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Portrait Chuck E. & Crusty Restoration
Topic Started: Oct 23 2014, 02:26 PM (20,681 Views)
VegaNova
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I've been wanting to restore these guys but haven't made too much progress until recently. Had time off work a few weeks back so I was able to build a shelf for them and they now live in my living room. Our old house had a basement that was fairly climate controlled but the new house only has a garage - so I had to get them inside before it gets cold. But now that they're inside I want to get them restored even more.

I've gotten Chuck's arms reattached (they were detached at the elbow, torn apart inside from sometime in the past) and had a new shirt made for Crusty. I still need to give Chuck his missing teeth and bow tie, and Crusty needs the design placed on his shirt. Would also like to give them a better cleaning. I also need to get some material placed behind them - right now I only have some cardboard covering the window behind them so they don't get sunlight damage.

Still have Chuck's portrait frame in storage. Later on once I'm able to put them into a permanent display I'll get Chuck back in his frame and will try to have it replicated so Crusty can have his as well.

This is the progress so far. I'll post more photos in this thread as things move along :)

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Mr. Ruxpin
May 6 2016, 07:55 AM
Retro Trash
Jan 19 2016, 11:03 PM
CEC AR
Jan 19 2016, 10:47 PM
It's just that when you have something that nobody has ever seen in action, and you have the capability to make them move and let people see for the first time, you should do it! They were made to perform! The latex is made for a moving object. It can handle it.
This guy right here. THANK YOU! :D
I kind of have to agree. The latex is worth something, but can't they be restored?
Here's the thing, those parts are over 30 years old, odds are they aren't in great condition. If a part broke while the animatronics are attempting to move the restorer would need to replace it. These parts are extremely rare and probably not manucfactured anymore. It would cost a ton of money, maybe more so than making one from scratch. And do you really want to risk breaking the last two remaining Portrait bots?

As for the latex, yes, latex is meant to move, BUT only when it is first made. After a few years it begins to deteriorate (like most things) and become brittle. New latex masks would need to be made, which leads to problem number two: THERE ARE NO MOLDS! You would need to make a mold from scratch.

I'm sure you're going to ask, well why can't they just harden the old latex and make a mask? This is because the mold and cast it produces will be smaller than the original and may not fit the bots. When a mold and cast is made from an original sculpture, the shrinkage is mostly minimal, but if you cast a cast (a recast) you will get a much more shrinkage.

Well, why can't they sculpt a new face? This would take more time and effort than it's worth. They'd have to make a face that matches the exact dimensions of the Cyberamic, have it look like Chuck E and Crusty, make molds, cast the latex, and hope it fits. This is why many retrofits are recolors or repainted versions of pre-existing masks. Your best fitting face is from the original sculpt.

And finally, guys, this is their restoration project. They OWN these and they will do whatever they want to do with them. It is their decision, not yours. They have decided to not run them and you have to live with that. You will not convince them by constantly arguing with them. Let it go. :-/
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Brian the Helenman
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Travis should make plaster molds of Chuck and Crusty's hands and faces.
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Cavity Sam
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Brian the Helenman
May 23 2016, 03:05 PM
Travis should make plaster molds of Chuck and Crusty's hands and faces.
It's not that easy. With latex this old pulling the fur off will destroy the masks.
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Brian the Helenman
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Throw out the masks afterwards, then.
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Cavity Sam
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Brian the Helenman
May 23 2016, 05:42 PM
Throw out the masks afterwards, then.
The masks won't even be able to be molded because they'll be torn apart lol.
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pttraefan2
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I was thinking, fill it with foam, freeze it, cover it with plaster, heat it up and remove the old. And make a new mask. Paint it
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masterpj
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Please do not try to remove the latex or provoke the owner to try to make it move! Something like this should be preserved not lost! Treasure the originals!

Idea instead of even trying to destroy something this fragile:
Build a DIY laser scanner (maybe something using an old free version of david laser scanner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK5eYhpBtQc)
or we could chip in to have the owner be able to lend a handheld 3D scanner: http://www.creaform3d.com/en/metrology-solutions/portable-3d-scanner-handyscan-3d
(If the owner of the animatronics is willing).
I'm sure there are online or local rental companies who'd lend out stuff like this at a cost we could help out with as a community.

That way nothing needs to be removed.. the 3D model can be cleaned up and corrected for errors. The relevant parts we want to mold can be cut out of the model and then it can be 3D printed in cleverly sliced pieces. Glueing the pieces together and applying primer and filler many times and wet sending will ensure a smooth pieces! Then a new mold can be made without shrinkage and even having to touch the mask!

Print in PLA to reduce/prevent shrinkage of anything and reliable printing of big parts!

I'd be more then willing to help! It could be a good thing to do as a "backup" incase the worst happens throughout the years!


Here is an example of a 3D print that I smoothened by hand. I made sure it was 3D printable using 3ds max: Posted Image
This print is rather large and this head should be do-able and affordable too through a service like 3dhubs with proper negotation at a 0.3~0.4micron layer height

If you are building a DIY 3D laser scanner I'd be more willing to help with anything laser related! I got a solid background in laser.

