harder than I remember - is this version a difficult one , or am I just crapper tham I used to be?
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| merman | Oct 30 2007, 11:55 PM Post #27 |
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Retro Survival Ed
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8230 Leezer, to me it is not playing in the spirit of competition if you use something like that to get such a high score. Of course, we could always invoke the rule about showing an INP file to demonstrate that you really did score that many points... |
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| a.j.green | Oct 31 2007, 12:35 PM Post #28 |
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Its not easy...
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9870 Scored updated. I have not included Leezers score yet, as I think the moderators should decide whether the score is acceptable or not.
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| Sputryk | Oct 31 2007, 01:52 PM Post #29 |
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I don't see the math adding up, either, with that huge score. If we take Robin's latest post, 7x amounts to approx 56k. This is over half of the distance covered by Leez and yet amounts to only a quarter of the score. There is only a limited scope for points scoring, even allowing for 3 hits to a Big Bird and clearling the majority of the Mother Ship's hull. I've never been one for questioning anyones ability (after all, we've had Fraser, there's Today, LeFosse and Destructor who all appear more adept than us long-termers in the League on a consistent basis) but this time... Soz, Leez, but I think you need to provide evidence. Perhaps a score of just under 200k would be sufficient, everyone? After all, repeating the 'trick' if you have already scored in excess of 204k merely resets your score to 204k - the score cannot be reduced further!
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| a.j.green | Oct 31 2007, 04:18 PM Post #30 |
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10640 Slight improvement, got killed on the first screen, third time round. I agree that it does seem harder than it did all those years ago 
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| Leezer | Oct 31 2007, 05:07 PM Post #31 |
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Leecher more like
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ok so i "exploited" a documented easter egg, no not a bug that you all know about and have tried to get,and have to have that score deleted. so what happens if someone accidently gets the bonus ? is that score ditched as well ? like i`ve said times before the scoring system is flawed it should be points for 1st place 1 less for second etc... then maybe no-one would bitch when someone who is miles better than anyone else at a game gets stupid scores and 100 points and everyone else gets crap points. |
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| tk421 | Oct 31 2007, 07:22 PM Post #32 |
Happy Days
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so what happens if someone accidently gets the bonus ? is that score ditched as well ? good point |
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| Sputryk | Oct 31 2007, 09:37 PM Post #33 |
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9770 Annoyed. Could be my last attempt this week. Harumpf! |
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| fairziff | Oct 31 2007, 09:49 PM Post #34 |
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6130 Great to see an absolute classic selected. Great choice.
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| TodayIsForgotten | Oct 31 2007, 10:20 PM Post #35 |
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i dont see my score on the boards: 17720 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Sil...ii/phoe0000.png
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| TodayIsForgotten | Oct 31 2007, 10:21 PM Post #36 |
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i dont see my score on the boards: 17720
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| a.j.green | Oct 31 2007, 10:34 PM Post #37 |
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Its not easy...
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Sorry about that, I thought the screenshots were there to show the similarities between the two games, didn't realise that it was an entry. Will put it on the board at the next update. |
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| RS200 | Oct 31 2007, 10:49 PM Post #38 |
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vroom vroom !
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hmmmm ... it's a very interesting debate this. The reason why I put it in the tips section in the first place was make people aware that this "exploit" exists and really to put people on a level playing field (as I know a lot of us go hunting the interweb for tips etc when a new game is drawn). I think we have to take it on a game by game basis, But I do think that this exploit should NOT be allowed though ... kudos to you for actually getting it though, I *never* seen anyone get it apart from watching INP's! I think this exploit is nigh on impossible to get by accident isn't it? .. I have played Phoenix a billion or so times and never got it. As for the scoring system, we know this system is not foolproof but it the best one so far and one which is used week in, week out in other leagues. I'm sure the other mod and Admins would agree. |
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| Smurph | Oct 31 2007, 11:26 PM Post #39 |
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Not Blue
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Oh dear... I appear to be awful at this: 6360 
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| merman | Nov 1 2007, 11:55 AM Post #40 |
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Retro Survival Ed
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Any score involving the exploit is invalid for the competition. That's how we've always done it. |
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| a.j.green | Nov 1 2007, 04:03 PM Post #41 |
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Its not easy...
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Na, you're not awful at this - the game is very tough to get a decent score - only 4 scores to date with over 11,000 points, and a lot of the scores are close together. Scores updated
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| necronom | Nov 1 2007, 07:28 PM Post #42 |
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Para(lytic)Droid
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7,630 |
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| a.j.green | Nov 1 2007, 10:47 PM Post #43 |
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Its not easy...
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Another marginal improvement 11340 
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| a.j.green | Nov 2 2007, 01:16 PM Post #44 |
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Its not easy...
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Another marginal improvement 12690  Scores updated |
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| Sputryk | Nov 2 2007, 08:40 PM Post #45 |
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13640 Grrr..., those annoying Big Blues! Still, could be worse. |
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| merman | Nov 2 2007, 11:46 PM Post #46 |
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Retro Survival Ed
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Leezer, you have 36 hours to post a qualifying score... This is better for me, but some way behind what I usually do: 12260
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| paranoid marvin | Nov 3 2007, 11:43 AM Post #47 |
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Just read instructions , and remembered there's a SHIELD! D'oh! 53330 got zero points for destroying mothership? And it was right on top of me! 
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| zaphod79 | Nov 3 2007, 12:30 PM Post #48 |
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Like 69, but bigger
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You get around 9000 points for letting it get right down and shooting it after knocking out all of the layers above I also remember high scores for clearing a single channel of the orange stuff and one single block of the purple to shoot through |
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| supermario | Nov 3 2007, 04:36 PM Post #49 |
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I've got 0 points for the mother(*****) ship a few times as well. I think it's to do with using your shield on that level but not 100% sure. |
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| titch | Nov 3 2007, 05:52 PM Post #50 |
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 Thought i'd better get a score in
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