Another option is to request more pictures from more angles and use software to try and figure out the geometry! It will not be reliable though but at least it provides an option for someone skilled to attempt a resculpt.
Here is the software for the latter: http://www.123dapp.com/catch

If you carefully move the table you can walk around the entire animatronic and snap tons of pictures for the software to attempt to reconstruct it to a 3D model! The only thing would be exact scale! Putting something as a size reference next to it would do the job though! The model can be rescaled.
Edited by masterpj, May 30 2016, 04:59 AM.
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CEC Joplin
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*bump* Any updates?
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Figment.InsideOut.Ruxpin.Fan
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It honestly irritates me to see how uneducated some of these people are about old electronics. Good grief! Think, it's common sense! Something This Old and historical should ONLY be put out for display purposes only! Be happy that this guy rescued these and atleast has them for display. Don't force him to run them, it will only put these bots at risk of being damaged, and thus losing a very important part of CEC's PTT history.

The only solution I can ever think of to perhaps see these type of animatronics in action, is perhaps... IF the documents are still around and if people that worked at the former PTT headquarters have any particular knowledge of how these were made...... Perhaps someone, using whatever documents, blueprint, references, materials, and parts they have can recreate these on their own. Yes, it would be very time consuming and very expensive, but I think that's the only way. However, again, these original bots CANNOT be used in any circumstances.

And if I remember right... If the early showtapes are played on the Balcony Stage bots, they animate properly with the tapes still right? That's more reference that can be used. Considering how these bots were made, I'd assume they move pretty much the same way as the cyberamics did, just with latex cosmetics. Most likely they switched to whatever other material the other cyberamics used, not only because it was more efficient, but probably because it was cheaper to produce. But yeah, anyway, just figured I'd give my few cents on this.
Edited by Figment.InsideOut.Ruxpin.Fan, Jul 28 2016, 06:56 AM.
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Mr. Ruxpin
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Figment.InsideOut.Ruxpin.Fan
Jul 28 2016, 06:43 AM
It honestly irritates me to see how uneducated some of these people are about old electronics. Good grief! Think, it's common sense! Something This Old and historical should ONLY be put out for display purposes only! Be happy that this guy rescued these and atleast has them for display. Don't force him to run them, it will only put these bots at risk of being damaged, and thus losing a very important part of CEC's PTT history.

The only solution I can ever think of to perhaps see these type of animatronics in action, is perhaps... IF the documents are still around and if people that worked at the former PTT headquarters have any particular knowledge of how these were made...... Perhaps someone, using whatever documents, blueprint, references, materials, and parts they have can recreate these on their own. Yes, it would be very time consuming and very expensive, but I think that's the only way. However, again, these original bots CANNOT be used in any circumstances.

And if I remember right... If the early showtapes are played on the Balcony Stage bots, they animate properly with the tapes still right? That's more reference that can be used. Considering how these bots were made, I'd assume they move pretty much the same way as the cyberamics did, just with latex cosmetics. Most likely they switched to whatever other material the other cyberamics used, not only because it was more efficient, but probably because it was cheaper to produce. But yeah, anyway, just figured I'd give my few cents on this.
I'm completely educated, thank you!
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HarmJasp1981
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Hey, Travis! I know that you've been busy with your family lately, but are there any updates on the guys?
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AD Machine
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I'm just wondering one thing: If Crusty's shirt needed to be put on, hoe did he so it without taking off cosmetics and damaging them?
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Oct 30 2016, 02:27 PM
I'm just wondering one thing: If Crusty's shirt needed to be put on, hoe did he so it without taking off cosmetics and damaging them?
The shirt probably velcroed along the back, or something to that effect. No cosmetics would have to be removed, as he's covered in black fur beneath.

I personally wonder if they have a back; I always imaged these bots were mostly only front figures, what with their construction and use.
Edited by bubblebabybumblebee, Oct 30 2016, 05:43 PM.
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CECArizona
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Have you found Chuck a cigar or bow tie yet?
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AD Machine
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bubblebabybumblebee
Oct 30 2016, 05:41 PM
AD Machine
Oct 30 2016, 02:27 PM
I'm just wondering one thing: If Crusty's shirt needed to be put on, hoe did he so it without taking off cosmetics and damaging them?
The shirt probably velcroed along the back, or something to that effect. No cosmetics would have to be removed, as he's covered in black fur beneath.

I personally wonder if they have a back; I always imaged these bots were mostly only front figures, what with their construction and use.
These are 2nd generation bots, so they're 3D. First Gen were 2D
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DA FABULOUS WOLF PACK 5! Cause the wolfman said so, and you don't argue with the wolfman.
Any Updates?
...I'm Kind of Starting To Want To Make A Crusty Replica....
Maybe Through 3D Printing! Actually, If We Find Out What Crusty's Movements Are, We Might Be Able To Build A Replica That Works Like The Original, But The Real Portrait Bot Is Not Being Damaged At All!............hopefully
Edited by Wolfpack5fan, Mar 1 2017, 10:14 PM.
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HarmJasp1981
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Say, Travis, since you're (supposedly) quitting the fandom, will you be getting rid of the guys? I'd be happy to take them under my wing! :cecwink:
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CEC Indiana
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Mar 31 2017, 07:20 PM
Say, Travis, since you're (supposedly) quitting the fandom, will you be getting rid of the guys? I'd be happy to take them under my wing! :cecwink:
Its probably just an April Fools joke.
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DA FABULOUS WOLF PACK 5! Cause the wolfman said so, and you don't argue with the wolfman.
yeah, he wouldn't just do that after all this.
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